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In retrospect, we might discover that 1883 was a most significant year. We’re familiar with 1848 giving us The Communist Manifesto and 1859 giving us The Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life. But 1883 gave us three portentous happenings. These seemingly unrelated happenings turned history toward socialism.

1. Karl Marx died on March 14, 1883, and was buried in Highgate Cemetery in London, England. The assumption that Communism died with him was logical since only six people attended his funeral. But the truth is that it had not yet begun its murderous journey through the 20th century.

2. John Maynard Keynes was born on June 5, 1883, in Cambridge, England. His political, economic, and moral influence continues to affect every American.

3. The Fabian Socialist Society was an offshoot of The Fellowship of the New Life, which was born in October 1883 in London, England.

Today’s financial events illustrate that America is not exempt from being led toward socialism. Predictions differ, depending on one’s perspective, as to whether this will be a socialistic paradise or a socialistic hell. Time will tell. In the meantime, we’d do well to listen to warnings from the past.

Russian thinker and author Fyodor Dostoyevsky offered the following take on socialism: “The future kingdom of socialism will be a terrible Tyranny of criminals and murderers. It will throw humanity into a true hell of spiritual suffering and poverty.”

Socialist George Bernard Shaw added: “You would be forcibly fed, clothed, lodged, taught, and employed whether you liked it or not. If it were discovered that you had not character and industry enough to be worth all this trouble, you might possibly be executed in a kindly manner.”

That’s probably why Margaret Thatcher added that the “problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people’s money.”

Today, we can link the U. S. House of Representatives—and its radical, progressive, socialistic societies and caucuses— directly to Karl Marx through Keynes and the Fabians.

Before identifying many of the House members caught up in the socialist web, however, let’s first identify the major economic dogma of the early socialists.

Socialism is the economic system of both the Marxist-Leninist worldview and the Fabian Society worldview. John Maynard Keynes was a member of the British Fabian Society, whose American counterparts were the Intercollegiate Socialist Society and the League for Industrial Democracy. Their American voices were centered in the ideas of Norman Thomas and John Dewey among others. Dewey, you may remember, was an early signatory of The Humanist Manifesto (1933) and its atheistic, socialist gospel.

Socialists are united in their desire to see capitalism destroyed, either forcefully or gradually, and most would rejoice if Christianity were destroyed along with it. Socialists and liberals generally see in Christians “an infallible marker of mental retardation.” (Claremont Review of Books, Winter 2008/09, p. 6)

The Christian worldview endorses sound or hard money, fiscal responsibility, saving for a rainy day, deferred gratification, paying off monthly credit card bills, living within one’s means, etc. Keynesian economics, by contrast, argues for consumption, extravagance, and not providing for the future, arguing that “the great vice is saving, thrift, and financial prudence.” (Keynes At Harvard, p. 63) Keynesians love huge national spending, debt, and high inflation—anathema to Christians and conservatives.

Socialists see capitalism as an evil economic system founded on the concepts of profit, individualism, private property, private business, freedom to buy and sell products and services, etc. Indeed, a working definition of capitalism is “the peaceful and free exchange of goods and services without theft, fraud, and breech of contract.” Capitalism is tailored to individual initiative rather than groupthink or community initiative. Nearly all inventions that have furthered the capitalistic enterprise and blessed humanity in the process have been the result of individual initiative rather than committee, group, or government activity.

Marx advanced the socialist cause by calling for social or public ownership of property and the abolition of private property. He believed that people were best suited to work on state farms, public parks, nationalized banks, or the government bureaucracy rather than for private employers, who would certainly take advantage of their employees, causing them both social and economic harm. Marx was an economic leech on fellow communist Engels, who supported him with his capitalistic father’s monies.

George Bernard Shaw represented the Fabian point of view by calling for “the socialization of the means of production, distribution, and exchange” to bring about an equal distribution of goods and services to all members of society and to make the State “the ALL of social well-being.” The State “subsumes all economic life of the nation.”

In other words, socialism is an economic system that downplays the individual in favor of the group, social order, or the State. It is a system in which the State directs the economic activity of the social order through central planning and by placing economic activity under the jurisdiction of the State. Socialism is also known as collectivism or Statism and, to Marx, Communism.

