too many chiefs

[Craig_R]

Is it just me or is every other post on this entire board all about what other people should do or not do, say or not say, wear or not wear, think or not think.

I've had it. Everyone is so worried that If someone somewhere totally not affiliated with any sort of organization utters anything remotely considered conspiritorial or rude, while supporting our next presidnet, that Ron Paul is gonna lose somehow.

FUCK THAT.

You know how I learned of Dr. Paul? Prisonplanet. Does that somehow make my support of Paul any less desireable? NO.

Is Alex Jones a bad guy because Faux news can try to smear Paul because of him? NO.

Faux news is going to try and smear him anyhow, and I ALWAYS speak my mind, just as I did here.

This is not an organization its a message board for christs sakes get over yourselves. Youre not gonna dictate to me what I can or cant do on digg, youtube, myspace, or anywhere else.

for a bunch of people here in support of Ron Paul, the #1 defender of liberty in government, you sure are a bunch of control freaks.

 

[billv]

Do what you want. The actions of an individual in this case don't matter but the actions of a group can definitely have larger consequences being that Ron's supporters can make him look good or bad, as a group. Make your own judgements about what you think works. But anyway, thanks for the reality check.

 

[billv]

And in addition, some of those suggestions are good, reguardless of what you think. Like, quit knocking everyone when they don't support Ron. Good advice. And this message board is a means to organize a loose grassroots campaign. It may be a message board but I think for many here, it's a means to LOOSLY organizing.

 

[kylejack]

Is it just me or is every other post on this entire board all about what other people should do or not do, say or not say, wear or not wear, think or not think.

I've had it. Everyone is so worried that If someone somewhere totally not affiliated with any sort of organization utters anything remotely considered conspiritorial or rude, while supporting our next presidnet, that Ron Paul is gonna lose somehow.

FUCK THAT.

You know how I learned of Dr. Paul? Prisonplanet. Does that somehow make my support of Paul any less desireable? NO.

Is Alex Jones a bad guy because Faux news can try to smear Paul because of him? NO.

Faux news is going to try and smear him anyhow, and I ALWAYS speak my mind, just as I did here.

This is not an organization its a message board for christs sakes get over yourselves. Youre not gonna dictate to me what I can or cant do on digg, youtube, myspace, or anywhere else.

for a bunch of people here in support of Ron Paul, the #1 defender of liberty in government, you sure are a bunch of control freaks.

You need to think this through. If the bombardment of Digg continues, they're going to take drastic measures. We don't want to see articles about Ron Paul banned because of violation of the Digg Terms of Service. Chill out. Think this through. Nobody can control what you do, so I don't know why you're throwing such a hissy fit. Just remember that overzealous promotion of Ron Paul may bite us in the ass if we keep bombarding Digg in violation of the Digg TOS.

 

[SAVEamerica]

I'm sure you know that most of the US population are sheeple who use their TV sets for thinking. What happens when the mainstream media figures out that he is supported by Alex Jones and Aaron Russo? They will try to make it seem like he's some paranoid conspiracy believing lunatic.

I'm not saying that is what he or anyone who believes any of that is, but that's how MSM is going to make it seem. That's why you should avoid bringing up that kind of stuff, you are giving ammunition to the enemy.

 

[mrapathy]

keep the pillar in this case Ron Paul on a firm foundation.

conspiracy is a crime in this country. people do go to prison for it.
there is special interest groups. banks,corporations. media is owned by handfull of corporations. public relations is propaganda.

trouble is you say too much and you will start challenging peoples world view. it will make them think too much from what they know and they will reject it. plain and simple they cannot handle it for some reason.

alot of what Alex Jones says is true but its important to have documents that cover what he says handy and source of the information as well ie government,university,corporation,etc.

some of what Alex says is reaching. its best to avoid the stuff without solid ground.

truth may set ya free it may also bury you 6ft deep. it has to be perceived well if you want to stay above ground. Lets not put good old Ron into any holes he cannot climb out of. try to consider whats best for him. whats good for the goose is good for the gander he is little help if he doesnt get elected.

 

[UtahApocalypse]

The problem is not one of us is seen seen as a individual on other sites. We are a campaign group, what one does reflects on us all. You may not agree with that, but its the fact. For the sake of Dr. Paul we need to maintain some integrity. At this point we are a very LOOSLY organized grassroots effort. We dont have any "leaders" there is no "hierarchy" We have to police ourselves, we have to work together. I am not telling anyone what to do, or what to say. All I am asking is you think about the actions you take and how they may effect the whole camoaign, not just you.

 

[NewEnd]

many campaigns have racists who make them look bad
or communists
or ultra feminists
Ron Paul will have the 9-11 truthers. Thats just the facts.
People will point to the 9-11 truthers and say "aha!! Paul supporters are closet conspiracy theorists"
People will point to the racists and say "aha!! McCain supporters are closet racists"
People will point to communists and say "aha!! Obama supporters are closet pinko revolutionaries!"
People will point to ultra-feminists and say "aha!! Hillary supporters are closet forced abortionists!"


