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Social Security Card Burn

porcupine said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC_uHYbaADs

A few Free Staters purpose to never use a SS# again
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i hope this catches on.

AisA1787 said:
They must be anti-human rights. Social Security is Human Right #22. Didn't you know? It makes perfect sense [major sarcasm]:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USJlVNo9l04&feature=related



I saw that video on the right when I was viewing the SS card burning. Who in the world finances these things? It's incredible. Go Free Staters!
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holy crap. social security is not a right. all we get is pursuit of happiness.
 
JTM said:
holy crap. social security is not a right. all we get is pursuit of happiness.
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he was being sarcastic; didn't you see the "[/majorsarcasm]"?

Either way, I really wish I could get out of social security, but nearly everything is tied to it, making it nearly impossible to get a job, etc if you don't have it.

it's a shame that it's a mandatory program.
 
Fox McCloud said:
he was being sarcastic; didn't you see the "[/majorsarcasm]"?

Either way, I really wish I could get out of social security, but nearly everything is tied to it, making it nearly impossible to get a job, etc if you don't have it.

it's a shame that it's a mandatory program.
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Well, we're fighting for liberty in every way we can. Some our refusing to use their SS#'s and others are fighting in other ways. It's a great feeling to be part of the revolution.
 
Fox McCloud said:
he was being sarcastic; didn't you see the "[/majorsarcasm]"?

Either way, I really wish I could get out of social security, but nearly everything is tied to it, making it nearly impossible to get a job, etc if you don't have it.

it's a shame that it's a mandatory program.
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I hear ya, I'd burn mine in a heartbeat if it wasn't for the not being able to get a job part. Unless you want to work landscaping with some undocumented immigrants.
 
wish i knew way back when, what i know now :)

want to SAVE someone from the system??? Know someone whose pregnant???
Don't Let them get their child a social security # at birth :)

NO SS #, No slave #, NO income taxes :) if the kid wants one later in life, so be it, but give them a fighting chance to stay OUT of the System! :cool:
 
s35wf said:
wish i knew way back when, what i know now :)

want to SAVE someone from the system??? Know someone whose pregnant???
Don't Let them get their child a social security # at birth :)

NO SS #, No slave #, NO income taxes :) if the kid wants one later in life, so be it, but give them a fighting chance to stay OUT of the System! :cool:
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One technique is to tell the hospital you have not decided on a name for the child yet. If they have a name, they will assign a SSN.

They currently also want to assign a DNA profile for newborns. So careful with the blood. You might hand them a document to sign that they are to destroy any blood taken.

But, having a SSN does not make you liable for the income tax.
 
When I saw a thread titled "Social Security Card Burn", there wasn't a nanogram of doubt in my mind that this was about the Free State Project activists in New Hampshire. No other place has the balls. Go FSP!
 
I am not sure if burning your social security card does anything. An exercise in futility if you will. Not paying social security taxes would be a more revolutionary act. I am not advocating anything illegal.
 
I would love to not assign a SS number to my children when I have them and to revoke my own number, but I need to be able to work and I do not want to take that possibility away from my children (or make them have to do a full interview with the SS office because they got their number after they became 12). It is truely a shame that it is required to have one in order to work, but until there is an option to opt out and still be able to work, it seems there is nothing else we can do but submit to the system.
 
Yieu said:
I would love to not assign a SS number to my children when I have them and to revoke my own number, but I need to be able to work and I do not want to take that possibility away from my children (or make them have to do a full interview with the SS office because they got their number after they became 12). It is truely a shame that it is required to have one in order to work, but until there is an option to opt out and still be able to work, it seems there is nothing else we can do but submit to the system.
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First, you really can't "revoke" a SSN, you don't own it.

Is this "full interview" such a big deal if and when your child decides to get a SSN?

And, I think I understand what you mean by "able to work," but technically, there is no law that requires anyone to have a SSN to work in the private sector.

Yes, many companies will resist, but there is no law.
 
Danke said:
One technique is to tell the hospital you have not decided on a name for the child yet. If they have a name, they will assign a SSN.

They currently also want to assign a DNA profile for newborns. So careful with the blood. You might hand them a document to sign that they are to destroy any blood taken.

But, having a SSN does not make you liable for the income tax.
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Yes and no. You can have no liability with a non-disavowed SSN, BUT because of the presumption you are partaking in a federal priviledge (the SSN benefit program) you can be legally classed as a 'taxpayer' subject to the IRC (which the IRS always interprets expansively to assert that all people are liable). Plus with an SSN it is tremendously easy to then stamp, track and (mis)categorize all one's financial transactions as taxable activity, all of which is (again) expansively presumed to make one liable. Disavowing association with the number at least legally documents one's non-consent to its use by the regime to ensnare you in the slave system, which in turn more cleanly establishes one's claim to not be liable. NOT disassociating oneself from the number is legally interpreted as silent acceptance of it (and thus being characterized as part of the slave system), so SPEAK UP! Some guidance as to how to formally/administratively sever from the SSN system can be found at:

famguardian.org (taxation section)
sedm.org
 
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Peace&Freedom said:
Yes and no. You can have no liability with a non-disawowed SSN, BUT because of the presumption you are partaking in a federal priviledge (the SSN benefit program) you can be legally classed as a 'taxpayer' subject to the IRC (which the IRS always interprets expansively to assert that all people are liable). Plus with an SSN it is tremendously easy to then stamp all one's financial transactions as taxable activity, all of which is (again) expansively presumed to make one liable. Disawowing association with the number at least legally documents one's non-consent to its use by the regime to ensnare you in the slave system, which in turn more cleanly establishes one's claim to not be liable. Some guidance as to how to formally/administratively sever the SSN system can be found at:

famguardian.org (taxation section)
sedm.org
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I haven't been to his websites in a long time, but from my recollection, Chris Hansen has a collection of just about every theory form decades of the tax honesty movement one can think of. The gold payments to workers was a nice recent win in court, but has this rescinding of a SSN gotten anywhere in court?

Anyway, it is the activity, not SSN, that makes one liable for any particular tax. If you walking down the road, having a driver's license doesn't make you liable to the traffic laws.

Here is a good explanation:

http://www.losthorizons.com/tax/Misunderstandings/SocialSecurityNumber.htm
 
The 'activity' of accepting SSN benefits was one of the things that specifically got Irwin Schiff convicted in court and considered liable (along with the usual biased judge excluding all legal evidence). Although the effectiveness is not a strict 1 or a 0, as I said, making a formal attempt to dissassociate oneself from SSN more cleanly establshes non-liability. At some point in the future the ever aggressive IRS thugs may raise the SSN or other domicile issues against the Hendrickson 'submit a corrected return' method (which is also not new) and then what happens when this activity-only approach loses? SEDM's method incorporates and covers both the activity and domicile status bases to prevent that future disaster. See:

http://sedm.org/Forms/FormIndex.htm#2.10.__Correcting_Erroneous_Information_Returns
 
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