That double murder in Oklahoma

[susano]

Anyone here followed that news story, at all? I know this isn't a crime forum but there's something particularly interesting with this because a lot of people suspect one person mentioned in the arrest affidavit might be a federal agent. I won't write more because no one may interested but just wanted to see if anyone has paid attention to this.
[MENTION=12430]acptulsa[/MENTION]

 

[Anti Federalist]

More info please

 

[susano]

More info please

Okay. Do you know the general story? Need to know where to begin.

 

[susano]

#1

March 30, two Kansas women, Veronica Butler and Jilian Kelley, reported missing in Oklahoma. They were traveling together. Veronica was going to pick up her small children for a court ordered, supervised visit (every Saturday from 10AM to 5PM). Jilian, the wife of a pastor, was a court approved supervisor. Upon pick up, the plan was to take the kids for a birthday party (presumably back in Kansas, where Veronica resided). This took place right on the border of the two states. When Veronica, Jilian and kids did not arrive by noon, some of Veronica's family went looking for them. They found Veronica's car with a smashed out window, blood all over the road, Veronica's glasses in the road 100' away, next to a broken hammer, and a magazine/clip/whatever those are called, for a gun, in Jilian's purse, but no gun. Both women gone. the exchange was to take place between Veronica and the children's paternal grandmother, who the kids were residing with.

 

[susano]

#2.

The father of the children and Veronica had never been married (they're young). Veronica had custody of the kids but he went to court to get custody and won, claiming Veronica's younger brother had sexually molested the kids. He was granted custody and Veronica given supervised visitation. The father's name is Wrangler (really). He's had drug and booze problems, with arrests, and he left the kids with his mother (divorced), Tifany Adams, a wealthy rancher and powerful local player who owns thousands of acres. Tifany has a BF named Tad and they have separate residences. Though her son, Wrangler, had legal custody, Tifany denied him the right to take his kids, saying he was a drugged out, boozed up loser. Sheriff called and said the kids were probably better off at grandma's (Tifany). Sometime after, Wrangler, who is now married with another kid and a pregnant wife, gets some drug and/or alcohol charge along with something to do with a gun. He goes to jail and then court sends to him six months of in-patient rehab. He was in rehab when Veronica and Jilian went missing. Tifany's facebook page is full of pictures of Wrangler's and Veronica's kids. When I saw it I knew the grandmother was never planning on returning to their mother, who was on a legal path to getting them back. The custody fight has been going on for at least three years and one of the last motions or whatever accused Tifany of "child stealing" (a codified crime). Veronica was doing well and following all of the court's requirements and was about to get unsupervised visitation which would then lead to regaining full custody (over Tifany's dead body, as far Tifany was concerned). On several occasions, Tifany cancelled vistitaions, in violation of court orders. Tifany conducts herself as though no rules apply to her.

 

[susano]

#3

Tifany and her boyfriend Tad belong to some group they call God's Misfits. Allegedly "anti government", though I don't know the details of whatever their beliefs are. One her facebook page was a yard sign opposing some local tax increase (nothing burger) and a Trump sign or flag. This par of Oklahoma is nowheresville, flat country, with rodeo going farmers and ranchers. Way more cattle than humans. Tifany is on the hospital board and is chair of the county GOP (which isn't saying much because there's few people involved in it). Two of the Misfits, a couple named Cook, had the little kids for the night before the women went missing. Tifany picked them up by noon (after the visitation exchange was to have taken place). Tifany told the Cooks that Veronica had cancelled the visit. Two other people in the Misfits are Cole and Cora Twombly, also ranchers. Another guy named Paul Grice, who's property is across the road from Tad, Tifany's SO, is also in the group. He's in his early thirties, with a wife and three little kids, and does ranch work. It's Paul Grice who looks like he might be an informant.

 

[susano]

#4

April 14

The OSBI announced Sunday night that two bodies had been found in rural Texas county, Oklahoma.