I think the best thing to do, in any debate, is keep your cool, and remember
Victory, not vengeance. We want to win, not destroy our enemies.
So speak persuasively, and try to bond with the person you are talking to.

 

[Gee]

Yeah, we clearly need more central planning in our grassroots efforts. People cannot just be allowed to run rampant and post everywhere, that would be chaos. Comrades, we should all unite under Ron Paul's campaign staff, and work for the good of the community, not for our own selfish interests.

 

[Craig_R]

I knew this would happen

I knew that within 5 replies someone would be trying to tell me what to do again.

I think it would be great to crash digg, seems that might get some press on Dr.Paul.

In case you havent noticed the fanatic nature of RP supporters is almost as much of a news story as the smear campaign or anything else.

Every candidate has supporters that could potentially "scare" someone away.

Only ONE has a truly passionate, loyal, almost frenzied base of supporters.
(you know who that is)

This fact alone will get people interested, as most folks have NEVER even imagined being passionate about supporting a Politician.

I'm confident, once ANYONE has to hear what Dr. Paul has to say, HIS MESSAGE will negate any feelings anyone has about any segment of his support.

The fact that the "loonies" myself included were among the first, if not first, supporters of RP, even before he announced.

should have the rest of you johnny comelatelys not trying to silence us but thanking us for showing you a candidate of your dreams.

had it not been for our quite obnoxious noise making from the start, you may have never heard of Dr. Paul.

so now

Please Join me in creating a deafaning roar that the main stream media cannot ignore. Lets let them know that the power truly is with the people, our movement can only gain momentum and NOTHING we do can in any way harm Dr. Pauls message.

 

[Original_Intent]

There is nothing wrong with organization, as long as it does not become authoritarian.

Everyone involved with RP has a great love of liberty and are very alert to anyone exerting authority or appearing to exert authority.

That being said, everyone can individually do what they want. Most of what I have read about what people should or should not do has been by the way of advice/ how can we be most effective? / how are we hurting ourselves and the ultimate goal?

Again, we are each free agents, no one is denying that but if you see something brought up and you feel that it is directed at you, step back and see if maybe there isn't some validity to what they are saying.

edit: I also think that turning this into a pissing contest "I supported Ron Paul before you Johnny-come-latelys" is counterproductive. None of us know anything about how long we have been supporters of Ron Paul's.

 

[mesler]

Is it just me or is every other post on this entire board all about what other people should do or not do, say or not say, wear or not wear, think or not think.

I've had it. Everyone is so worried that If someone somewhere totally not affiliated with any sort of organization utters anything remotely considered conspiritorial or rude, while supporting our next presidnet, that Ron Paul is gonna lose somehow.

FUCK THAT.

You know how I learned of Dr. Paul? Prisonplanet. Does that somehow make my support of Paul any less desireable? NO.

Is Alex Jones a bad guy because Faux news can try to smear Paul because of him? NO.

Faux news is going to try and smear him anyhow, and I ALWAYS speak my mind, just as I did here.

This is not an organization its a message board for christs sakes get over yourselves. Youre not gonna dictate to me what I can or cant do on digg, youtube, myspace, or anywhere else.

for a bunch of people here in support of Ron Paul, the #1 defender of liberty in government, you sure are a bunch of control freaks.

In other words, you choose not to keep quiet even to the determent of the candidate. You're a free man, do what you please. However, I'm telling you this: Paul needs mainstream American support, and it would be wise for us all to conduct ourselves in a manner that encourages, not discourages, mainstream support. It would be beneficial for us not to alienate on-line communities and cause 'blowback'. If you think we're being controlling and 'bossing' you around, you're wrong, that's not what we're saying.

 

[mesler]

many campaigns have racists who make them look bad
or communists
or ultra feminists
Ron Paul will have the 9-11 truthers. Thats just the facts.
People will point to the 9-11 truthers and say "aha!! Paul supporters are closet conspiracy theorists"
People will point to the racists and say "aha!! McCain supporters are closet racists"
People will point to communists and say "aha!! Obama supporters are closet pinko revolutionaries!"
People will point to ultra-feminists and say "aha!! Hillary supporters are closet forced abortionists!"


I think the best thing to do, in any debate, is keep your cool, and remember
Victory, not vengeance. We want to win, not destroy our enemies.
So speak persuasively, and try to bond with the person you are talking to.

This is true. But don't you agree that racists should shut up and not get in the man's face and ask him if he thnks black people commit more crimes than white?

*Edited for clarity.

 

[NewEnd]

Craig_R
I think Alex Jones is pretty zany.

But say what you must, it's a free country.
And I have seen polls that say up to 33% of Americans believe it's possible the U.S. had a hand in 9-11.

