Should I get a flu shot?
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But I also don't use any "drugs", even asprins and whatnot...
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no, because they tell you its for your own good... just like war, taxes and public education.
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The CDC recommends:
CDC.gov said:
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/protect/keyfacts.htm
From the makers of the FluMist vaccine:
MedImmune Vaccines said:13.1 Carcinogenesis, Mutagenesis, Impairment of Fertility
FluMist has not been evaluated for its carcinogenic or mutagenic potential or its potential to impair
fertility.
14.5 Transmission Study
FluMist contains live attenuated influenza viruses that must infect and replicate in cells lining the
nasopharynx of the recipient to induce immunity. Vaccine viruses capable of infection and replication
can be cultured from nasal secretions obtained from vaccine recipients. The relationship of viral
replication in a vaccine recipient and transmission of vaccine viruses to other individuals has not
been established.
14.2 Study in Adults
AV009 was a multi-center, randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial to evaluate effectiveness in adults 18-64 years of age without high-risk medical conditions. Participants were randomized 2:1, vaccinelacebo. Cultures for influenza virus were not obtained from subjects in the trial, so that the efficacy against culture-confirmed influenza was not assessed. The A/Wuhan/359/95 (H3N2) strain, which was contained in FluMist, was antigenically distinct from the predominant circulating strain of influenza virus during the trial period, A/Sydney/05/97 (H3N2). Type A/Wuhan (H3N2) and Type B strains also circulated in the U.S. during the study period. The primary endpoint of the trial was the reduction in the proportion of participants with one or more episodes of any febrile illness and prospective secondary endpoints were severe febrile illness, and febrile upper respiratory illness. Effectiveness for any of the three endpoints was not demonstrated in a subgroup of adults 50-64 years of age.
Primary and secondary effectiveness endpoints from the age group 18-49 years of age are presented in Table 5. Effectiveness was not demonstrated for the primary endpoint in adults 18-49 years of age.
http://www.medimmune.com/pdf/products/flumist_pi.pdf
From the makers of one of the largest manufacturers of flu shots in the US:
Sanofi Pasteur said:
https://www.vaccineshoppe.com/image.cfm?doc_id=10203&image_type=product_pdf
So the bottom line is that multi-dose flu shots are admitted by the manufacturer to have mercury and formaldehyde in them. The FluMist vaccine is admitted by the manufacturer to not have measured efficacy in most adults.
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Flu shots are baaaad shit. The shot messed up my nervous system really bad, and I'm still on meds for it. 
Just mega-dose on Vitamin C instead.
Just mega-dose on Vitamin C instead.
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Ignorance is bliss....
Flu shots do not contain thiomersal which is the mercury agent this man speaks of. American & European vaccines have not contained mercury for several years. They have all been disposed of. And even if for some reason they were not thrown away, they have expired and have been/will be thrown away.
As a health care professional, I highly recommend you get a vaccine. It is the most cost effective form of preventive health care available. A vaccine costs you like $50. The costs of a doctor visit & prescription meds could easily be a couple hundred dollars depending on the illness being treated & what drugs are being prescribed. If you do not have a health insurance plan, getting vaccinated is a no-brainer. Health care is too damn expensive to be fooling around with your health because of irrational paranoia.
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Ignorance is bliss....
...thiomersal...
It surely is: thimerosal.
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DO NOT GET A VACCINE! AVOID THEM AT ALL COSTS.
http://v.mercola.com/blogs/public_blog/Forced-Flu-Vaccination-and-Freedom-71536.aspx
There is a reason they're trying to make many vaccines mandatory, and why vaccines are almost unanimously shunned in the natural health circles. This person above that is a "health care professional" has been trained with mainstream medical information, kinda like Keynesian economics vs Austrian economics.
http://v.mercola.com/blogs/public_blog/Forced-Flu-Vaccination-and-Freedom-71536.aspx
There is a reason they're trying to make many vaccines mandatory, and why vaccines are almost unanimously shunned in the natural health circles. This person above that is a "health care professional" has been trained with mainstream medical information, kinda like Keynesian economics vs Austrian economics.
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Questions & Answers
Thimerosal in Seasonal Influenza Vaccine
Does the influenza vaccine contain thimerosal?
Yes, the majority of influenza vaccines distributed in the United States currently contain thimerosal as a preservative. However, some contain only trace amounts of thimerosal and are considered by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to be preservative-free...
http://www.cdc.gov/FLU/ABOUT/QA/thimerosal.htm
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FLU SHOTS ARE EVIL!!
http://www.billgrayhomeopathy.com/FluShot.html
The Case Against Routine Flu Shots
Influenza A and Influenza B annually cause epidemics that pose varying degrees of illness. For the average flu, symptoms of headache, muscle aches, fatigue, fever, sore throat are limited to a few days to a few weeks. Often there is a stubborn drainage cough that may last a couple of weeks more even after the main illness. Most people recover fully with no continuing problems. Only people with unusually fragile health are in danger from the flu.
