Third-party support surging

[euphemia]

Oh well, maybe if they can raise their cred a little

What cred? They were supposed to come up with good candidates. Epic fail, this time.

For true libertarians, the only option looks to be Castle, even if it's a write in.

 

[Suzanimal]

He's not a libertarian.

That's why he picked Bill Weld. He's THE Libertarian.

 

[Occam's Banana]

That's why he picked Bill Weld. He's THE Libertarian.

The ORIGINAL libertarian.

Or, no, wait ... the ORIGINAL Libertarian ... ?

(These things are so confusing ...)

 

[euphemia]

That's why he picked Bill Weld. He's THE Libertarian.

No doubt.

What really bothers me is that there are people who think this is okay. They're like 90% libertarian. That's like saying a hamburger is 90% beef. What's the other 10%. If it's dog poop, guess what? You have yourself a poopburger.

 

[CaptUSA]

No doubt.

What really bothers me is that there are people who think this is okay. They're like 90% libertarian. That's like saying a hamburger is 90% beef. What's the other 10%. If it's dog poop, guess what? You have yourself a poopburger.

Agreed. I think the hope is that if America tries a poopburger with a little less poop, they may want to try another one in the future. And that future burger may have even less poop. (Unfortunately, America has a pretty big appetite for poopburgers. They've been raised on them for generations.)

 

[euphemia]

Agreed. I think the hope is that if America tries a poopburger with a little less poop, they may want to try another one in the future. And that future burger may have even less poop. (Unfortunately, America has a pretty big appetite for poopburgers. They've been raised on them for generations.)

That sounds very desperate.

 

[CaptUSA]

That sounds very desperate.

I think that's the LP slogan.

 

[Champ]

Johnson has been in the 9-13% range in 3 way polling over the last 3 months. He's going to have to do something more than what he has been doing because the numbers are pretty much flat lining in that range.

Jill Stein is also starting to pick up some momentum after the e-mail shenanigans and the Bernie debacle, which may end up hurting Johnson's numbers.

I'm beginning to think GJ isn't going to make the debates unless he changes strategy to get more people's attention and he does so immediately. Doing interviews where he comes across as awkward and stuttering and doesn't get the message out in a clean and concise way, is not helping him gain ground.

 

[69360]

No doubt.

What really bothers me is that there are people who think this is okay. They're like 90% libertarian. That's like saying a hamburger is 90% beef. What's the other 10%. If it's dog poop, guess what? You have yourself a poopburger.

You see the glass half empty don't you?

A presidential candidate that is 90% good and you aren't satisfied? People like you will achieve nothing.

 

[enhanced_deficit]

So vote for the retard, Johnson. Hell yeah! A real win for liberty.


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Gary Johnson supports the Trans Pacific Partnership. That makes him a traitor.

To be clear, I'm by no means suggesting anyone should support Johnson and I'm not convinced about him either.

Will be finding out more about Jill Stein, the historic first woman candidate of GP that media is doing balckout of.

BTW, 3rd party spike seems to be being driven by anti-war Bernie supporters and seems to be hurting neocon's preferred puppet SWC Hillary most. This is a good development for many reasons overall.

 

[undergroundrr]

Are there other credible polls indicating the reverse dynamic?

Yeah, when it first happened a few months ago, I thought it was an isolated thing, but it keeps happening.

Note that the first couple come from "news sources" that would probably rather Clinton won:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/gary-johnson-trump-clinton-polls_us_5798e0d2e4b01180b5312ad2

Clinton loses over 4 percentage points to Johnson, going from 43.9 percent in questions without any explicit mention of him to 39.6 percent with the Libertarian in the picture. Trump drops more than 3 points, from 42.6 percent to 39.2 percent, when Johnson is a named option in the poll.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features...on-taking-more-support-from-clinton-or-trump/

The majority of pollsters (12) have Clinton’s margin over Trump shrinking when at least one third-party candidate is included. The difference in margins, however, varies among pollsters, and a few, such as Ipsos, have Clinton’s lead rising by the tiniest of bits when at least Johnson is included. Overall, including third-party candidates takes about 1 percentage point away from Clinton’s margin, on average.

