Ron Paul should talk about death tax!!!!!!!!

[nyrgoal99]

Everyone hates the death tax. He should mention this in debates.

Thoughts?

 

[margomaps]

Everyone hates the death tax. He should mention this in debates.

Thoughts?

Ron was, IIRC, the first to sign the "No Death Tax" pledge at the UNH debate in Sept. So it would appear that's an issue he definitely agrees with.

 

[Churchill2004]

Everyone hates it, but it's also not a unique issue for Dr. Paul. I don't know the run-down and which of the other candidates want to repeal it, but I know it's a "mainstream" enough opinion that it's been seriously debated in Congress several times. Heck, even Bush got behind repealing the estate tax. Debates should be for stressing how Paul is unique- obviously on foreign policy and also by showing that he wants to go a lot further than anyone else in slicing the size of the Federal government.

 

[Chester Copperpot]

The death tax as well as the AMT are simply *creative* ways for the govt to squeeze more money out of us because of the federal reserve... The Fairtax is the same thing... The govt's growth now has finally caught up to all the inflation theyve caused but theyre like a junkie that wants to keep getting high..... the only cure is getting more money from the people.

We need to rehab the country.. not only STOP these taxes.. but get rid of the income tax ENTIRELY!

 

[mavtek]

People are so stupid, the Death tax means nothing to average people. You are only accrued a death tax if you have a estate close to $1 million. It's not a tax on poor people. It was designed to limit dynasties to an extent.

 

[bdmarti]

I don't hate the death tax

I think Ron in wrong about the death tax.

IMO the death tax is useful in preventing aristocracy and/or plutocracy.

I have no problem with you having as much wealth as you can earn.

Income tax on wages = bad.
Progressive estate tax to prevent aristocracy = good.

Warren Buffett thinks the same...for whatever that's worth.

 

[specsaregood]

Progressive estate tax to prevent aristocracy = good.

I came in here to point out that I have met quite a few Republicans that support the estate tax, aka "death tax". For the reasons that it serves to limit aristocracies and serves to keep later generations from being completely lazy.

Many of these Republicans have pointed to european wealthy families as an example of why the estate tax can be a good thing.

 

[margomaps]

Nothing good can come from this discussion. If you think it is the proper role of the federal government to is "limit dynasties" and redistribute wealth, then you probably need to take another look at the constitution. You are walking near a very slippery slope that leads to the Valley of Ends Justify the Means.

 

[angrydragon]

If you believe in the redistribution of wealth, then it's the opposite of what Ron Paul has been preaching. The estate tax is exactly that, like the income tax, but at death.

 

[specsaregood]

If you believe in the redistribution of wealth, then it's the opposite of what Ron Paul has been preaching. The estate tax is exactly that, like the income tax, but at death.

Personally, I'm not arguing pro or con. Just pointing out that I have met a fair number of republicans that argue pro-estate tax.

 

[jamesmadison]

If you believe in the redistribution of wealth, then it's the opposite of what Ron Paul has been preaching. The estate tax is exactly that, like the income tax, but at death.

And what rights do you have after you die?

The death tax is a necessity to prevent an aristocracy.

 

[noxagol]

Don't forget that the end of inheritance rights it a plank of the Communist Manifesto.

If rich people become lazy and wasteful, then eventually they will not be rich anymore.

 

[jamesmadison]

Don't forget that the end of inheritance rights it a plank of the Communist Manifesto.

If rich people become lazy and wasteful, then eventually they will not be rich anymore.

Does everyone here justify positions using logical fallacies?

 

[noxagol]

And what rights do you have after you die?

The death tax is a necessity to prevent an aristocracy.

It is still your stuff, and most people have delegated what will happen to their stuff once they die. Who is the government to say that they can take part of it against the wishes of the owner. It is a gross violation of property rights.

 

[jamesmadison]

It is still your stuff, and most people have delegated what will happen to their stuff once they die. Who is the government to say that they can take part of it against the wishes of the owner. It is a gross violation of property rights.

You're dead. What do you mean it's your stuff?

 

[jamesmadison]

Government should be an entity that exists to promote liberty. IF YOU ARE AGAINST TAX, BY ALL MEANS, BECOME AN ANARCHIST.

 

[bdmarti]

If you believe in the redistribution of wealth, then it's the opposite of what Ron Paul has been preaching. The estate tax is exactly that, like the income tax, but at death.

The government needs some funds to operate.
Those funds are collected via taxes.
It seems to me that to equate all taxes as an unconstitutional redistrobution of wealth means one wishes to live in an anarchy.

Some taxes must be assesed in order for us to have courts and an army.

In addition: If you don't have rights when you are dead, and I would say you don't, then how can you possibly have property rights when you are dead?

 

[bdmarti]

wow...and here I am agreeing with jamesmadison after being very much against him in the kucinich thread earlier.

It takes all kinds to make Ron's campaign go.

Hi james.

 

[bdmarti]

Don't forget that the end of inheritance rights it a plank of the Communist Manifesto.

If rich people become lazy and wasteful, then eventually they will not be rich anymore.

I agree in theory that dumb or lazy rich people will lose their wealth and standing.

However, in practice, it requires a true moron to lose their wealth once at a certain level.

If you start off with billions of dollars you can make millions of dollars even by making conservative, practically brainless, investments.

The typical worker can't hope to compete with anyone who starts with such a head start in capital.

 

[Churchill2004]

You're dead. What do you mean it's your stuff?

You get to decide who it goes to before you die.

Abolition of inheritance rights is an idea straight from the Communist Manifesto.

Besides, all this crap about "aristocracy" is completely unfounded. All the estate tax does is funnel more money into the Federal government- it does nothing to prevent an aristocracy. Any one rich enough to be considered an "aristocrat" is going to be rich enough that half of their estate is still more than enough for their heirs to be "aristocrats".