Today, we call this economic system “interventionism” or Keynesism. Interventionism is a kind of socialism or communism, but without the destruction of the bourgeoisie (which were slaughtered by the millions by Soviet and Chinese communists). Today’s Fabians/Progressives/ Radicals allow their capitalist enemies to create wealth, but acquire it by taxing them instead of slaughtering them (Marx’s “reign of terrorism on the bourgeoisie”). They are then free to distribute the wealth among the economically disadvantaged, the intellectual elites, and the superior governing classes.

Such (re)distribution of wealth ensures the favorable vote of the masses being fed, entertained, housed (with sub-prime loans) and doctored. ACORN (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now) and socialism fit hand-in-glove just as Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac fit Barney Frank, Maxine Waters, and Chris Dodd to a “T.”

Most Americans are totally unaware that the U.S. House of Representatives crawls with a large, well-organized assembly of socialist organizations. These organizations are dedicated to (a) bringing about the destruction of the capitalist economic system (portrayed as greedy, conservative, religious, and/or filthy rich) and (b) slowly but surely bringing production, education, food, and health care under the complete control and regulation of the federal government.

A prime example of this governmental takeover is the carbon tax currently under discussion. It would punish business and industry’s use of gas and oil products (which according to Al Gore will warm the planet by one degree over the next 100 years) by “allowing] the federal government to ‘control every aspect of our economy,’ according to Christopher Horner of the Competitive Enterprise Institute” (The Weekly Standard, March 16, 2009, p. 17).

The legislators involved in this socialistic undertaking belong to one or more radical House organizations: the Progressive Democrats of America (6 House members), the Congressional Progressive Caucus (74 House members), the Congressional Black Caucus (43 House members), and the Democratic Socialists of America.

Incidentally, the Democratic Socialists of America do not identify their House members since they consider all members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus part of their membership due to the fact that “they both shared operative social democratic politics.” The most prominent national member of DSA is AFL-CIO President John J. Sweeney, who could well be the most powerful influence in the House of Representatives. And for the record, the Chairwoman of the Congressional Black Caucus is Congressional Progressive Caucus member Barbara Lee (CA-9). The interconnections between all these socialist-based organizations is staggering.

These organizations and their members quite literally comprise a Socialist Red Army within the very contours of the House of Representatives. According to the Wikipedia article on the organization, “The Congressional Progressive Caucus (CPC) is the single largest partisan caucus in the United States House of Representatives and works together to advance progressive [socialist] issues and causes. The CPC was founded in 1991 by independent [socialist] Congressman Bernie Sanders of Vermont, who remains a member as Senator. [The CPC] represents about a third of the House Democratic Caucus. Of the twenty standing committees of the House, eleven are chaired by members of the CPC.”

When the CPC claimed 64 members in 2006 (now 74 and gaining), the leftist publication The Nation boasted, “The largest ideological caucus in the new House Democratic majority will be the Congressional Progressive Caucus, with a membership that includes New York’s Charles Rangel, Michigan’s John Conyers, Massachusetts’s Barney Frank and at least half the incoming chairs of House standing committees” (The Nation, November 12,2006).

These current eleven chairs are CPC members:

George Miller (CA-9)—Chairman of the House Education and Labor Committee;
Henry Waxman (CA-30)—Chairman of the Committee on Energy and Commerce;
Bob Filner (CA-51)—Chairman of the House Veterans Affairs Committee;
Barney Frank (MA-4)—Chairman of the House Financial Services Committee;
John Conyers (MI-14)—Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee;
Bennie Thompson (MS-2)—Chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee;
Nydia Velazquez (NY-12)—Chairwoman of the House Small Business Committee;
Charles Rangel (NY-15)—Chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee;
Louise Slaughter (N Y-28)—Chairwoman of the House Rules Committee;
Bob Brady (PA-1)—Chairman of the House Administration Committee; and
Edward J. Markey (MA-7)—Select Committee on Energy Independence and Global Warming.
As of February 20,2009, the Co-Chairs of the CPC are Raul M. Grijalva (AZ-7) and Lynn Woolsey (CA-6). The Vice Chairs are Diane Watson (CA-33), Sheila Jackson-Lee (TX-18), Mazie Hirono (HI-2), and Dennis Kucinich (OH-10). Incidentally, the CPC website was “hosted by the Democratic Socialists of America” until 1999, a group affiliated with the Socialist International which was founded by Karl Marx, Saint-Simon, and Fourier!