People are too concerend with winning flame wars, and not the attitude they portray.

Keep your cool. Always keep your cool. Victory, not vengeance.

 

[NewEnd]

This is true. But don't you agree that racists should shut up and not get in the man's face and ask him to admit that he hates black people in front of cameras??

I think racists suck.

I think rude people suck.

I don't think 9-11 truthers suck.

I think alot of people deep down have some serious questions about 9-11.

I think Paul has responded appropriately to 9-11 truthers.

I think he should ignore anyone who yells outof turn, and answer the questions he feels need to be answered.

 

[RonPaul4President]

I wish the original poster had given me/us an example. What thread/post gave you the feeling someone was telling you what to do?

 

[enan]

I think

we should

start

investing in paragraphs.

But back to the original point of the post. You know, if you were so zealous in your support for a candidate that it's to his detriment, would you consider kicking it down a notch? The whole AGGRESSIVE FREEDOM thing is fine and all, but I ask of you to consider the consequences of your actions. Freedom implies responsibility, and how you act effects how people feel about Ron Paul. Being pushy in a site and overwhelming it with pro-Ron Paul articles to the point where it swamps out most other news is not going to engender any good feelings.

If you bully a community by weight of numbers and turn their website into a fountainhead for Ron Paul, you're not going to help him win the election. You're going to piss off the community, and everything with Ron Paul's name on it will be labeled as "spam". You can already see the negative backlash now, and the harder you try and push, the harder they'll try and push back. And at the end of it all, we'll be the losers. The best part of it will be that in our zeal to support Ron Paul, we ended up getting a bunch of people who will not vote for him.

Is not digging every article with Ron Paul's name in it so much to do? Is it too much to ask for that people exercise a little bit of self control? It's quite obvious that we have the superior numbers, but if we try and shove it down everyone's throats, we're not going to help Dr. Paul. It's going to backfire on us, and it's only going to hurt Dr. Paul's campaign.

At any rate, you're free to do what you want. If you end up hurting Dr. Paul's campaign through your actions, I suppose it's on your hands. That's all I have to say.

Edit: By the by, RonPaul4President, I assume the OP is talking about http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=847 and http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=887 . If you really do doubt that what I say is true, look at this (from the first thread):http://www.digg.com/tech_news/10_Sites_That_Violate_Digg_s_TOS

 

[NewEnd]

Right now, its more important for Paul supporters to not feel like they are "fringe", than it is to try not to step on the enormous toes people are putting in our paths and screaming ouch about.

The people have agendas themselves. And who cares if a thousand or so ultra liberal or neocon diggers hate us... they would have anyways. And when they talk to friends... (hmmm... do diggers have friends?) they can say "I hate Ron Paul!"
Then it is up to the person they talk to to decide whether they will take that opinion as worth anything. I got to tell you though, it seems to be , in my experience, hatred does not pass off as well as love.

As I said earlier.. the "spamming"only really affects the "2008 elections" section of Digg. Yet peopel are coming from other sections of Digg to bitch about it.

The polls were real.... and everyone here knows it. Other people tried to show support for their candidate, I am sure, but Paul owns the internet. It's obvious.

So Rudy McRomney and Hilbama own the phones and political parties right now... that can change. They get their world for now, we get ours.

 

[enan]

And what better way to show the superiority of our argument than to cooperate with the new media and get their (almost) full support, as opposed to how the other candidates have strongarmed the mainstream media and gotten fractured support?

And by the by, it's the main page intersects with all of the other ones.

I think that it's our duty to make them not feel like they're voting for a fringe candidate, but there are better ways to do it (like invite them to this site) than to spam digg.

 

[NewEnd]

And what better way to show the superiority of our argument than to cooperate with the new media and get their (almost) full support, as opposed to how the other candidates have strongarmed the mainstream media and gotten fractured support?

And by the by, it's the main page intersects with all of the other ones.

I think that it's our duty to make them not feel like they're voting for a fringe candidate, but there are better ways to do it (like invite them to this site) than to spam digg.

Let me get one thing clear

Its not Spam.

I have dealt with spam, I worked in computer security, and I know what spam is.

People using digg to push their favorite stories to the top IS EXACTLY what it was created for.

It is not SPAM, and I resent every single person who claims it is.

And Digg deals with the front page just fine, look at it now, there are only one or two Ron Paul stories.

People are calling it spam... when it is nothing of the sort. The comments are original, and the diggs are coming from unique IP's.... more than likely, 90% of the Diggs are single users, if nto more. There have been lots of allegations of spam, but never a shred of proof, except one guy claiming he caught someone using a ddouble account.

And when they call it spam, it just shows what crybabies alot of them are. Digg is going to get bigger, and one day, a story with 5000 diggs will not even make it to the front page. Right now, it is just an anarchistic phenomenon that is flaring. there is no real coordinated effort... that is just the way it is.

P.S. I have been on Digg for over 6 months.