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Ian A.

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Curious of the feedback about the new Campaign.

Personally I really like the face lift. The Ron Paul team seems to be far more active and upbeat now. They blog a HELLUVA lot more often which is great. They don't have the proverbial stick up their rear when it comes to saying what they feel. Most importantly, they are connecting with the grassroots efforts more directly. I also like how he's in the news more now.
 
I am happy that Daniel McCarthy will be blogging with them again. He's good.
 
I have hope:) so give it time;) plus it's up to us to make the gop realize their errors,if we want Ron Paul to be our republican nominee, we have more work to do ,so let's get to it, the fat lady doesn't sing until convention, IT'S FAR FROM OVER:)
 
they havent done anything yet for me to base an opinion on.

Right. This is why we need to give them a chance. The full C4L has not yet been unveiled; the Beta website is to hold us over. I have a very good feeling about it, especially with the addition of Dan McCarthy, one of the competent ones from the campaign.
 
CFL Needs to be directed by the Grassroots... not the *official campaign*

Curious of the feedback about the new Campaign.

Personally I really like the face lift. The Ron Paul team seems to be far more active and upbeat now. They blog a HELLUVA lot more often which is great. They don't have the proverbial stick up their rear when it comes to saying what they feel. Most importantly, they are connecting with the grassroots efforts more directly. I also like how he's in the news more now.

They are doing this "movement" yet another disservice... here are a few thoughts off the top of my head.

  • They are using the same people who gave us the failures of the *official campaign*.
  • They are pretending to be a grassroots driven effort yet they have started this site with no consideration to REAL grassroots efforts already in place.
  • They have offered NO support or even a mention of efforts already in progress such as the "March on DC", The GOP delegates, taking back the GOP, and on and on.
  • They have effectively disabled current efforts by coming in and rolling over them like a freight train. The current CFL is more of a distraction at this point because of lack of planning, foresight or sensitivity to current efforts.
  • They have offered nothing but a few vague ideas taken from elsewhere.
  • They continue to set this movement behind by promising much and delivering nothing. They say it will take "the next few months" to get any real plans or leadership in place.
  • They have provided nothing approaching a plan of action that we have needed since the movement began.
  • They registered the site on May 30th... less than three weeks ago.
  • They have not made their legal setup clear… and this is essential before beginning to conduct business or accept contributions.
  • They hastily slapped together a website that has as its primary feature a DONATE button.
  • They have had MONTHS to plan the "next phase of the revolution" and this poorly conceived and executed effort is what they have provided.

I have high hopes for this idea as it may be our last hope to establish a genuine movement with a real chance of saving our government and America. But I have little confidence success based on the current materials, inappropriate timing and general lack of planning... or, any plan at all.

At this point; success does not appear to be a high probability. We will probably see a repeat of the results of the *official campaign*. So, the entire staff needs to be replaced, the direction of this effort needs to come from the grassroots, we need to hire professionals capable of performing the necessary tasks, we need leadership of the CFL to be more along the lines of a Board of Directors selected by the grassroots.

We need something that really works this time... not the losing performance we have seen from the previous efforts... WE (the grassroots) need to guide the direction and goals of the CFL in a representative (as in a republic) format.

We have demonstrated that we can do more with less and those who have successfully led the grassroots should be put in oversight positions of the CFL... NOW, before it is too late.
 
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No offense Tarzan, but I think that you may not be the most unbiased person to make a decision about it. I came in here after I saw your post expecting something just like what you said, because you guys are doing the Freedom's Ground thing.

I am not criticizing, just calling it like I see it..
 
Did they fix the site so the McCain and Obama supporters aren't spamming it? It was sitting wide open for me to jam names and e-mail address gathered via a web spider.. so the 56,000 number may or may not be valid. ?

Who have they brought in to run the show, advertise, etc? Some people with new ideas and new energy?

Are they going to help candidates like Lawson now (rather than starting in September when it's too late)?
 

And that mention was just posted today... in a blog post… rather like ending up in section B page 27 of the newspaper… hardly the kind of support and endorsement they should be providing.