The Commission for a Sustainable World Society is one of the Socialist International’s sub-organizations. Until President Obama picked Carol M. Browner as his global warming czar, Browner was a member in good standing of the Socialist International. Upon her appointment, her name and biography were removed from its website “though a photo of her speaking June 30 to the group’s congress in Greece was still available” (The Washington Times, January 12,2009, p. 1). We can expect Browner to manipulate and push for every piece of socialist legislation to advance the defeat of capitalism and the imposition of more government on the American people. Oil, natural gas, coal, and nuclear energy represent capitalism, and we can expect Congressional socialists to do everything in their legislative power to thwart their discovery, drilling, usage, and distribution. Socialists promote wind(mill) power because they know it alone cannot meet the energy needs of a capitalist economy and will, therefore, hasten the death of capitalism.

Browner will enjoy a great deal of support from the newly appointed Secretary of Labor, Hilda Solis, who is also a member of the Congressional Progressive Caucus. And when Browner needs further help, she can rely on the committee chairs, co-chairs, and vice chairs listed above to assist her in using the global warming/climate change scare to bring the United States of America into a socialistic world governing body. She can also count on former CPC member Nancy Pelosi (who is already manifesting dictatorial tendencies) to drive the socialist agenda as fast as humanly possible. Pelosi’s San Francisco district (CA-8) is synonymous with socialism/ progressivism/ collectivism/statism/leftism/radicalism that in turn are synonymous with scientific socialism/communism/ Marxism/Leninism/Maoism.

We have yet to address the ideological role played by John Maynard Keynes in the demise of American capitalism and Christian influence. Anyone with a Christian, conservative bent fears the reality that the United States is falling headlong off the cliff into socialism and all that this will entail. It is no secret that the radical left is both anti-capitalist and anti-Christian. Marx would be, no doubt ecstatic, realizing that his life’s work of dethroning God and destroying capitalism are about to be accomplished.

Zygmund Dobbs conducted the research for Keynes at Harvard (KeynesatHarvard.org) and summarizes the political, moral, and economic slant of Keynes and his friends at Cambridge University: “Singing the Red Flag, the highborn sons of the British upper-class lay on the carpeted floor spinning out socialist schemes in homosexual intermissions….The attitude in such gatherings was anti-establishmentarian. To them the older generation was horribly out of date, even superfluous. The capitalist system was declared obsolete and revolution was proclaimed as the only solution. Christianity was pronounced an enemy force, and the worst sort of depravities were eulogized as ‘that love which passes all Christian understanding.’ Chief of this ring of homosexual revolutionaries was John Maynard Keynes…Keynes was characterized by his male sweetheart, Lytton Strachey, as ‘a liberal and a sodomite, an atheist and a statistician.’ His particular depravity was the sexual abuse of little boys.”

Keynes, like Marx, had a fixation that should have been a clue to his character. Marx practiced phrenology (the study of bumps on one’s head), and Keynes practiced chirognomy (the study of people’s hands). After studying the hands of Charles Darwin’s brother, Sir George, Keynes remarked, “His hands certainly looked as if they might be descended from an ape.”

Overall, Keynes despised free or private enterprise, considered homosexuality superior to heterosexuality, sought to replace the gold standard with fiat paper money which was more easily produced by government printing presses, did not believe in the family unit, despised “savings” as a stumbling block against the march of socialism, called on the state to control the number of children per family.

The Keynesian economic formula fits all totalitarianisms, including Fascism, Nazism, and Communism. Sir Oswald Mosley, for example, was a Fascist leader and a member of the Fabian Society. Lauchlin Currie, a prominent Keynesian advocate, was a Soviet spy and an economic aide to F.D.R. Joan Robinson, a Marxist economist, assisted Keynes in some of his economic writings, arguing, “the differences between Marx and Keynes are only verbal.” (Keynes At Harvard, p. 68; also see Mark Skousen, The Making of Modern Economics, p. 433)

Keynes also had a strong relationship with the notorious Soviet spy Harry Dexter White. Keynes considered White to be “the central figure in the Keynesian manipulations in the United States.” Harry Dexter White just happened to be the Assistant to the Secretary of the U.S. Treasury. Even after White was exposed as a Soviet spy, Keynesians to this day “see nothing wrong in White’s Soviet role,” a “typical . . . attitude of Fabian socialist elements toward the whole coterie of spies and Fifth Amendment communists in the United States” (Keynes At Harvard, p. 83).

