Ron Paul requests to be taken off ballot in Montana

[heath.whiteaker]

http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/09/ron-paul-asks-to-be-taken-off-montana-ballot/

Ron Paul asks to be taken off Montana ballot
September 11th, 2008 · No Comments

As previously reported, the Constitution Party of Montana nominated Ron Paul for president and Michael Peroutka for vice president. The Montana CP was emboldened to do so after Paul said that he did not object to being nominated vice president by the Virginia Independent Green Party. (The VA Indy Greens eventually nominated Chuck Baldwin and Darrell Castle instead). But now, according to the Flathead Beacon, Paul says that the Montana CP nominated him without his permission, and he wants off the ballot.

“While I certainly appreciate the Constitution Party of Montana’s nomination, and all of the hard work of its members,” Paul said, “I am writing to respectfully request that you remove my name from the ballot in Montana as I did not seek nor consent to this nomination.”

Dave Hart, who coordinated Ron Paul’s Republican campaign during the Montana primary, says he’s surprised, because Paul allegedly told him that he accepted the nomination.

“I told him the Montana Constitution Party made this request. He said he was not going to encourage or discourage it, and as long as it didn’t require him to sign a form with the secretary of state, it would be fine,” Hart said. “I’m a little perplexed now.”

Regardless, it may now be too late for Paul’s name to be removed.

“We have received the letter, and we are looking at the law. So far, we are not sure that the law allows for anything to be done about the situation,” said Montana Secretary of State spokesman Bowen Greenwood.

One would assume that Paul would take similar action to be “un-nominated” in Louisiana, where he is paired with Barry Goldwater, Jr., however, one of the reasons he wants off the ballot in Montana is that his nomination denied Chuck Baldwin the CP’s ballot line. The Montana Constitution Party disaffiliated with the national party years ago.

 

[Austin]

Ah, well at least his reasoning makes sense. Though I think he will get more votes than Baldwin would have.

 

[torchbearer]

Yeh, I just answered some questions concerning this info for Louisiana's ballot:

a response to:

I read a different article and it explained why pretty clearly. RP said that Chuck Baldwin is the actual Constitution Party nominee and since you can't have two candidates from the same party, RP should be removed and Baldwin inserted instead. I assume Baldwin would be left off the ballot entirely otherwise and that goes 180 degrees against the 3rd party push lately.

"right.
In Louisiana, its different, Barr didn't get on the ballot, the reform party didn't get on the ballot. these people will need someone to vote for...
and judging by the people attending our meeting Spet. 20th, we really have a unity groud of americans working to return the government back to a constitutional republic.

Ron Paul on Louisiana's ballot actually adds to the anti-2-party system without taking away from another candidate."



and then in response to a PM question regarding this info i respond:

"in louisiana, its the delegates that qualify, not the candidate. he may be able to sue and get us name off the ballot, but he cannot remove the delegates... and since it would take a suit to get it removed... I say our slate is protected by state law. We didn't break any law to get it on... it requires no signature from the candidate.. even if he wanted to sign.. he couldn't.
That is my understanding of our state laws anyway."

 

[revolutionary8]

The Montana Constitution Party disaffiliated with the national party years ago

I can't blame Ron Paul at all, even though I think Montana rocks and the intentions were good.
I am not sure how this would work out for his Congressional district "race", so a nomination to the presidential ballot from a non-affiliated political party might muddy the waters.

 

[Standing Like A Rock]

you cant run twice in one state, right?

 

[heath.whiteaker]

I hope we are able to keep him on the ballot in LA

 

[torchbearer]

you cant run twice in one state, right?

Right. But in louisiana, its not ron paul running for president. Its a slate of independent electors running for office of presidential elector with the public intention of voting for ron paul/goldwater.
That is the most constitutional election law i've ever seen.

 

[revolutionary8]

Right. But in louisiana, its not ron paul running for president. Its a slate of independent electors running for office of presidential elector with the public intention of voting for ron paul/goldwater.
That is the most constitutional election law i've ever seen.

Both Republicans.

 

[torchbearer]

Both Republicans.

It matters not their party. Its the electors running for office.
The name paul/golwater only indicated their intention. does not mean paul and goldwater are the qualified candidates on the ballot.
They are not candidates on the ballot.
their party affiliation matters not.

 

[revolutionary8]

It matters not their party.

That is not true. You know what they say- "Democrats like to fall in love, Republicans like to fall in line."
I think you might be missing the bigger picture, that Parties and "Platforms" do matter. It might be unfortunate, but it is the gospel.
Take a look at why some people aren't voting for Baldwin for one example.
Take a look at why the Rs are so mad that RP won't endorse McInsane for another valid example. Hell at the RNC, we had to listen to that murdering Rudy who got LESS votes than RP!

 

[torchbearer]

That is not true. You know what they say- "Democrats like to fall in love, Republicans like to fall in line."
I think you might be missing the bigger picture, that Parties and "Platforms" do matter. It might be unfortunate, but it is the gospel.