The typical season begins in November and peaks in late January or early February, tailing off into April. Influenza viruses have a very high rate of mutation, which means they are constantly changing their physico-chemical structure to adapt to new environments. This frustrates vaccine producers, because immunity developed one year carries over to the next year only by chance.
Pharmaceutical companies were initially reluctant to pursue such a challenge because of lawsuits. In the 1970s, Gerald Ford launched a government effort to inject people with Swine Flu Vaccine on the concept that the human race periodically experiences a devastating influenza epidemic like the 1918 Influenza Pandemic; his belief was that we were due.
Based on homeopathic principles, I warned my patients not to take that vaccine for fear of neurological disease. In fact, Swine Flu itself never developed, but drug companies were sued massively over Guillain-Barre Syndrome, a chronic paralytic condition.
Drug companies stayed out of the field of vaccines until Congress provided vaccine makers with lawsuit protection. Since then they have sponsored media campaigns for flu vaccine claiming 80% protection except in the elderly -- who were a major justification in the first place.
From year to year, UNvaccinated people do NOT get flu about 50-70% of the time. The State Health Department puts out a monthly California Morbidity and Mortality Report, which shows in North California an effectiveness rate of 15-25% for flu shots (except one year of 40%). This means that those who get flu shots have a 15-25% less chance of getting flu than those who are not vaccinated -- about the same as what the CDC claims but using the statistics differently.
I oppose flu shots because of the way they are made, which could be a contributor to the current drastic rise in Autoimmune Diseases of all kinds.
A word of explanation: A virus is a very tiny organism consisting of DNA or RNA in its core, and a shell of protein used to attach to a cell membrane in order to inject the DNA or RNA into the cell. This programs the cell’s chemistry into a factory to make many more virus particles which burst the cell and spread to other cells.
The body has several immune mechanisms to combat viruses. The first is mucous membranes such as nose, throat, lungs. Cells there mobilize to trap and kill viruses. Fever may be produced, burning out viruses without harming the body. There are T-cells and macrophages in the blood stream which mobilize to devour the viruses. And finally, as a piece of the process, antibodies are formed which inactivate them.
Because viruses are always mutating to evade the body’s defenses, LAST year’s vaccine would work no better than not vaccinating at all (so, an effectiveness rate of 60 or 70%). So experts meet soon after last year’s season and guess at what viruses might show up this year. They then GRIND UP those viruses into RANDOM PROTEINS using glass beads in rotating containers. These random proteins are then injected in the hope of stimulating ANTIBODIES against them.
Because the protein shell of the virus uses our own cell membranes as handles for attachment, they are similar in structure and chemistry to proteins in the cell membranes. If we make antibodies against viral RANDOM PROTEINS, we would also be making antibodies to RANDOM CELL MEMBRANE PROTEINS.
By definition, antibodies against our own cells is Autoimmune Disease. Such diseases predominating in recent years include Fibromyalgia, Thyroiditis, Rheumatoid Arthritis, Lupus Erythematosis, Sjogren’s, and likely even various types of colitis, multiple sclerosis, pericarditis, pulmonary fibrosis, etc.
Because of their relative ineffectiveness and potential harm, I recommend against flu shots for anyone of any age despite media pressure. For patients of mine who are already under constitutional treatment, if you get the flu, take a dose of your remedy. It works most of the time (though not always).
Another option is FluMist, a live vaccine which is taken as a nose spray. It costs a little less than twice as much, but it is as effective as the shot, lasts about 18 months, and should not have the Autoimmunity problem.
From the homeopathic point of view, it makes common sense to duplicate the ROUTE of administration of the virus. Flu in nature is acquired through mucous membranes, so all immune methods are involved. Bypassing such mechanisms by injecting random proteins does not make sense.
13 Nov 2005
http://www.billgrayhomeopathy.com/FluShot.html
The Case Against Routine Flu Shots
Influenza A and Influenza B annually cause epidemics that pose varying degrees of illness. For the average flu, symptoms of headache, muscle aches, fatigue, fever, sore throat are limited to a few days to a few weeks. Often there is a stubborn drainage cough that may last a couple of weeks more even after the main illness. Most people recover fully with no continuing problems. Only people with unusually fragile health are in danger from the flu.
The typical season begins in November and peaks in late January or early February, tailing off into April. Influenza viruses have a very high rate of mutation, which means they are constantly changing their physico-chemical structure to adapt to new environments. This frustrates vaccine producers, because immunity developed one year carries over to the next year only by chance.
Pharmaceutical companies were initially reluctant to pursue such a challenge because of lawsuits. In the 1970s, Gerald Ford launched a government effort to inject people with Swine Flu Vaccine on the concept that the human race periodically experiences a devastating influenza epidemic like the 1918 Influenza Pandemic; his belief was that we were due.