It was Keynes himself who admitted that by “a continuous process of inflation, governments can confiscate, secretly and unobserved, an important part of the wealth of their citizens. By this method, they not only confiscate, but confiscate arbitrarily: and while the process impoverishes many, it actually enriches some [e.g., Al Gore]. The process engages all of the hidden forces of economic law on the side of destruction, and does it in a manner that not one man in a million can diagnose.”

Thus it is astounding that Larry Summers, head of President Obama’s National Economic Council and former president of Harvard University, when asked by Charlie Rose “what idea, what person has most influenced your thinking on how to deal with this [financial] mess?” without hesitation answered “Keynes.”

Following the economic advice of Keynes (huge government spending, debt, and inflation) is kissing the American capitalist system goodnight! His advice is what every socialist would give, even though clear-thinking, common sense Americans know that excessive debt and excessive spending are the main ingredients that created this current financial mess (with the help of Congressional Progressives like Barney Frank hatching socialist schemes in the House of Representatives).

When Whittaker Chambers took up his sling and aimed his rock at Communism, he admitted that he hit “something else.” What he hit “was the forces of that great socialist revolution, which, in the name of liberalism, spasmodically, incompletely, somewhat formlessly, but always in the same direction, has been inching its ice cap over the nation for two decades.”

That inching is fast becoming a rout with national and international socialists alike thinking their best opportunity to strike a deathblow to the greatest, freest economic system in all of human history is now.

Because capitalism has raised more human beings out of poverty than all other economic systems combined, we should remember the wisdom of Robert Heilbroner, a former Marxist economist who changed his position before the fall of the Berlin Wall: “The Soviet Union, China, and Eastern Europe have given us the clearest possible proof that capitalism organizes the material affairs of humankind more satisfactorily than socialism: that however inequitably or irresponsibly the marketplace may distribute goods, it does so better than the queues of a planned economy; however mindless the culture of commercialism, it is more attractive than state moralism; and however deceptive the ideology of a business civilization, it is more believable than that of a socialist one.”

Little wonder that Winston Churchill painted socialism as a philosophy of failure, a creed of ignorance, and a gospel of envy whose inherent virtue “is the equal sharing of misery.”
 
Our Government can at this point no longer be seen or approached as if it is in the hands of the people.

Our government has become a politically correct enemy of the people, while embracing former enemies of this country as comrades.

Ever since the Senate was taken over in 2007, Americans have lost 6.5 Million Jobs since Secember of that year.

The Democrats would love for you to believe that this economic crisis was caused by Bush who created 3 million jobs while in office for 8 years; but make no mistake about it, the only thing the GOP is responsible for, is using lip service to stop the Democrats from infecting the traditional standards in the conveyor belt of the worlds lending institutions with virus of socialist policies that opened up the flood gates of the credit markets to the point of draining all the liquidity out of it.

We had all these banks who would have never made the loans they were making considering all the risks involved had it not been for federal government sponsored lending institutions buying up all the shady loans and putting the risk on the people and the rest of the world who bought up the loans in bundles assuming that the traditional lending standards that kept the housing market in check with inflation where sabotaged by socialistic policies that do not add up in the real world.

What ails our economy as well as that of the world, did not start 8 years ago, it actually started in 1977 with Carter enacting the Community Reinvestment Act CRA (AKA Communist Revolution Agenda).

CRA states that banks have an affirmative obligation to help meet the credit needs of their local communities. CRA is an affirmative action lending policy that forced banks to carry at least 1% bad loans or euphemistically referred to as “subprime” loans.

The highly sophisticated engine of the world's economic engine was forced by socialist Democrats to possess bad bearings of it's engines portfolio.

Now who do you suppose was left to execute this elaborate plan of forcing Banks to actually place bad bearings in the engine's that keep them soaring? Well to make a long story short it was not until 1994 when Obama joined up with Acorn until enforcement of this new policy of instilling these bad bearings on the local financial institutions engines was ratcheted a notch.