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presi...arian-johnson-will-likely-hurt-clinton-trump/

Quinnipiac University released a poll on Wednesday showing a general election toss-up, with Clinton holding a slight four point edge over Trump, 45-41. When third party candidates Gary Johnson and the Green Party’s Jill Stein were added, Clinton’s edge dropped to two points, 40-38. Johnson captured 5 percent, while Stein earned 3 percent.

A little unrelated but:
http://www.oregonlive.com/today/index.ssf/2016/07/gary_johnson_could_snatch_the.html

This is where Johnson comes in. The New York Times' 269-269 election tie has Utah going for Trump. But an internal poll for a Republican congresswoman in the state has Johnson at 26 percent there, just a few points behind Trump and Clinton. In a normal year, Utah is a safe Republican state. But Mormon voters really don't like Trump (2012 GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney, a Mormon, famously lambasted him earlier this year), so Johnson really could win in Utah.

 

[jllundqu]

h/t Angela

 

[presence]

Will be finding out more about Jill Stein, the historic first woman candidate of GP that media is doing balckout of.

..

[h=3]Key points of the Power to the People Plan:
[/h] [h=4]A Green New Deal:
[/h] Create millions of jobs by transitioning to 100% clean renewable energy by 2030, and investing in public transit, sustainable agriculture, and conservation.

[h=4]Jobs as a Right:
[/h] Create living-wage jobs for every American who needs work, replacing unemployment offices with employment offices. Advance workers rights to form unions, achieve workplace democracy, and keep a fair share of the wealth they create.
[h=4]End Poverty:
[/h] Guarantee economic human rights, including access to food, water, housing, and utilities, with effective anti-poverty programs to ensure every American a life of dignity.

[h=4]Health Care as a Right:
[/h] Establish an improved “Medicare For All” single-payer public health insurance program to provide everyone with quality health care, at huge savings.
[h=4]Education as a Right:
[/h] Abolish student debt to free a generation of Americans from debt servitude. Guarantee tuition-free, world-class public education from pre-school through university. End high stakes testing and public school privatization.
[h=4]A Just Economy:[/h] Set a $15/hour federal minimum wage. Break up “too-big-to-fail” banks and democratize the Federal Reserve. Reject gentrification as a model of economic development. Support development of worker and community cooperatives and small businesses. Make Wall Street, big corporations, and the rich pay their fair share of taxes. Create democratically run public banks and utilities. Replace corporate trade agreements with fair trade agreements.

[h=4]Protect Mother Earth:
[/h] Lead on a global treaty to halt climate change. End destructive energy extraction: fracking, tar sands, offshore drilling, oil trains, mountaintop removal, and uranium mines. Protect our public lands, water supplies, biological diversity, parks, and pollinators. Label GMOs, and put a moratorium on GMOs and pesticides until they are proven safe. Protect the rights of future generations.

[h=4]Racial Justice Now:[/h] End police brutality and mass incarceration. Create a Truth and Reconciliation Commission to understand and eliminate the legacy of slavery that lives on as pervasive racism in the economy, education, housing and health. Ensure that communities control their police rather than police controlling our communities, by establishing police review boards and full time investigators to look in to all cases of death in police custody. Demilitarize the police.

[h=4]Freedom and Equality:[/h] Expand women’s rights, protect LGBTQIA+ people from discrimination, defend indigenous rights and lands, and create a welcoming path to citizenship for immigrants. Protect the free Internet, legalize marijuana/hemp, and treat substance abuse as a public health problem, not a criminal problem.

[h=4]Justice for All:
[/h] Restore our Constitutional rights, terminate unconstitutional surveillance and unwarranted spying, end persecution of government and media whistleblowers, close Guantanamo, abolish secret kill lists, and repeal indefinite detention without charge or trial.

