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Short report from a friend of mine in Iowa

RonPaulFever

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A good friend of mine who is in Council Bluffs supporting Hillary tells me that Ron Paul people are EVERYWHERE.....but that there has been a skirmish or two with local police regarding illegal/improper solicitation of literature.....he says to warn everyone that soliciting literature in or around the mall is ILLEGAL and should be avoided.
 
A good friend of mine who is in Council Bluffs supporting Hillary tells me that Ron Paul people are EVERYWHERE.....but that there has been a skirmish or two with local police regarding illegal/improper solicitation of literature.....he says to warn everyone that soliciting literature in or around the mall is ILLEGAL and should be avoided.

That's too bad that your friend supports Hillary. She gives me the shivers.
 
A good friend of mine who is in Council Bluffs supporting Hillary tells me that Ron Paul people are EVERYWHERE.....but that there has been a skirmish or two with local police regarding illegal/improper solicitation of literature.....he says to warn everyone that soliciting literature in or around the mall is ILLEGAL and should be avoided.

Skirmishes? I don't like the sound of that. What kind of "skirmishes"...
 
Actually, it is not illegal per se.

The mall operators can give permission for expressive activities. Police only have reason to become involved is a property owner or agent calls them because someone wouldn't leave when asked, behaved "badly" etc.

Typically, a refusal to leave when asked to by cops could result in a trespass citation, and an order to appear before a court. Any jailing of the person would be up to the cops, unless the property owner effected a citizen's arrest, in which case police would probably transport the person to jail, not as the arrestors, but on the instructions of the property owner.
 
.....he says to warn everyone that soliciting literature in or around the mall is ILLEGAL and should be avoided.

"He says that..."

Thanks for the post, but, really, who cares what your Hillary supporter friend recommends. The fact that he wants us to stop questionable activities makes me want to chip-in more money to the troops in Iowa.
 
"He says that..."

Thanks for the post, but, really, who cares what your Hillary supporter friend recommends.

He's seen Ron Paul supporters getting arrested and getting into confrontations with police. I've known the guy for a while, he's honest and has no reason to lie to me.
 
It's real simple. Just leave when they ask you to. It is private property.

A couple of states do allow solicitation in parking lots, but Iowa isn't one of them. California, Colorado, New Jersey, and Massachusetts do... look up Pruneyard v Robins.
 
The activities are not "questionable". Nor are they illegal.

MOST campaigns do literature distribution at malls, independent grocers, strip malls, self service gas stations, etc.

In Iowa, as in many states, there are laws which side with the private property owner in allowing or forbidding expressive activities, pretty much at the whim of the property owners.

There ALWAYS is a way to gain access at some places.

Be aware of the law (Iowa grants power to the property owner and cops will enforce it with a trespass citation if the person being told to leave does not leave when the cop responds).

Probably, our troops have to do the basics and ask permission. Typically, it is NOT granted, because if they allow one they have to allow all. But, on an individual basis, it typically IS granted.

What is needed here is LOCAL RP supporters asking the guy who manages the store to let our folks be there, subject to their reasonable time, place and manner restrictions.

That is the best solution I can recommend. It usually works if committed Iowans will do this, our troops will not be hassled out there, at least not as much.
 
There are many other great ways to meet and greet voters, distribute literature, etc., which DO NOT have the same access hazards.

Since it seems there are many RP boots on the ground in Iowa, go for state owned or local government owned properties whenever possible.

Private venues which work because no one is there to tell you to leave include laundramats.

Laundramats if worked properly, as a route, are a personal favorite of mine in non access states like Iowa (states which do not protect expressive activities on busy, retail properties). The person simply maps out a list of laundramats and works it like a cycle, going from one to the other then back to the first one, and all over again.

Public sidewalks are excellent, and no sane cop will hassle you there. Pick a main shopping thoroughfare.

If there are heat controlled walkways connecting malls or downtown structures so people can walk above the traffic from one building to another, explore this. Those spots are excellent. Usually, you can gain access but sometimes it takes a lawyer to get an injunction, so that might not work here, but our folks there can try it by simply asking (best place to ask that question is at the local cop shop, the ones who will be called in the event of any dispute...since the aerial walkways go over public thoroughfares---the streets below----a good argument can be made that they are public sidewalks, or that at least our expressive rights weren't waived when the "privately owned" walkway was built.

Post offices are out, by federal law, and backed up by courts...so too are courthouses and jails, essentially every other public facility, like big libraries, are wide open. Libraries can be cool spots if they are busy enough.

Most campuses, public or private, are wide open.

As for shopping centers, where the crowds are biggest, it is possible to work the parking lots and not be noticed for some time. Just work in the lots until asked to leave. Our troops ALWAYS will be asked to leave first. No sane cops ever will arrest a person before politely asking them to cease the activity and leave. If you map out different parking lots at the beginning of your day, you can go in a route from one to the next, going to the next only when you were kicked out of the former.
 
I am in Iowa, not at the council bluffs camp but there have been no issues.

Only one minor breakout of a fight between ron paul people. It's bound to happen with 300 random college students that have been cut off from their normal habits for a week.
 
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