Obama not only joined Acorn in suing Citibank, but he taught Acorn from the very education he considers the best he had ever had, it was an education from a guy who worshipped Lucifer, the man Saul Olinski.

Obama used Olinski's tactics in the book rules for radicals to train his army Acorn in the art of radicalism... Obama taught his radical tactics to his army ACORN, based on the principles he learned from the Lucifer worshiper, Olinski. Obama made it clear that was the best education he had ever had.


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“They unloaded a busload of people shouting pretty ugly things and scared the daylights out of my wife and kids,” an angry O’Malley complained. “I thought it was a pretty cruddy thing to do.” Baltimore city council member Lisa Joi Stancil sympathizes with ACORN’s political agenda but is uncomfortable with the group’s aggressive approach. “There are boundaries,” she told the Baltimore Sun, “and they don’t seem to have a problem crossing them.”

“The banks know they are being held up, but they are not going to fight over this. They look at it as a cost of doing business.” Some of ACORN’s fellow community activists are even blunter. “ACORN knows that corporate America has no starch in their shorts and, therefore, what they try to do is buy peace from groups that agitate against them,” says Robert L. Woodson, president of the National Center for Neighborhood Enterprise, a community-action group that stresses moral regeneration and individual responsibility rather than government handouts. “The same corporations that pay ransom to Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton pay ransom to ACORN.”

What you have here is Mafioso tactics aimed at bringing our capitalist system to its knee's. But what acorn and Obama could not do Clinton managed to see through by transforming the 1% bad bearings into 50% not by force but by passing the buck of the risk to the American People.

Obama may have spearheaded the enforcement of CRA through ACORN, but it was Clinton who managed to put the dagger into the heart of the role capitalism played in the world economy.

Clinton took Jimmy Carters 1% bad bearings in the lending institutions engines to 50% bad bearings, using socialist standards to completely wiping out our traditional standards. Clinton instead of using a campaign of force, he used a campaign of greed by using the tax payers of America, the American as well as the world economy as the source to absorb the risk of allowing risky socialist affirmative action lending policies to completely wipe out our safe traditional lending standards.

Well it did not take long after that until the computer running the highly sophisticated and complex economic engine of the world sent the market spiraling out of control and crash landing right into wall street.


"No loan is exempt, no bank is immune," warned then-Attorney General Janet Reno. "For those who thumb their nose at us, I promise vigorous enforcement."

The Clinton-Reno threat of "vigorous enforcement" pushed banks to make the now infamous loans that many blame for the current meltdown, Richman said. "Banks, in order to not get in trouble with the regulators, had to make loans to people who shouldn't have been getting mortgage loans."

According to Sheldon Richman, editor of The Freeman and an economist with the Foundation for Economic Education, government policy is to blame.

http://www.cnsnews.com/public/conten...x?RsrcID=36048

You can call it affirmative action lending policies, bad bearings in the economic engine, a virus that created all the toxic debt, but no matter what you call it the one thing we know for sure is that this was a foreseeable socially engineered crisis that held hostage the poor in order to bring the world down to it's knees in order that it be taken from a free and independent market to one that is dependant on the one's who sabotaged the worlds markets by removing the traditional loopholes that held the flood gates of the worlds credit reservoir and replaced them with socialist loopholes that opened the floodgates and flushed the liquidity down the drain of the poor who where in no position to pay it back.


Socialism is a deranged ideology that refuses to give credit where credit is due, but instead insists on spreading around the wealth until there is no more wealth left to spread except for that is the wealth possessed by those spreading it.

Each according to his ability each according to his need. Who needs hot water anyway?

http://en.rian.ru/video/20090615/155250830.html

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Forcing all the world to be subject to the mantra of each according to his ability and each according to his needs, which will do nothing more than take the fuel out of commerce as the fueling motivating it is the carrot of only having basic needs met. Now there is something to be inspired to wake up in the morning for everyday.

Right now in America the government that used to socially possess 30% of our economy is about to take a 60% chunk out of it, this is a disenfranchisement of the people who are forced down the mountain they have climbed as the iceberg of government that was once the tip is working its way down the middle class region of the mountain until it has complete control of it to the point there will not be any people on the mountain only the government as it evens out the playing field to making in the valley and shadow of death with the rest of the poor.