[h=4]Peace and Human Rights:
[/h] Establish a foreign policy based on diplomacy, international law, and human rights. End the wars and drone attacks, cut military spending by at least 50% and close the 700+ foreign military bases that are turning our republic into a bankrupt empire. Stop U.S. support and arms sales to human rights abusers, and lead on global nuclear disarmament.
[h=4]Empower the People:[/h] Abolish corporate personhood. Protect voters’ rights by establishing a constitutional right to vote. Enact electoral reforms that break the big money stranglehold and create truly representative democracy: public campaign financing, ranked-choice voting, proportional representation, and open debates.

 

[bunklocoempire]

He has anarchy written all over him.

lol

Yeah, and it's all written in a delicious frosting piped in a 100% consistent manner on his jacket by gay nazis... er, I mean, sinful individuals given the power over other sinful men.

Friggin' Johnson.

 

[enhanced_deficit]

#JillNotHill is spreading fast and remaking the liberal/anti-war landscape ahead of coming elections. Many Bernie supporters are moving to Jill Stein, a new kind of 3rd party candidate who is rising fast. Not good news for war lobbies/Hillary:

https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=news&q=%23jillnothill&src =typd

 

[Son_of_Liberty90]

Health Care as a Right:


Establish an improved “Medicare For All” single-payer public health insurance program to provide everyone with quality health care, at huge savings.
Education as a Right:


Abolish student debt to free a generation of Americans from debt servitude. Guarantee tuition-free, world-class public education from pre-school through university. End high stakes testing and public school privatization.

This is why the Bernie Sanders ppl are moving to this camp. But if it takes votes away from HRC, then I guess A+

 

[Son_of_Liberty90]

Johnson has been in the 9-13% range in 3 way polling over the last 3 months. He's going to have to do something more than what he has been doing because the numbers are pretty much flat lining in that range.

Jill Stein is also starting to pick up some momentum after the e-mail shenanigans and the Bernie debacle, which may end up hurting Johnson's numbers.

I'm beginning to think GJ isn't going to make the debates unless he changes strategy to get more people's attention and he does so immediately. Doing interviews where he comes across as awkward and stuttering and doesn't get the message out in a clean and concise way, is not helping him gain ground.

Yea, he needs to pick up steam

 

[Zippyjuan]

This is why the Bernie Sanders ppl are moving to this camp. But if it takes votes away from HRC, then I guess A+

She is only getting about six percent of Sander's supporters so far. http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/289859-third-party-support-surging That isn't that much.

That dynamic is borne out by recent polling. A CNN survey released last week found that 17 percent of Republican voters who didn’t back Trump in the primary now support Johnson, while only 4 percent of Democrats disgruntled with Clinton support him. Stein, meanwhile, took 6 percent support among voters who backed Sanders in the Democratic primaries.

 

[H. E. Panqui]

enhanced deficit writes: #JillNotHill is spreading fast and remaking the liberal/anti-war landscape ahead of coming elections. Many Bernie supporters are moving to Jill Stein, a new kind of 3rd party candidate who is rising fast. Not good news for war lobbies/Hillary:



...good points...not good news for trump or the stinking republicans either as their proposed 'defense' budget$ are the same/larger than those supported by democrats...

...i sense a lot of people here favor the miserable goddamned fools/puppets with r's after there names over the 'd' village idiots...

....i will note that there appeared to be a sizable % of the recent democrat convention delegates who were passionately expressing a yearning for "NO MORE WARS"...(yeah, i know..naive...part of the problem themselves...yada...

...i will also note i didn't hear any "no more war" from that bunch of goddamned fool republican trumpencees....

...btw, 'The Libertarian Party Inc.' is a somewhat tiny organization that could be/has been easily manipulated/dominated..if i'm not mistaken there are less than 1000 people nationwide who 'make the major decisions' every 4 year cycle...essentially...as i understand, my state and many other states have many unfilled delegate slots every year...i've been asked and turned it down..i'm part of the problem...

 

[clint4liberty]

Gary Johnson has called for at least reforming the TPP.