You know where I stand on the March idea (enough said)... you should be getting front page support for your event. Instead, the CFL will be drawing down your March support, donations and attendance as many supporters make plans to attend the St. Paul event(s) in lieu of the March... not a happy situation.

To give you folks such little consideration after all the work you have done is inexcusable. If anything, Ron Paul should be supporting the DC March with a major effort and endorsement… especially now that he is no longer a candidate. Instead, you have been treated like the proverbial step-child.

The CFL announcement could have easily waited another two weeks to allow your event to fully coalesce. As it is, they may have done your event irreparable damage.

You may not want to say so publically… but you should be more than a little ticked!
Well... at least I would be... sounds like you are a better person.
 
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No offense Tarzan, but I think that you may not be the most unbiased person to make a decision about it. I came in here after I saw your post expecting something just like what you said, because you guys are doing the Freedom's Ground thing.

I am not criticizing, just calling it like I see it..

For the sake of accuracy *I* am not doing the Freedom's Ground thing. That effort is being led by Katharine Memole (the Blimp Coordinator). Yes, I am providing what help I can but I am also providing assistance to several congressional candidates as well... and, another internet effort too.

I do have an emotional investment in all of these efforts and want them to succeed. Am I unbiased... NO! I want the constitution restored and I will do what I can to help any genuine effort to do so. We have to get real about our efforts and the results. If someone has a good plan count me in. But, take a good look at CFL and you will see there are NO plans other than to wait... for several more months.

Take *me* out of the equation and consider the history of this movement and the efforts and results of the people put into leadership positions. Then take a good look at what CFL is offering and their time line. We need to be accomplishing things NOW. CFL could be a great thing but they have NO plans and are promising things(???) for MONTHS in the future. Our country and our economy are in a crisis and we do not have time to wait.

There is no excuse for "putting the movement on hold" as CFL is now doing. As another poster mentioned we need to be supporting candidates (such as BJ Lawson) NOW... when it matters... when we can still make a difference. Instead, we are being asked to wait for months until CFL can get it's act together.

This is a disasterous misdirection of our efforts... CFL should have hit the ground running... they have had MONTHS to plan and their only plan is to wait.

just telling you how I see it... :)
 
And that mention was just posted today... in a blog post… rather like ending up in section B page 27 of the newspaper… hardly the kind of support and endorsement they should be providing.

You know where I stand on the March idea (enough said)... you should be getting front page support for your event. Instead, the CFL will be drawing down your March support, donations and attendance as many supporters make plans to attend the St. Paul event(s) in lieu of the March... not a happy situation.

To give you folks such little consideration after all the work you have done is inexcusable. If anything, Ron Paul should be supporting the DC March with a major effort and endorsement… especially now that he is no longer a candidate. Instead, you have been treated like the proverbial step-child.

The CFL announcement could have easily waited another two weeks to allow your event to fully coalesce. As it is, they may have done your event irreparable damage.

You may not want to say so publically… but you should be more than a little ticked!
Well... at least I would be... sounds like you are a better person.

Good points.

Two weeks ago the money situation was looking bad.

I am not sure who is running the CFL. I would distinguish between the senior campaign and the mid level campaign and the jr. level campaign staff.

There were probably some very competent people who had to follow orders from higher up that were not allowed to really do well.

What a distraction, to have Ron Paul end his campaign just days before the revolution march money bomb. On the day of the money bomb, multiple emails from different groups were going out competing for attention.

On the other hand, at least the march will take place, the speakers will be good etc. Ron Paul will be there speaking so it will be excellent.
 
No offense Tarzan, but I think that you may not be the most unbiased person to make a decision about it. I came in here after I saw your post expecting something just like what you said, because you guys are doing the Freedom's Ground thing.

I am not criticizing, just calling it like I see it..

Tarzan has helped out quite a bit with Freedom's Ground but no one (him included) is making money on it or anything along those lines.

