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Putin allying with Ahmadinejad?

adpierce

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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119258877156061641.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

Does this begin to send chills down anybody else's spine? The increasingly loud rhetoric between Iran and this country is now approaching what I consider a serious threat to national security. I do not believe Ahmadinejad has been traveling to all of these nations around the world for no reason. He's smart, and he knows if he's to stand any chance against the political war machine and yellow journalism of this nation that he's got to ally himself with other nations. Honestly, a formalizing of the relationship between Putin and Ahmadinejad is something that represents a hike in tensions. Putin has come out loudly against the Bush administration, and the Bush administration has been very antagonistic toward Putin. I do not see it a very difficult stretch to see Russia allying with Iran if this country ever engaged in military conflict with Iran. I never doubt the capability of our nation's troops, but this may be the closest we've gotten since the cold war to real military conflict.
 
This goes in general politics, not grassroots ;)

My opinion, this is great, no war with iran!
 
First Iran is going to assassinate Putin and now they're teaming up! I think Congressman Paul was right. A war with Iran would be a road to disaster for this nation.
 
not to mention china is rally pissed now after we awarded the Dali lama also . add turkey to that list to . way to go bush !!
 
http://www.boston.com/news/world/as.../summit_forges_military_ties_in_central_asia/

Six nations also consider forming an `energy club'

By Jehangir S. Pocha, Globe Correspondent | June 18, 2006
SHANGHAI -- The prospect that China, Russia, India, and Iran would form a quasi-military alliance that includes most of oil-rich Central Asia advanced last week at a regional security summit, heightening concerns of an emerging anti-US bloc.

Leaders of the six-member Shanghai Cooperation Organization, which includes China, Russia, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, and Kyrgyzstan, embraced a Chinese-led plan during the summit to increase military cooperation and discussed a Russian proposal to create a regional ``energy club" that would exclude the United States. The SCO also indicated it would soon invite Iran, India, Pakistan, and Mongolia -- nations that have observer status in the organization -- to become full members.
That the SCO provided Iran with a diplomatic embrace at a time when the United States is trying to isolate Tehran over its nuclear program is yet another instance of how the grouping is thumbing its nose at Washington, analysts say.
``We are on the right track for expansion of relations and ties, and the SCO can play a very important role in promoting peace, tranquility and sustainable security in the region," Iran's president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, said at a news conference Friday.

At the heart of this power play is a battle for influence in strategically located Central Asia and the energy-rich region around the Caspian Sea.
The area has always been seen by Beijing, Moscow, Tehran, and New Delhi as their backyard. But in the months after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, Washington surprised these regional powers by using the international alarm over global terrorism to establish new military bases in Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, and Kyrgyzstan.

Washington has also used its clout to win major energy deals in the area and to help create the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline, which allows Western countries to directly access the Caspian Sea's energy reserves without needing to go through Russia or Iran.

Shi Yinhong, director of the American Studies program at the People's University in Beijing, said concerns in the region also rose last year when the United States supported revolutions that toppled pro-Russian and pro-Chinese allies in Ukraine, Georgia, and Kyrgyzstan, and replaced them with pro-Western democrats.
Madhav Nalapat, professor of geopolitics at the Manipal University in southern India, said the SCO, which began five years ago with a modest goal of managing Central Asia's ethnic tensions, has become the diplomatic shell under which the region's rising powers and disgruntled dictators are pooling their common umbrage against the geopolitical dominance of the United States.

``The SCO is well on track to becoming an organization that directly challenges the geopolitical reach of the US," he said.
So far, Beijing has refused to admit the United States into the SCO, and assiduously united Central Asia's powers in their opposition to the US presence in the region.

Last July, as soon as Iran, India, and Pakistan were inducted into the SCO as observers, the organization also formally asked the United States to withdraw its troops from member states. Since then, Uzbekistan has asked the United States to vacate an air base it set up after the Sept. 11 attacks.

Both Russia and India have also established military bases in Tajikistan, not far from the US base in that country.

The economic endgame in all this is to dilute Washington's hold over the Caspian Sea's energy reserves, said Robert Karniol, Asia-Pacific editor for Jane's Defense Weekly. China and India, the world's fastest-growing energy consumers, want to divert Central Asia's energy resources toward their own economies, and Iran and Russia, the region's largest energy suppliers, are keen to reduce their dependence on sales to the West, Karniol said.

Over the last year, China, India, Russia, and Iran have signed energy deals valued at about $500 billion with one another and also have begun to talk of about creating a Central Asian ``energy club" that would have its own pipeline network and energy market.

India and China have raised Washington's ire with a proposal to convert the prized Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline, which has been designed to bring gas to Europe, into a feeder for Asia. India wants to extend the pipeline to Syria, from where oil would be loaded onto tankers and shipped to Asia through the Red Sea.
However, the seamless evolution of the SCO into a cohesive grouping is far from certain. India is increasingly deepening ties with the United States. Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Mongolia are also US allies.

SCO members also need to learn how to work together at a strategic level, analysts say. For example, Ahmadinejad was adamant in saying the world's problems existed because of governments and leaders who have turned away from the teachings of God. That may not have pleased his hosts in China, which is officially atheist.
 
Leadership Arrogance

The nation's leadership is arrogant not to recognize the very real threat of engaging a nation like Iran in military conflict. Iran is a relatively advanced nation. They certainly can't mount an attack against the U.S., but they could defend themselves much better than either Afghanistan or Iraq. Plus the more we spread ourselves throughout the world militarily the weaker our forces will be if we do engage Iran in a hot war. Plus with an ally like Russia, now Iran could pose a physical threat to the national security. Don't think that our leaders in Washington are smart enough to recognize the real threat an Iran-Russian alliance could pose against the country. Hubris is something that has caused many nations to fall apart before, and this nation is not immune. Ron Paul is the one light saying things that could save this nation.
 
Learning from History

Anybody else starting to see a system of alliances beginning to form worldwide? Anybody else starting to see similarities with the way the world was politically structured before world war 1 began? Even world war 2 was something that could reasonably seen as an extension of hostilities left over from world war 1.
 
Somebody's got to stand up against this evil war machine in America. What better force to take them on than another evil war machine. Welcome the rebirth of the "Cold War". It gives us more time to get the message out.
 
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