The government instead of assuming its constitutional role in allowing the people to be ruled and governed by the people is taking on a monstrous role of not only deciding for the people how there money ought to be spent by taking it from those who know how to spend it and wildly spending it for them, but insisting on taking control of their physical care as well. Our government is a monster controlled by the very enemies of capitalism that have our economy in a depression, and that of the rest of the world on the verge of one as well.

What we need from our leaders in Washington is the truth in regards to addressing where this crisis arose from and removing those responsible of the atrocity while doing everything in our power to get credit back to where it is due using the traditional method of allowing it to go where it is earned rather than using it to create a disease out of poverty be enabling it.

Food stamp clients increase 48%

Welfare Checks to Increase for First Time in 19 Years


This is not a time to use the rest of the wealth this nation possess to use the poor to bring the rich down to their level so the Government can have us all dependant on it, but use the wealth this nation possess to put Americans back to work by creating a 2 trillion dollar credit line for people who will go out there and use it to create jobs and revenue not only for the economy but the federal government.

All these banks currently receiving stimulus money, can take on the burden of seeing this money get into the hands of people who are in position to create jobs that will stimulate the economy by allowing the people who are going to pay it back think about how to spend it not a government who is only responsible for spending rather than paying the money back or heaven forbid seeing an actual profit being made with the tax payers money.

There are 6.5 Million people and more out there who have lost there Jobs since the Democrats took over the Senate in 2007. 2 trillion ought to be more than enough to put them back to work, stimulate ours as well as the world’s economies. One thing is clear the demand is there, and the supply is just a job away, all we need is to get that much needed credit line that this nation depended on back on line. That is the Jolt our economy needs to get back on track, not taxing the rich who knwo how to spend money to put in the hands of a government that does not have a clue.

The best way to deal with the toxic debt is to allow a 10k tax credit to homeowners to upgrade their homes which will put the industrial housing market base back to work and invigorating the economy and paying taxes again.

Right now what we need is less money in the government’s hands and more money in the hands of the people. One thing is clear, when it comes to using money to run anything the government has proved it is an utter and complete failure. It has failed with social security, veteran healthcare, the 2 stimulus’s, now it thinks it ought to be entrusted to put us in further debt by allowing it to run universal healthcare and force another stimulus plan?

Until we hold those accountable who created this crisis, all we can do is expect nothing more than to see this crisis exponentially grow out of control of the people who will then be in control of a tyrannical government.

Obama even today is using the same mafioso tactics and socially engineered viruses that took down the worlds economies thanks to apathy for the poor that are still being held hostage by welfare.

Rahm Emanuel, House Mafioso, is Obama's Chief of staff. he was the one who wrote off the investigation into the FBI incenerating all those women and children at the davidian compound, and sent someone a rotting fish through the mail.

"obama has the political instinct of a Chicago thug" Bill Clinton


The risk the Democrats tool to enact their predictable and preventable socialist policies that hyjacking the poor in order to send the entire worlds ecomony crashing was in order that an elite few using socialism can control the entire world with mafioso thug like tactics as seen in Russia, venezuella, Iran etc.etc.etc... but in order to accomplish this all the independant Americans must first be made dependant.... 6.5 million Americans down...



"And while this crisis has shown us the risks that come with change, that risk is overwhelmed by opportunity." Obama

No way could any enemy destroying this nations heritage in the most politically correct fashion imaginable, as well as the socialist Democrats are doing while spinning off the blame in their damage control campaigns that aim to demonize anyone who would dare stand in their way.
 
YouTube - Explosive Audio Unearthed: After the Sub Prime Crisis already started in 2007 Obama says Sub Prime Mortgages that gave houses to people WHO COULDN'T AFFORD THEM was a GOOD IDEA!!

Socialist policies are what made homes for people who previously could not afford them able to buy them once the traditional standards where done away inspite of them not being able to afford them. This according to Obama was a good idea?

Diversifying these toxic debts by spreading them around world according to Obama made them "less risky" in "Theory" .

The theory of socialism is an outdated failed ideology when practiced in reality. In theory it is one thing, and in practice something else all together...
 
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