Based on homeopathic principles, I warned my patients not to take that vaccine for fear of neurological disease. In fact, Swine Flu itself never developed, but drug companies were sued massively over Guillain-Barre Syndrome, a chronic paralytic condition.
Drug companies stayed out of the field of vaccines until Congress provided vaccine makers with lawsuit protection. Since then they have sponsored media campaigns for flu vaccine claiming 80% protection except in the elderly -- who were a major justification in the first place.
From year to year, UNvaccinated people do NOT get flu about 50-70% of the time. The State Health Department puts out a monthly California Morbidity and Mortality Report, which shows in North California an effectiveness rate of 15-25% for flu shots (except one year of 40%). This means that those who get flu shots have a 15-25% less chance of getting flu than those who are not vaccinated -- about the same as what the CDC claims but using the statistics differently.
I oppose flu shots because of the way they are made, which could be a contributor to the current drastic rise in Autoimmune Diseases of all kinds.
A word of explanation: A virus is a very tiny organism consisting of DNA or RNA in its core, and a shell of protein used to attach to a cell membrane in order to inject the DNA or RNA into the cell. This programs the cell’s chemistry into a factory to make many more virus particles which burst the cell and spread to other cells.
The body has several immune mechanisms to combat viruses. The first is mucous membranes such as nose, throat, lungs. Cells there mobilize to trap and kill viruses. Fever may be produced, burning out viruses without harming the body. There are T-cells and macrophages in the blood stream which mobilize to devour the viruses. And finally, as a piece of the process, antibodies are formed which inactivate them.
Because viruses are always mutating to evade the body’s defenses, LAST year’s vaccine would work no better than not vaccinating at all (so, an effectiveness rate of 60 or 70%). So experts meet soon after last year’s season and guess at what viruses might show up this year. They then GRIND UP those viruses into RANDOM PROTEINS using glass beads in rotating containers. These random proteins are then injected in the hope of stimulating ANTIBODIES against them.
Because the protein shell of the virus uses our own cell membranes as handles for attachment, they are similar in structure and chemistry to proteins in the cell membranes. If we make antibodies against viral RANDOM PROTEINS, we would also be making antibodies to RANDOM CELL MEMBRANE PROTEINS.
By definition, antibodies against our own cells is Autoimmune Disease. Such diseases predominating in recent years include Fibromyalgia, Thyroiditis, Rheumatoid Arthritis, Lupus Erythematosis, Sjogren’s, and likely even various types of colitis, multiple sclerosis, pericarditis, pulmonary fibrosis, etc.
Because of their relative ineffectiveness and potential harm, I recommend against flu shots for anyone of any age despite media pressure. For patients of mine who are already under constitutional treatment, if you get the flu, take a dose of your remedy. It works most of the time (though not always).
Another option is FluMist, a live vaccine which is taken as a nose spray. It costs a little less than twice as much, but it is as effective as the shot, lasts about 18 months, and should not have the Autoimmunity problem.
From the homeopathic point of view, it makes common sense to duplicate the ROUTE of administration of the virus. Flu in nature is acquired through mucous membranes, so all immune methods are involved. Bypassing such mechanisms by injecting random proteins does not make sense.
13 Nov 2005
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From LewRockwell.com..Avoid Flu Shots, Take Vitamin D Instead by Donald W. Miller, Jr., MD
http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller27.html
Def. worth a read..
http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller27.html
Def. worth a read..
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When I was a little boy they came out with the flu vaccine.. And I remember people getting the shot all got sick.. This shit happens all the time.. They dont know what the fuck theyre doing and to make it LOOK like they know what theyre talking about theyll tell you to take it for your own good..
Let the OTHER people take the shot if they want. Ive never taken a flu shot in my life and Ive only gotten the flu once or twice ever.. Id rather get sick and take care of it that way than to have crap injected into me.
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Interesting read Jen, thanks.
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Ignorance is bliss....
Flu shots do not contain thiomersal which is the mercury agent this man speaks of. American & European vaccines have not contained mercury for several years. They have all been disposed of. And even if for some reason they were not thrown away, they have expired and have been/will be thrown away.
As a health care professional, I highly recommend you get a vaccine. It is the most cost effective form of preventive health care available. A vaccine costs you like $50. The costs of a doctor visit & prescription meds could easily be a couple hundred dollars depending on the illness being treated & what drugs are being prescribed. If you do not have a health insurance plan, getting vaccinated is a no-brainer. Health care is too damn expensive to be fooling around with your health because of irrational paranoia.
thats full of shit.
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mrocked --- I'm with Mike M. on this one. I survived college (which is a germ cesspool), and work in NYC (a huge germ cesspool), and I've never caught the flu (a cold every now and then).
I don't think vaccinations are evil and all that crap, but I think there is something to be said that the more stuff you preventatively immunize against, the more susceptible you may be to worse stuff in the future.
If you don't get sick very often in the first place, I'd say just let your natural immune system fight stuff off first.
Just my Joe-sixpack $0.02 cents.
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