Please Explain How Obama is the Winner

[Lois]

Can somebody help me out here

Not that I like Hillary Clinton, but I just hate Obama so much -- it's his attitude and demeanor, I think

Plus the way the media was so biased to Obama, and now since yesterday, have declared that Obama has the Nomination.

First of all, for a long time before the primaries yesterday, the media was saying Obama was expected to easily win both of them. And then last night even before the polls closed in Montana and when only 38% of the votes were counted in South Dakota, the news people all announced that Obama was the Democratic nominee and Hillary was out.

And today all the news is that Obama won the nomination.

Well, this morning, I checked out the results of yesterday's primaries and I find out that there were 3 primaries and that Hillary won two of them.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#SD

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#NM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21229217

And if you add up the number of delegates Obama and Hillary won, Hillary got 30 and Obama got 27. But I never saw any news that said that Hillary won the South Dakota and the New Mexico primaries. How come?

So I thought there was a certain specific number of delegates that Hillary or Obama had to get in order to secure the nomination - it was something like 2,118 -- and I had read that neither one of them would be able to achieve that many delegates after all the primaries. So how come he suddenly has the nomination?

Does it have to do with the Superdelegates? I had thought we would not know which candidate had the most superdelegates until ALL the superdelegates declared, and as far as I know now, they have not all declared. So how has Obama won the nomination???

Thanks.

Lois

 

[acptulsa]

Yeah, I was wondering about that too. I figured either several superdelegates declared as the last polls were closing, or the MSM was lying to us. Didn't care enough to go find out which, though.

 

[dannno]

Because Fox News says so.

 

[salsero96]

Does it have to do with the Superdelegates? I had thought we would not know which candidate had the most superdelegates until ALL the superdelegates declared, and as far as I know now, they have not all declared. So how has Obama won the nomination???
[/B]

Yeah.. The MSM is counting the superdelegates. Which IMO is nonsense. superdelegates can vote for whoever they want. Even if they said that they will vote vote Obama, they can still change their mind at any given time.

IMO, Hillary has just as good a chance to win the nomination that Obama has.

There is a reason for having "superdelegates"
There is a reason for having a convention.

People seem to forget this.

 

[SLSteven]

Because Fox News says so.

 

[lynnf]

some 'splainin' to do

Can somebody help me out here

Not that I like Hillary Clinton, but I just hate Obama so much -- it's his attitude and demeanor, I think

Plus the way the media was so biased to Obama, and now since yesterday, have declared that Obama has the Nomination.

First of all, for a long time before the primaries yesterday, the media was saying Obama was expected to easily win both of them. And then last night even before the polls closed in Montana and when only 38% of the votes were counted in South Dakota, the news people all announced that Obama was the Democratic nominee and Hillary was out.

And today all the news is that Obama won the nomination.

Well, this morning, I checked out the results of yesterday's primaries and I find out that there were 3 primaries and that Hillary won two of them.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#SD

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#NM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21229217

And if you add up the number of delegates Obama and Hillary won, Hillary got 30 and Obama got 27. But I never saw any news that said that Hillary won the South Dakota and the New Mexico primaries. How come?

So I thought there was a certain specific number of delegates that Hillary or Obama had to get in order to secure the nomination - it was something like 2,118 -- and I had read that neither one of them would be able to achieve that many delegates after all the primaries. So how come he suddenly has the nomination?

Does it have to do with the Superdelegates? I had thought we would not know which candidate had the most superdelegates until ALL the superdelegates declared, and as far as I know now, they have not all declared. So how has Obama won the nomination???

Thanks.

Lois

ok, here's what I heard some pundit say on a talking-head show:
there are 2,000+ needed to win and with all the delegates so far alloted, Hillary would need to garner 90% of the superdelegates to beat Obama --not going to happen unless hell freezes over! that is why she loses.

lynn

 

[pahs1994]

Because he is so charismatic!!! And the MSM was suckin him off since day one

 

[brandon]

Fox News

What's that?

 

[Lois]

Oh, here are a couple explanations I just found --

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080603/ap_on_el_pr/primary_rdp

"Obama sealed his nomination, according to The Associated Press tally, based on primary elections, state Democratic caucuses and delegates' public declarations as well as support from 19 delegates and "superdelegates" who privately confirmed their intentions t/o the AP. It takes 2,118 delegates to clinch the nomination at the convention in Denver this summer, and Obama had 2,128 by the AP count.

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http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/06/04/1107917.aspx

*** Where we stand: Obama has picked up at least three more superdelegates since last night: from DCCC chair Chris Van Hollen, New Hampshire Party chair Raymond Buckley and NJ Sen. Frank Lautenberg. Obama is ahead in pledged delegates per the NBC hard count (1,743 to 1,641), Edwards’ pledged delegates (21-0), superdelegates (395.5 to 292), total delegates (2,159.5 to 1,933), the total number of contests won (33 to 22), and the non-Puerto Rico popular vote by 158,155 (17,449,889 to 17,291,734). Two notes: 1) we’re not including Texas in this contest count, given that Clinton won the primary but Obama won the caucus and netted the most total Texas delegates, and 2) after Saturday’s DNC decision, we’re now counting Florida and Michigan as wins for Clinton -- but, per guidance from the DNC, we’re including Florida’s popular vote but not Michigan’s. More on the popular vote… If you count Puerto Rico, Obama still leads by 16,493 votes (17,571,347 to 17,554,854). The only measure in which Clinton leads in the popular vote is if you include Michigan. When you add those results and don’t give Obama “Uncommitted,” Clinton’s lead increases to 311,658 (17,883,005 to 17,571,347). Of course, none of our popular vote counts includes votes in the Dems Abroad primary, Guam, Virgin Islands, Maine, or Washington State.

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And I just heard on the radio that Dean wants all the superdelegates to declare by Friday.

 

[Lois]

Hmmm -- I want proof of this --

"...support from 19 delegates and "superdelegates" who privately confirmed their intentions t/o the AP.."

The AP could be lying.

 

[Truth Warrior]

On someone's piece of paper he has enough delegates for the nomination.

Whose?

Beats me, and I don't care.

 

[Conza88]

What are you all thinking?!!?!?

They said McCain has clinched the nomination................................................................. That he's the "OFFICIAL" nominee....

SAME SHIT APPLIES FOR Obama vs Clinton.

Think.. please.

 

[pahs1994]

Obama clinched it when he became a Senator. I remember watching a television program from years and years ago when he was elected. They showed a clip off him walking around shaking hands and The narrator was already starting the propaganda, saying that he is very presidential and a run would be in his future.

 

[No1ButPaul08]

Obama cleaned up on Superdelegates yesterday. Many of them pledged to both candidates to not commit until all the voting finished.

As previously mentioned the supers could still strip the nomination from Obama, which may happen if the rumored Michelle Obama video actually exist