While the identities of the deceased were not released, the update was made by sharing a social post that announced the arrest of four individuals in connection with the disappearances of Veronica Butler and Jilian Kelley.

https://twitter.com/OSBI_OK/status/1779676929819357360

https://www.crimeonline.com/2024/04...tigation-into-missing-mom-and-preachers-wife/

Just prior to the above arrests, Cora Twombly's 16 year old daughter from a previous marriage (last name White, know as "CW"), was interview by LE and provided a statement that the above four, plus Paul Grice, murdered the two women. Note that Paul Grice is not among those arrested and this is where things get fishy.

 

[susano]

#5

Bear with me here as this is a lot of info and I'm going to look for the statement/affidavit from CW that names Grice as being at the scene of the crime. She also said that all five of them attempted to kill Veronica, back in February, traveling to Kansas to do it but were unable to lure her from her home to kill her. So that's TWICE CW mentions Paul Grice being involved. CW said she overheard a conversation with her mother and others about the February attempt. On the day of the murders, her own mother Cora, told her the five of them did it. CW asked why Jilian had to die and Cora said "she's not innocent because she supported Veronica". CW asked if they dumped the bodies in a well and Cora said, "Something like that".

 

[susano]

#6

The Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation arrested Tifany Adams, Tad Cullum, Cole Twombly, and Cora Twombly on Saturday, charging them with murder, kidnapping, and conspiracy in the deaths of Butler and Kelley. On Sunday, investigators they’d found two bodies they believe to be the missing women and are awaiting a medical examiner’s identification.

The codefendant’s daughter

The most critical information in the affidavit came from the 16-year-old daughter of Cora Twombly and Coby White, apparently her previous husband. Identified in the document as CW, the girl told investigators that her mother, Cole Twombly, Adams, Cullum, and another man were all “involved in the deaths of Butler and Kelley.”

Arrest affidavit and the entire psycho plot at link:

https://www.crimeonline.com/2024/04...nica-butler-in-february-over-custody-dispute/

 

[susano]

#7

So, you can clearly see that CW, Cora's 16 year old daughter, said the fifth perp, Paul Grice, was at the scene of the murders and that she got that straight from her own perp mother, just two hours after the murders happened. She also placed him at the attempted murder in February, based on the conversation she overheard. So, being that "God's Misfits" are being called an "anti government cult" and since Paul Grice was part of the group, placed at the murder scene and not arrested, I said WTF? I smell a rat. My theory - and others have thought the same - is that Paul Grice is an FBI informant. The only "evidence" I have to base that theory on is because the Misfits are said to be anti government and Christopher Wray been pushing the narrative of white Christians (though these people are surely Satan's minions") pose an extreme danger to the security United States of America. I'm thinking Paul Grice infiltrated the group and that's how he can be placed at the scene of what was a very brutal murder of two women and he's suddenly John Doe #2 and nothing to see here. OK Bureau of Criminal Investigation and the sheriff say they're satisfied they have all of the killers and are not talking about Grice, even though he's right there in their own arrest affidavit. I saw a short interview, tonight, where a guy who employs Grice as a ranch hand said OBCI (or whatever it's called) And THE FBI interviewed Grice and let him go, saying he wasn't a suspect. Why would the FBI be interviewing Grice? This is a state crime, not federal. Even though there are kidnapping charges, it all occurred in one Oklahoma county so no interstate offense. I believe the FBI has told OK LE to shut up about Grice because he's their guy. Some may recall, that the Mafia hitman, Whitey Bolger/Bulger was whacking people right and left while working as an informant and the FBI covered for him. Never mind that the FBI has orchestrated terrorist attacks, killing massive numbers of people. They don't care about murder, as we well know. The five "Misfits" killing a couple of white women is incidental and doesn't advance the white supremacist narrative so they aren't interested in any of that. They are interested in protecting their informant.

 

[susano]

#8

Oh, and one last thing: When the four were arraigned, yesterday, the little courthouse had snipers on the roof. The sheriff said it was because they didn't know how many of these anti government cult members members may be out there and if they were a threat. My take on that was that the FBI planted that thought, via the OCBI who advised the sheriff. The sheriff also made a point about the wonderful cooperation between all local OK LE, the OBCI and the FBI. Yeah, I'll bet. Going all the way to the Oklahoma City bombing, an FBI orchestrated terror attack.

