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The Holy Grail of Converting Pro-War Republicans to Ron Paul

Most of it is good, but watch out for the last 5 minutes. Neocons will use that as proof that the war on terror is righteous.
 
1000-points-of-fright said:
Most of it is good, but watch out for the last 5 minutes. Neocons will use that as proof that the war on terror is righteous.
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"Admittedly there is a risk in any course we follow other than this, but every lesson in history tells us that the greater risk lies in appeasement, and this is the specter our well-meaning liberal friends refuse to face--that their policy of accommodation is appeasement, and it gives no choice between peace and war, only between fight and surrender. If we continue to accommodate, continue to back and retreat, eventually we have to face the final demand--the ultimatum. And what then? When Nikita Khrushchev has told his people he knows what our answer will be? He has told them that we are retreating under the pressure of the Cold War, and someday when the time comes to deliver the ultimatum, our surrender will be voluntary because by that time we will have weakened from within spiritually, morally, and economically. He believes this because from our side he has heard voices pleading for "peace at any price" or "better Red than dead," or as one commentator put it, he would rather "live on his knees than die on his feet." And therein lies the road to war, because those voices don't speak for the rest of us. You and I know and do not believe that life is so dear and peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery."
 
1000-points-of-fright said:
Most of it is good, but watch out for the last 5 minutes. Neocons will use that as proof that the war on terror is righteous.
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Agreed. I think the parts about govt intervention and obeying the constitution fit Ron Paul to a tee.

But the parts about "peace through strength" and we must fight out of "duty" and not appease our enemies may reinforce the neocon position. I'm not sure Ronald Reagan would be on Ron Paul's side of the war. Let me know if you interpreted it differently.

The part about Vietnam at 2:00 is kind of vague. I'm not sure what his point was. Any thoughts? I thought he was saying that we need to unite as a country behind our troops instead of letting others die for us while others cry for peace. I don't know. Please provide thoughts.....
 
I interpreted the last 5 minutes as to have a strong military so that when the time comes we can woop ass. He is saying only go to war when it's a defensive war.

Iraq is definitely an offensive war. Capturing terrorists in afghanistan was the defensive part, which we should have done right and even gone covertly into pakistan.
 
all the defensive war statements in that were in reference to communism.

he, however, definately opposed vietnam in that speech, which is more relative to iraq.
 
terlinguatx said:
Someone with video editing skils should make a compilation video with this and some of ron paul's speeches that talk about similar things. alternate between reagan and paul every few lines. you could call it "ronald paul". or just try to get the ronald regan video floating around as many corporate listeserves as possible with subjects like "ronald reagan for veteran ron paul"
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*** Everyone should read what you just wrote and do it. I'm not tech saavy.
 
Yeah I second (or third?) that idea that someone needs to make a video for youtube or something using lots of quotes from Regan in it, and clips of him too if you can add some of that in as well. And quotes from the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence since every American can relate to those documents.
 
One of the toughest nuts to crack that we have with a lot of the Republican/conservative voters is the "war" issue. The neocons continue to refer to this nation building as the "Iraqi war" and continue to proffer the rally cry that we must "win the war." They do this to instill a false sense of patriotic obligation that is still playing very well with many Republican and conservative voters.

Let's stop letting the neocons dictate the false terminology on this issue. The Truth is there is no war. We won the war four years ago. We conquered the Iraqi military four years ago. What we have now in the Iraqi nation building is an "Iraqi Foreign Aid Project" or rather an "Iraqi Foreign Aid Boondoggle." Let's call it what it truly is, an "Iraqi Foreign Aid Project."

If we reject the neocon position that "we are in a war," and instead use more truthful language that we are really in a "Giant Iraqi Foreign Aid Boondoggle" we break the neocons false hold on many American's patriotic sense of obligation that they must support the war -- that we must win.

Most conservative Republicans tend to automatically have a gut rejection of any foreign aid. Show them that the Iraq situation is simply a giant foreign aid boondoggle.

I have begun using this tactic with Republicans and conservatives that are diehard war supporters and have already had some "aha" moments and eye openings, and even a couple conversions. I tell them we are not at war. We already conquered Iraq four years ago. What we have now is simply a Giant Foreign Aid Boondoggle to build a foreign nation courtesy of American taxpayers, while neglecting our own borders. We still haven't built but 17 new miles of wall on our southern border.
 
Awesome. I'm not going to rest until I convert my mother, and this might just do it. Another thing I have found is the documentary, "Iraq for sale: The war profiteers". http://iraqforsale.org/
Holy s%*t. No wonder Ron Paul gets so much support from the military. They think they are going over to fight to free the Iraqi people and help rebuild their country, and find that they are just pawns in a giant money stealing scheme by the military/industrial complex. It makes the blood boil.
 
I'm not video savvy, but I think it would be extremely affective to Connect Paul to this speech in some way. Maybe show quotes from this speech and show "Ron Paul" as the one who spoke them only to have the name dissipate, replaced with Reagan's name. THEN show Ron Paul saying something very similar.
 
can you post to you tube please

can you post to youtube please?...I think youtube has more following and recognition....

Thanks
 
This is an excellent video and fits in well with Eisenhower's speech about the Military Industrial Complex...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY

Is there any way to download the Eisenhower speech?? I already downloaded the Reagan Speech. I would like to make a DVD of the "old" speeches, then a second DVD of Ron Paul practically quoting everything from Reagan and Eisenhower. (Maybe even add that episode from the early Twilight Zone Series about the "Obsolete Man.")

BTW - I think both of these would do well on a Ron Paul Website such as the Veterans Day Site and even on the Boston Tea Party Site - let folks who are undecided about contributing know what this is REALLY all about! We aren't nut jobs and fruit cakes, we aren't conspiracy theorist, crabgrass, blah blah blah - and this is no laughing matter! This is reality - Rod Stirling even warned us that the time would come when we would be mocked and ridiculed...
 
Matthew Zak said:
Can We Get Someone To Create A Comparison Between Reagan And Paul?
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I think this would be a great idea!!! If the campaign comes out and openly identifies itself with the figure that Regan has become in the minds of so many it could serve 2 valuable purposes:

1. The most obvious...It would associate RP with their hero from the 80's and grow support

2. It would stir up controversy by those who would disagree...promoting more curiosity and getting us longer than ONE DAY in the spotlight at a time.


Hillary and Rudy are being DRONED about each and every day all day in the news because there are constantly new little controversies to talk about

A LITTLE CONTROVERSY NEVER HURT ANYONE!!! and really how bad is it when your controversy stems around being compared to what most find a National Hero.
 
I was really excited and I was going to show this to my parents... Until the last 5 minutes. That's definitely pro-war right now. Not something that's going to sway my parents, as the only two reasons that my parents don't support Paul are that:

1) Against the Iraq War
2) Against the Patriot Act

They think we are much safer with the Patriot Act because apparently, worldwide terrorist attacks have gone down. They noticed that they have also gone down with the Iraq War, so those two things must be keeping us safe.... :confused::rolleyes:

What should I do???? I've pulled out pretty much all the stops, and they keep saying that our war spending is a "drop in the bucket compared to other government programs, and our safety is worth anything".
 
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