Strangebedfellows Intends to give Obama a Pass

[Rhys]

NY Times reports that strange bedfellows has no intention of going after Obama because they want the whitehouse.

This is a ploy to get money and help from libertarians in making certain people money, and other people get political gain.

Reminds me of the Rockefeller Foundation.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08/07/stung-by-fisa-group-to-drop-money-bomb/

Mr. Lyman’s firm, Basic Media, Inc., will receive compensation for helping with the fund-raiser.

Furthermore, Mr. Lyman said, right-leaning supporters who gave generously to Mr. Paul are “experiencing some serious donor fatigue.” A recent money bomb for 25 down-ballot candidates allied with Mr. Paul yielded disappointing figures.

“The anger on the left is much more fresh,” said Rick Williams, co-founder of Basic Media, adding that the Libertarian right feels it has been “sold out by the Republican establishment for years,” while liberals are only more recently frustrated by the new majority.

Mr. Greenwald said his group would stay out of the presidential race, even though Senator Barack Obama faced criticism from the netroots for supporting the FISA bill.

“Democrats will be very wary of anything that jeopardizes the White House,” said Mr. Greenwald. “Democrats are going to control both houses of Congress inevitably, and the only question is not who’s going to control the Congress, but what are they going to do with that control.”

 

[JonathanBydlak]

NY Times reports that strange bedfellows has no intention of going after Obama because they want the whitehouse.

This is a ploy to get money and help from libertarians in making certain people money, and other people get political gain.

Reminds me of the Rockefeller Foundation.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08/07/stung-by-fisa-group-to-drop-money-bomb/

This seems accurate, as far as I can tell. I just pasted this article in the forums as well, which calls into question the motivations of Strange Bedfellows.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=149695

http://www.politickermd.com/wallyedgemd/3111/why-not-collins-bailey

Why not Collins Bailey?

By Wally Edge

It remains to be seen how much the "moneybomb" organized by Ron Paul supporters and left-leaning bloggers will bring in today, but it looks like it will be a drop in the bucket (currently $127,000) compared to the multi-millions Paul was able to haul on his flash fundraising days.

That probably has something to do with the Paul side's hearts not being in it. The New York Times said this morning that Democratic bloggers Jane Hamsher and Glenn Greenwald were the ones really 'calling the shots,' and it couldn't have been any more true in that the Paul-style libertarian Republicans will not see a nickel toward promoting one of their own. "We'll be using [the money] soon," Hamsher says, "to recruit primary challengers to corporatist Bush enablers on both sides of the aisle."

'Both sides of the aisle?' Don't think so.

Case-in-point: why, if this is a joint effort between progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans, is there talk of future primary challengers when Collins Bailey is already in the race against Steny Hoyer?

Bailey is the guy who organized a full slate of Ron Paul delegates and congressional candidates in 7 of Maryland's 8 districts -- something the state GOP failed to do. He has shown the initiative, meeting with Republican groups and the media, to promote his candidacy.

His biggest problem is a lack of funds. He had $600 in cash on hand at the end of last quarter (compared to Steny's $1.5 million).

If the plan was to swing in with a big independent expenditure effort on behalf of Bailey, get his name recognition up and blast Hoyer repeatedly, perhaps they could have excited the Ron Paul base? It's not like these people aren't believers. They raised tens of millions for an quixotic Texas congressman, for crying out loud! Having an opponent with the profile of Hoyer's would have made it all the more marketable to that crowd.

Now, maybe that has been the plan all along, and they're just being low key about it... OK, not likely. And that's why this effort fell far short of Ron Paul's "moneybombs."

Truth is, 'Strangebedfellows' was neither -- it was typical and it was partisan, and it will not have the intended impact.

 

[ItsTime]

Break The Matrix is just a left propaganda news outlet. All I can say... is I told you so. I hope all you liberty minded people realize where the money bomb money you all sent in yesterday is going.... to help the dems. Way to fail again BTM.

 

[JonathanBydlak]

Break The Matrix is just a left propaganda news outlet.

But one that likely will be lucrative for parties involved.

 

[ItsTime]

But one that likely will be lucrative for parties involved.

using the hard work of the RON PAUL grassroot emails. These people can seriously go fuck themselves. Anyone who supports BTM has been fooled.

I am really disappointed in Ron Paul Forums for flying strangebedfellow banners.

 

[JonathanBydlak]

using the hard work of the RON PAUL grassroot emails. These people can seriously go fuck themselves. Anyone who supports BTM has been fooled.

I am really disappointed in Ron Paul Forums for flying strangebedfellow banners.

c'est la vie

 

[RPTXState]

Break The Matrix is just a left propaganda news outlet. All I can say... is I told you so. I hope all you liberty minded people realize where the money bomb money you all sent in yesterday is going.... to help the dems. Way to fail again BTM.

+1

 

[Jeremy]

I've always had a feeling that it was just some dems trying to get support from us...

HOWEVER... why blame BTM right now? How do you know BTM wasn't the one that was tricked by the leftists?

Anyway, here's a quote that the leftists never live up to and why I was opposed to this "coalition" from the beginning:

"The idea that political freedom can be preserved in the absence of economic freedom, and vice versa, is an illusion. Political freedom is the corollary of economic freedom."
- Ludwig von Mises

 

[JoshLowry]

using the hard work of the RON PAUL grassroot emails. These people can seriously go fuck themselves. Anyone who supports BTM has been fooled.