I don't understand your point.
The whole benefit of causing McCain to lose Louisiana with a TRUE conservative slate pulling votes from him has a huge impact on who are our LAGOP leaders.
YOu don't understand the bigger picture from our perspective, and what will be required to take our state GOP back from the neocons.

 

[revolutionary8]

I don't understand your point.
The whole benefit of causing McCain to lose Louisiana with a TRUE conservative slate pulling votes from him has a huge impact on who are our LAGOP leaders.
YOu don't understand the bigger picture from our perspective, and what will be required to take our state GOP back from the neocons.

You can't take back the GOP if you run on the CP ballot. That was my point. You are trying to lump LA and MT in to one category. It is not the same. In LA, you have 2 REPUBLICANS running on the REPUBLICAN ballot. In MT, they have a REPUBLICAN runnning on a non-affiliated CONSISTUTION PARTY ballot.

 

[torchbearer]

You can't take back the GOP if you run on the CP ballot. That was my point. You are trying to lump LA and MT in to one category. It is not the same. In LA, you have 2 REPUBLICANS running on the REPUBLICAN ballot. In MT, they have a REPUBLICAN runnning on a non-affiliated CONSISTUTION PARTY ballot.

I'm talking about LA. not MT.
MT was wrong for replacing Baldwin.
In Louisiana, there is nothing Ron can do about what the electors wish to do.
We haven't displaced anyone, and we added a choice were others weren't present.
Two different things.

 

[revolutionary8]

I'm talking about LA. not MT.
MT was wrong for replacing Baldwin.
In Louisiana, there is nothing Ron can do about what the electors wish to do.
We haven't displaced anyone, and we added a choice were others weren't present.
Two different things.

Exactly my point. I am proud of LA, they did the right thing. MT, they had the right intentions, but proceded down the wrong path. I am still proud of MT, but I can completely understand that Ron Paul is VERY smart.

 

[torchbearer]

Exactly my point. I am proud of LA, they did the right thing. MT, they had the right intentions, but proceded down the wrong path.

ok- we are on the same page.
I'm very proud of louisiana, we are about to have the first ever meeting of the heads of the LALP and LACP along with membership from GOP, Dems, Greens, Reformers, and Indies.
We are what we should all strive to be... a unified slate of people dedicated to a return to constitutional government.

 

[revolutionary8]

ok- we are on the same page.
I'm very proud of louisiana, we are about to have the first every meeting of the heads of the LALP and LACP along with membership from GOP, Dems, Greens, Reformers, and Indies.
We are what we should all strive to be... a unified slate of people dedicated to a return to constitutional government.

That is all there is to it. There are MANY out there who coceptualize this sort of "goverment utopia" that does not and has not ever existed. As soon as these sorts of people "wake up" the better. There are many diferences in people, but I have found that the major discrepancy exists within some sort of "idea". We have reality on our side.

 

[Micah Dardar]

I don't understand your point.
The whole benefit of causing McCain to lose Louisiana with a TRUE conservative slate pulling votes from him has a huge impact on who are our LAGOP leaders.
YOu don't understand the bigger picture from our perspective, and what will be required to take our state GOP back from the neocons.

Hey do you think that our governor is paying attention yet? I didn't vote for him, but I've started to like him so far. I may vote for him next time if we can wrench him out of the hands of the neocons. I would like to see him join us. Maybe we will catch his attention.

 

[torchbearer]

Hey do you think that our governor is paying attention yet? I didn't vote for him, but I've started to like him so far. I may vote for him next time if we can wrench him out of the hands of the neocons. I would like to see him join us. Maybe we will catch his attention.

the state leadership knows exactly what i'm doing... I warned them, they crossed us.. now its payback.
If they push you, and you back down.. they will continue to push you down.
If they push you, and you push back harder... after awhile, they will stop.

 

[Sandra]

Hey do you think that our governor is paying attention yet? I didn't vote for him, but I've started to like him so far. I may vote for him next time if we can wrench him out of the hands of the neocons. I would like to see him join us. Maybe we will catch his attention.

It won't happen. His very first job at 23 years old was as appointed Sec. of Health and Hospitals by Governor Mike Foster. It wasn't because he was so smart but because he could take orders. His inexperience was his downfall and he was soon replaced when DHH plummeted further. Duh, what did they think a 23 year old was going to accomplish over those more experienced and qualified for the job? Now there are new standards for appointing agency secs.

But the same people backed and funded and steered his campaign for Governor. They will expect him to be the puppet he always was.

 

[Scotso]

Good for Ron Paul. Shows a lot of integrity from him, he wants the votes to go to Baldwin, whom the CP of Montana should have nominated to begin with.

Does anyone know how the Montana CP differs on abortion? I can't imagine a CP affiliate that AGREES with it, yet this is the reason listed for why they disaffiliated with the national party.