 

[susano]

A fifth person was named in probable cause statements about the murders as having participated, but he has not been arrested, and investigators have not explained how he is connected.

https://www.crimeonline.com/2024/04...murders-of-veronica-butler-and-jilian-kelley/

 

[susano]

Well, it seems that Paul Grice is part of a group that holds beliefs akin to sovereign citizens and filed about 40 pages of legal documents, citing bible verses, common law and historical stuff as to why the current system has no jurisdiction over him and revoking his citizenship. The others in the Misfit group likely hold the same beliefs. So, this is solid evidence as to why the group would be infiltrated by the feds and why it could be that this guy, placed at the scene of two grizzly murders, would be both interviewed by the FBI (vs sheriff) and not arrested with the other four.

Here's some insane private police consulting company describing the group:

Sovereign citizens are individuals who, despite being legal citizens of their respective countries, deny the legitimacy of their governments and thus consider themselves immune to their laws. [1] The movement is loosely affiliated and not typically unified, though followers share similar beliefs and ideologies. They use terms to describe themselves such as “living man” or “woman,” “natural woman” or “man,” “free man” or “woman,” “secured party creditor,” “state national,” and the newest variation, “American State National.”

Sovereign citizens are anti-government, anti-democratic and anti-institution, and can be best described as modern-day outlaws. They pose a threat to the U.S. government and other governments worldwide. As legal citizens of a country who reject the jurisdiction of their government and its justice systems, they exhibit anarchist tendencies.

Accurate statistics on the sovereign citizen movement are challenging to obtain. Estimates suggest there are between 100,000 to 300,000 sovereign citizens in the United States. [2] In recent years, federal officials have noted a resurgence in the movement. The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) has identified the sovereign citizen movement as one of its “top threats.” [3]

ASNs assert they are not sovereign citizens. They sell merchandise that says that they are not sovereign citizens and often argue the term is an oxymoron used to defame or unfairly categorize them. They reject the label because it has been associated with domestic terrorism, believing they do not fit this characterization. However, regardless of their self-identification, their tactics, behavior, ideology and language align with those of the sovereign citizen movement. As the saying goes, “As a thing acts, so it is.”

In addition to in-person seminars ($150 to $200 per person), ASNs also purchase materials through websites and via social media. One popular product for sale is the “Freedom Bundle,” priced between $175 to $500. [4] This bundle contains a set of documents purported to help individuals move “into the private” and gain “standing.” Individuals complete these forms and send specific documents to courts and certain government agencies. Pima County, Arizona, has become a preferred location for ASNs to file their documentation, attracting submissions from individuals who do not reside in the state.

For ASNs, recording their documents signifies the repudiation of their U.S. citizenship, thereby ending any “contract” with the U.S. government. They believe this action exempts them from the jurisdiction of all U.S. laws and codes, rendering them immune to government interference in their lives. Despite the lack of merit or legitimacy in these ideas, this ideology is currently being taught and embraced by ASNs.

https://web.archive.org/web/2024031...ionals-the-newest-group-of-sovereign-citizens

Is that the type of group that the FBI targets or what? I know that nobody is responding to this thread but see it has quite a few views. I care about this because two women were brutally murdered and one of the people allegedly involved appears to being protected by the FBI. People are rotting in jails and prisons over January 6 and others still being hunted by the FBI but bashing some women's heads in is no biggie if you're an informant. Just like White Bulger. This further illustrates how dirty the feds are and that they are actively pursuing creating the white supremacist bible thumper domestic terrorist threat while nearly eight million illegals have poured over the border just this year.

An interesting aside is that the lawyer handling the custody dispute on behalf of one of the killers is Stephen Jones who represented Timothy McVeigh and eventually tracked down who John Doe #2 was. I wonder what he would have to say about the non-entity, Paul Grice.