I am really disappointed in Ron Paul Forums for flying strangebedfellow banners.

Sometimes you get burned when reaching out and trying new things.

I'm confused at the moment.

 

[RPTXState]

I've always had a feeling that it was just some dems trying to get support from us...

HOWEVER... why blame BTM right now? How do you know BTM wasn't the one that was tricked by the leftists?

Anyway, here's a quote that the leftists never live up to and why I was opposed to this "coalition" from the beginning:

"The idea that political freedom can be preserved in the absence of economic freedom, and vice versa, is an illusion. Political freedom is the corollary of economic freedom."
- Ludwig von Mises

If you're "in charge" of fundraising (in Trevor's case, having his name used for fundraising potential), shouldn't you know where the money's going?

 

[Jeremy]

I think the real issue here is that the Democrats involved in this are simply WEAK on supporting freedom. They'd rather support party politics. The real freedom fighters are right here, and we've known this all along. BTM should leave this immediately, otherwise I will have no problem hating on them.

 

[Bryan]

Here's my take- first, I understand the need for caution but I'm not going to jump the gun until the money is spent.

Second, it would seem logical that the Dems know more about the Dem candidates, so perhaps it would be fruitful to make a list of all the pro-liberty, anti-FISA candidates running against someone who was pro-FISA (what the PAC is against). Then, send a note to the PAC that you would like for them to support the top candidate on your list, presumably if you donated.

In the face of clear and present options, if the PAC then decides to ignore everyone but the Dems then there is obviously the possibility of blowback for being misleading / not truthful. We all know how blowback goes...

If at the end of the day we get burned, we get burned- but we wear that scar moving forward for all to see who burned us. (... and some can say "See, I told you so!" )

As for the Obama issue, with the guns (funding) that he has, I don't see how what was raised would make much of a difference, if any- and it would mostly help McCain anyway. Best to keep funding to cases that it could have an effect.


Just my $0.02. Thanks.

 

[Bryan]

BTW- the for-sure liberty option is the Liberty Straw Poll-- where your donation even gets you a vote.

http://www.LibertyStrawPoll.com

 

[Rhys]

Bryan I've thought about what you said for a bit now and I think that we're not trying to hurt or help mccain. i think we've developed a "we hate mccain" mentality, but we really hate the system of which he and obama are a part. therefor, attacking no dems doesn't help even if they want the white house and even if they'll work with us.

 

[bucfish]

They have mention going after Steny Hoyer A Democrat with a RP Rep, Collins Bailey as his opponent. Also Lindsey Graham with a Conservative democrat Bob Conley as his opponent.

Either way people need to let others do their thing. This PAC is to generate support against VISA and to run ads against those who voted for it.

Quit being haters and dividing things. Remember this message should unite us.

I remember them Blimp Haters quit wasting your time stirring up negativity and do something positive. Noone is forcing anyone to donate to strangebedfellows and noone is forcing you to join BTM.

 

[Bryan]

Bryan I've thought about what you said for a bit now and I think that we're not trying to hurt or help mccain. i think we've developed a "we hate mccain" mentality, but we really hate the system of which he and obama are a part. therefor, attacking no dems doesn't help even if they want the white house and even if they'll work with us.

Thanks for the note. A point of clarification, my point isn't so much of being anti-McCain vs. him not being a champion of anti-FISA, to say the least.

 

[Rhys]

They have mention going after Steny Hoyer A Democrat with a RP Rep, Collins Bailey as his opponent. Also Lindsey Graham with a Conservative democrat Bob Conley as his opponent.

Either way people need to let others do their thing. This PAC is to generate support against VISA and to run ads against those who voted for it.

Quit being haters and dividing things. Remember this message should unite us.

I remember them Blimp Haters quit wasting your time stirring up negativity and do something positive. Noone is forcing anyone to donate to strangebedfellows and noone is forcing you to join BTM.

the message is irrelevantly to this discussion.

Is our dedication to the message getting us used? That's the question. We've all been used by a woman (or are a woman) and this feels the same.

 

[ItsTime]

I've always had a feeling that it was just some dems trying to get support from us...

HOWEVER... why blame BTM right now? How do you know BTM wasn't the one that was tricked by the leftists?

Anyway, here's a quote that the leftists never live up to and why I was opposed to this "coalition" from the beginning:

"The idea that political freedom can be preserved in the absence of economic freedom, and vice versa, is an illusion. Political freedom is the corollary of economic freedom."
- Ludwig von Mises

BTM with their super duper awesome hardcore lawsuit threatening lawyer get tricked??? Or "the expert in moneybomb" trevor get tricked????

Another reason they should not proclaim themselves the voice of the R3volution.

 

[ItsTime]

oh and BTW Break the Marxist STILL has Strangebedfellow banners and ads flying even after this info!

 

[bucfish]

the message is irrelevantly to this discussion.

Is our dedication to the message getting us used? That's the question. We've all been used by a woman (or are a woman) and this feels the same.

Well that is your opinion. But why denouce it. Establishing freindships across party lines is hugh. And helps in showing how the message unites. I ask you this DO YOU SUPPORT FISA? I bet you do not and that is why the PAC got started to awaken people to this gross bill and how it attacks our civil liberties and privacy. Why not have the left help in donating to stop a bill that they also do not like?