Some states look to eliminate property taxes?

[Matt Collins]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=in7DWcNA41A​

 

[TheTexan]

 

[jkr]

about time!

insidious
predatory
evil

 

[oyarde]

Any state eliminating property tax will replace revenue w/ additional tax. I despise property tax . Do you trust a govt to replace 1/2 of revenue ?

 

[Anti Globalist]

Any state that follows through with this is completely based. Of course we can easily eliminate NY and CA as states that would do this.

 

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

The beast still needs to be fed.

 

[Swordsmyth]

As long as it exists you are serfs with a landlord.
The only property tax that is conscionable is one on unused land.

At a minimum primary residences must be exempt.

 

[acptulsa]

As long as it exists you are serfs with a landlord.
The only property tax that is conscionable is one on unused land.

I realize you're just as into arrogantly modifying individual behavior as any Left Statist who ever breathed. But I'd still be amused to hear just how the amount of use some land is getting has an effect on whether its owner is a serf with a landlord.

 

[Swordsmyth]

I realize you're just as into arrogantly modifying individual behavior as any Left Statist who ever breathed. But I'd still be amused to hear just how the amount of use some land is getting has an effect on whether its owner is a serf with a landlord.

I'd be amused to hear you explain how paying a nominal sum to the state once justifies being able to tell everyone else that you the dog in the manger will not allow anyone else to use this land that you are not using, it's only right that you should have to help pay for the proper and necessary functions of government to keep land fallow.
In olden times you owned land by homesteading it and putting it to use in some way, it didn't belong to government and government couldn't tell people they couldn't go out and make use of it.
Rich men buying land from the state, not using it, and telling everyone else they can't use it is just neofeudalism.

 

[acptulsa]

...it's only right that you should have to help pay for the proper and necessary functions of government to keep land fallow.

I didn't realize it took so much government effort to keep land fallow.

Rich men buying land from the state, not using it, and telling everyone else they can't use it is just neofeudalism.

I love it when you fervently avow that the only way to prevent something -- like feudalism -- is by invoking the power of government, without which feudalism would never have existed because government invented the stuff.

 

[unknown]

Any state eliminating property tax will replace revenue w/ additional tax. I despise property tax . Do you trust a govt to replace 1/2 of revenue ?

You're probably right but in a free country, an individual should be able to own property.

Not lease it for eternity.

 

[Swordsmyth]

I didn't realize it took so much government effort to keep land fallow.



I love it when you fervently avow that the only way to prevent something -- like feudalism -- is by invoking the power of government, without which feudalism would never have existed because government invented the stuff.

We will always have and need some government, as long as we do one of its primary functions will be recording and enforcing ownership of land.
If the government sells land to oligarchs it will enforce their ownership of it.
You have two options; not allowing ownership of unused land, or allowing ownership with taxes on it to deter anyone from buying up giant swaths of land and denying them to everyone else while also lowering the tax burden.
Taxes on unused land are avoidable, just don't buy land and leave it unused, that's the good thing about consumption taxes. (and locking up land that you don't even use is consumption)

 

[acptulsa]

If the government sells land to oligarchs it will enforce their ownership of it.

That's twice you've talked like nobody has land to sell but the government.

 

[Invisible Man]

And replace them with what?

 

[Swordsmyth]

That's twice you've talked like nobody has land to sell but the government.

All unused land was sold by the government originally.
The only other way to acquire land was to homestead it and make use of it.

One billionaire selling the land he bought to leave fallow and deny to everyone else to another billionaire who wants to do the same thing is just feudal lords trading land among themselves while denying it to the peasants.

All unused land in private ownership is an extension of the original collusion by government with the ruling class to deny land to the peasants.
Those who hold ownership of unused land (enforced by the government) can pay property taxes to lower the tax burden just like the original guy who paid a nominal sum to the government, OR they can make use of it in some way and earn ownership to cease paying taxes on it.

 

[acptulsa]

All unused land was sold by the government originally.
The only other way to acquire land was to homestead it and make use of it.

He's trying to lecture me on history and he has never heard of a land grant. Never heard of a land grant college, never heard of a land grant railroad, and presumes himself professor.

 

[Swordsmyth]

He's trying to lecture me on history and he has never heard of a land grant. Never heard of a land grant college, never heard of a land grant railroad, and presumes himself professor.

Gifts by the government to people who made no use of the land are no help to you.
I was being charitable to only deal with land that was paid for.
You do know that government gifting unused land to ruling class people who then claim it but make no use of it is even more feudal, right?

And how is a college or a railroad not using the land? any land used by the college or railroad is irrelevant to this discussion.

A land-grant university (also called land-grant college or land-grant institution) is an institution of higher education in the United States designated by a state to receive the benefits of the Morrill Acts of 1862 and 1890,[SUP][1][/SUP] or a beneficiary under the Equity in Educational Land-Grant Status Act of 1994.[SUP][2][/SUP] There are 57 institutions which fall under the 1862 Act, 19 under the 1890 Act, and 35 under the 1994 Act.
With Southerners absent during the Civil War, Republicans in Congress set up a funding system that would allow states to modernize their weak higher educational systems. The Morrill Act of 1862 provided federal land to states to establish colleges. Ownership went to the schools which sold it to businesses and farmers. The law specified the mission of these institutions: to focus on the teaching of practical agriculture, science, military science, and engineering—although "without excluding other scientific and classical studies."[SUP][3][/SUP][SUP][4][/SUP] This mission was in contrast to the historic practice of existing colleges which offered a narrow Classical curriculum based heavily on Latin, Greek and mathematics.[SUP][5][/SUP]

So the government gave unused land to another government entity and then that GOVERNMENT entity sold the land to fund itself.
The buyers either put the land to use (irrelevant to this conversation) or left it unused AFTER BUYING IT FROM GOVERNMENT.

Tell me again why government should be able to give or sell land to people who make no use of it and enforce those people denying the use of it to everyone else without them even having to decrease the tax burden for everyone else by paying taxes on the unused land.

 

[vita3]

Clown is British?

 

[jkr]

gonna half to...looks like WHOITE PEOPLE aren't allowed to earn a living...



all i gotta know is...

 

[acptulsa]

Tell me again why government should be able to give or sell land to people who make no use of it and enforce those people denying the use of it to everyone else without them even having to decrease the tax burden for everyone else by paying taxes on the unused land.

I'm still trying to figure out why it matters to the ethics or desirability of property taxes whether the land is being used for some purpose or another.

But I do know that "the land must be used for the greater prosperity" line of thinking is remarkably Stalinesque.