Taxes everyone hates them...

[azygous420]

I just don't get it. Everyone you talk to hates them. But for some reason they scoff at people who say well then get them the hell out of my life. Abolish the federal reserve and get them out of our pockets. Why do they take us for wanting to get rid of the thing everyone hates? It blows my mind that people find it entirely necessary to be taxed for things they don't even get anything from. Like social security.
If you try to argue with people from the last generation they act like this country will fall apart if we don't have the drug war, or this war in Iraq, or taxes on their income. The worst part is that it will fall apart if we continue these things. Yet they still complain about them too as though they don't want them either. Can someone explain to me why people can hate income tax but don't want it gone?

 

[Fox McCloud]

*chuckles* As I like to say a lot here (and to other people in the real world XD) as Jefferson said...no one in a million really gets it.

People don't understand the concept that the government is a non-productive, overall net drain on the economy, and that they cannot produce money from nothing without it having deleterious effects.

Taxation is unpopular with most people...you'll only run into a few (mostly ultra-liberal socialists) who will say that "high taxes are good things". However, what the government will often do is institute a program, use the current tax rate to fund as much of it as possible, then use inflation to fund the rest.

People get all of their goods+services from the government, and the direct/indirect tax rate hasn't gone up....however, because of inflation, the currency's value has gone done, resulting in higher prices.

naturally, people bulk at the higher prices, but it ends up getting blamed on corporations maximizing their profits, scarcity, and "greed".

So in the end, people get tons of services and goods from the government with (relatively) low direct and indirect taxes....but the hidden tax of inflation is unbelievably high, and the "rising costs of oil/food/etc" can be blamed on scarcity or corporations.

This is why a gold/silver standard is really necessary...the government can't inflate the currency at all...if they want to institute a program, the tax-rate will have to be hiked up directly/indirectly, which people can easily see, and it's likely that less programs would be instituted.

 

[Zippyjuan]

If you want to get rid of taxes, get rid of the government. If you want something from government, like national defense, you have to pay for it. People today seem to want lots of things from government- without realizing that it is actually themselves paying for it.

 

[Kludge]

I think we all too often forget how many people are truly poverty-minded - how many people whine that they're entitled to our earnings because they so graciously bless us with their presence.

Taxes are fine - so long as I'm not the one paying them but rather the one receiving the benefits. Burn the rich.

 

[acptulsa]

Taxes are fine - so long as I'm not the one paying them but rather the one receiving the benefits. Burn the rich.

You have it all backwards, Kludge. The rich have to have tax cuts so they can pay more in political contributions!

 

[Kludge]

You have it all backwards, Kludge. The rich have to have tax cuts so they can pay more in political contributions!

We aren't on JohnMcCainforum.com anymore...

 

[acptulsa]

We aren't on JohnMcCainforum.com anymore...

May be, Toto, but I'm still damned close to Kansas...

 

[DamianTV]

You have it all backwards, Kludge. The rich have to have tax cuts so they can pay more in political contributions!

Why do you think the rich, and politicians (like the two words are not synonymous) are completely objected to doing away with Income Tax and having a flat direct apportioned national (not federal) sales tax thats applied to everything sold to everyone? (that means no exceptions for anyone)

Thats been a popular idea among many non liberals, frankly Im more for get rid of the Income Tax period and replace it with NOTHING, which means Govt would have to cut its budget to spy on its own citizens by a bunch.