If there are any sour grapes between FG and CFL it is because when I saw no strong future focus coming from the campaign I started work on Freedom's Ground (at the end of January). We incorporated Freedom's Ground in Pennsylvania as a 501 (c)(4) in March and had our first real fundraiser in April. I discussed Freedom's Ground in great detail with 2 individuals directly associated with the campaign and in a bit of detail with yet another campaign associate, primarily in March and April. I sent them links, had multiple hour-long phone conversations answering questions and providing details, etc... trying to work with them and help get something going for the future. After stating that they were unsure which direction they were going to take and then starting to move in other directions they suddenly appeared just a few days ago with the CFL and some of the most well articulated goals they are touting appear to be close, if not direct copies of ideas I discussed with them that they were not interested in pursuing.

Maybe these ideas came to them recently and they don't remember anything from my website, justin.tv or our phone conversations. Perhaps they forgot where the ideas came from and thought they thought them up...I don't know. It just doesn't feel quite right. People who have been backing my efforts are frustrated for me and I appreciate it.

Some of these may seem like a stretch but I think you can understand how I might be upset;

From CFL's site: "Encouraging the formation of discussion groups and book clubs at the local level to help people learn more about our ideas."

I discussed Freedom's Ground's "Local Charter Groups" in great detail and explained how members would read and discuss books to engage them in continuous education and would invite locals to attend so they can learn about our ideas and also to form strong local networks. These groups would also host educational events just for neophytes.

CFL:"Establishing a speakers bureau to give presentations around the country about the great principles we champion."

Now this idea is pretty obvious and they could have certainly come up with it on their own but still, they didn't have interest in it when I mentioned it months ago...I discussed Freedom's Ground's plan to have experts and leaders in our movement sign on with the organization and give presentations nationally of information scaled in such a way that even those new to the movement could understand.

CFL:"Gaining a foothold in political life at every level of government by expanding our precinct leader program."

I only discussed this with one of the individuals affiliated with the campaign in detail (but it did also appear in one of my justin.tv spots that are archived and has 100 recent views) but I explained how Freedom's Ground planned to use the precinct system to assign territories to our members so that they could get to know people in their communities and invite them to attend meetings, participate in educational events and to build rapport and strong community to help strengthen the movement.


CFL: "Developing materials for homeschooling families, to help them educate their children in history, sound economics, and related fields."

This just constitutes a side idea for Freedom's Ground but I discussed creating an educational program for children that would initially be marketed to homeschoolers but might eventually get into the public/private schools if we at FG were careful to be non-partisan and not bash individuals.




On our incorporation document states that Freedom's Ground was instituted as a 501(c)(4) for the purpose of "...advocating a Constitution based government directly to the American people and empowering the electorate through education."


I am a pretty nice gal and tend to think the best of people but this has been really rough for me.

Katharine
 
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Freedom's Ground

Katherine,

I'm sorry that it appears like CFL has copied some of your ideas. But, remember, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Also, there's no reason why you couldn't work with CFL on the areas of overlap. We're all in this together!
 
Katherine,

I'm sorry that it appears like CFL has copied some of your ideas. But, remember, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Also, there's no reason why you couldn't work with CFL on the areas of overlap. We're all in this together!

Imitation may be but copying ideas verbatim is intellectual theft (if that's what they did). I offered to work with them repeatedly. They don't want me, just my ideas. And honestly, unless they really bring some good people on and show a change in direction from the campaign I don't want to put my eggs in that basket. I want to work for the future of this movement. I did amazing work on the blimp. I love this movement and the people in it. I want to perform work I can be proud of.

I also think that having the educational organization and the advocacy organization linked and closely affiliated is a bad strategic move and will really limit our expansion as will Ron Paul's name.
 
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Imitation may be but copying ideas verbatim is intellectual theft (if that's what they did). I offered to work with them repeatedly. They don't want me, just my ideas. And honestly, unless they really bring some good people on and show a change in direction from the campaign I don't want to put my eggs in that basket. I want to work for the future of this movement. I did amazing work on the blimp. I love this movement and the people in it.

I also think that having the educational organization and the advocacy organization linked and closely affiliated is a bad strategic move and will really limit our expansion as will Ron Paul's name.

You managed to get Goldwater, Jr., and they aren't interested in working with you?

That's pretty dumb of them.
 
A blog and a Donate button (which doesn't even take PayPal) aren't exactly compelling content to me. Lets just say that I hope they've got a long way to go and that they start actually going there soon.
 
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