These "Professional Polls" are dooming our campaign!

[SteveMartin]

These "Professional Polls" must be countered with one of our own!

I was very glad to see RP address very clearly on CNN this morning how bogus the "professional polls" are. We must continue to be aggressive in exposing how faulty they are, and how they are even designed to bring about (if we let them) a self-fulfilling prophecy of non-success for the Ron Paul campaign.

Unless we effectively combat that "unelectable" tag the MSM and their cohorts at the "professional polling companies" have hung around our collective necks like an albatross, we CAN NOT WIN the Republican nomination. It's really that simple.

I have started this thread so that we can discuss combat strategies.

Without them, I can see us getting 6-8% in IA, 8-10% in NH, and 5% in SC.

With an effective strategy delivered to the public about what is going on, we can double those numbers, and be in this thing right through to the convention. Without a successful strategy, our new money dries up, and we are done right after Super Tuesday.

http://ronpaul.meetup.com/boards/view/viewthread?thread=3953021&pager.offset=0

 

[Zydeco]

good post, but unnecessarily negative thread title

 

[SteveMartin]

WE NEED TO PAY FOR OUR OWN POLLS BEFORE IOWA...

...Polls that include independents and people with cell phones!

Otherwise we will NOT win IA or NH...

 

[Cleaner44]

We will be in the top 3 both in NH and IA regardless of the polls. No doom here.

 

[WilliamC]

Remember the Straw Polls?

I think that, since Ron Paul has won over half of the Republican Straw polls, all he needs to say is "well the other candidates have supporters who will answer a telephone, I have supporters who will actually vote for me".

 

[FluffyUnbound]

The key to overcoming the polls - forever - is to finish 2nd or 3rd in Iowa.

If that happens, the polls are discredited and cease to be a factor.

So the only possible strategy I can see is "Kick ass in Iowa".

 

[mosquitobite]

The key to overcoming the polls - forever - is to finish 2nd or 3rd in Iowa.

If that happens, the polls are discredited and cease to be a factor.

So the only possible strategy I can see is "Kick ass in Iowa".

Yup! Let's PROVE them wrong!

 

[SteveMartin]

2nd or 3rd in both NH and IA is a long shot with the way these polls are being used to manipulate public opinion.

For a few thousand dollars, we could change all that...

If we don't, it my honest opinion, and that is all it is, we will be 5th in IA and 4th in NH at best.

 

[davidhperry]

The upside is that the media and everyone else has extremely low expectations for how we're going to do.

 

[brandon]

2nd or 3rd in both NH and IA is a long shot with the way these polls are being used to manipulate public opinion.

For a few thousand dollars, we could change all that...

If we don't, it my honest opinion, and that is all it is, we will be 5th in IA and 4th in NH at best.

So let me get this straight. You are saying that the polls are lies meant to manufacture opinion. Then you are predicting that we are going to finish in these two states exactly where the polls say we are going to finish?

Make up your mind. Do you trust the polls or not?

 

[ronpaulforprez2008]

I was very glad to see RP address very clearly on CNN this morning how bogus the "professional polls" are. We must continue to be aggressive in exposing how faulty they are, and how they are even designed to bring about (if we let them) a self-fulfilling prophecy of non-success for the Ron Paul campaign.

Lets Do Our Own National Poll
see: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=60206

 

[Ethek]

WE NEED TO PAY FOR OUR OWN POLLS BEFORE IOWA...

...Polls that include independents and people with cell phones!

Otherwise we will NOT win IA or NH...

Those only work if MSM picks up on them and publishes them as if they were their own. Not gonna happen with Ron Paul

 

[SteveMartin]

So let me get this straight. You are saying that the polls are lies meant to manufacture opinion. Then you are predicting that we are going to finish in these two states exactly where the polls say we are going to finish?

Make up your mind. Do you trust the polls or not?

Softball question...

I believe they are seriously flawed and inaccurate.

I also believe they have tremendous power with Joe Sixpack.

 

[SteveMartin]

Those only work if MSM picks up on them and publishes them as if they were their own. Not gonna happen with Ron Paul

If they are done by a professional polling company AND the contract calls for them to do their regular media releases it should work.

Of course, I understand the danger, too, that we may not get their full cooperation in running a truly un-biased poll.

 

[pikerz]

doesnt the poll outcome depend on the buyer of the poll?

 

[SteveMartin]

doesnt the poll outcome depend on the buyer of the poll?

It depends. I think in more cases than not, you are correct, However, in our case, I would doubt that this charge could be as easily leveled against us. After all, it is the one time a different demographic has been asked to be polled, and if other polling agencies doubted the results, they could always run their own (=more free publicity and positive confirmation.)

In any event, I am convinced the few thousand spent would be VERY WELL spent.

 

[wgadget]

I was very glad to see RP address very clearly on CNN this morning how bogus the "professional polls" are. We must continue to be aggressive in exposing how faulty they are, and how they are even designed to bring about (if we let them) a self-fulfilling prophecy of non-success for the Ron Paul campaign.

Unless we effectively combat that "unelectable" tag the MSM and their cohorts at the "professional polling companies" have hung around our collective necks like an albatross, we CAN NOT WIN the Republican nomination. It's really that simple.

I have started this thread so that we can discuss combat strategies.

Without them, I can see us getting 6-8% in IA, 8-10% in NH, and 5% in SC.

With an effective strategy delivered to the public about what is going on, we can double those numbers, and be in this thing right through to the convention. Without a successful strategy, our new money dries up, and we are done right after Super Tuesday.

http://ronpaul.meetup.com/boards/view/viewthread?thread=3953021&pager.offset=0

Yes, we must inform the sheeple who will only vote for a perceived "winner."

 

[barcop]

Iowa polls right now are meaningless.

The ONLY thing that matters is the caucuses. Prove the polls wrong and show up to caucus.

 

[SteveMartin]

I've written and called the campaign about the idea of getting our own poll done, and that was first thing this morning. No response yet...

Maybe if a few of you guys who also thought this was a good idea would do the same....?

 

[ronpaulitician]

I wouldn't say "dooming" though I do believe they make it a lot harder. Face it, many voters will only vote for candidates they think have a shot, even in the primaries. However, based on personal experience in my daily dealings with people, Paul's name recognition is slowly creeping up. It's up to us (and the campaign) to get Paul's views the same kind of recognition. The rise in campaign donations and the steady rise in the "professional" polls are good signs. We just need to keep building.