Philisophical ramblings...

[LibertiORDeth]

I have started lately questioning the beliefs I have, the same ones I was raised with and have always believed. I was raised as a fundamental, born again Christian, and always accepted it as fact until now, when I think about whether or not it makes sense. Take the very basis of it: salvation, which is what the Bible clearly teaches, and basically if you trust in Christ as your savior, You will go to heaven, if you dont you go to hell. Even if you turn away from him you cant lose your salvation, but that makes no sense, because if you trust in another religion and believe it is true, you go to hell. If you are a Christian who doesn't act "Christ like" you still go to heaven. I have thus become a nihilist.

 

[dannno]

I have thus become a nihilist.

Ah, that must be exhausting.

 

[constituent]

I have started lately questioning the beliefs I have, the same ones I was raised with and have always believed. I was raised as a fundamental, born again Christian, and always accepted it as fact until now, when I think about whether or not it makes sense. Take the very basis of it: salvation, which is what the Bible clearly teaches, and basically if you trust in Christ as your savior, You will go to heaven, if you dont you go to hell. Even if you turn away from him you cant lose your salvation, but that makes no sense, because if you trust in another religion and believe it is true, you go to hell. If you are a Christian who doesn't act "Christ like" you still go to heaven. I have thus become a nihilist.

we think of our country as "one nation indivisible," but cannot afford the same respect to our creator.


go figure.

 

[pacelli]

Ah, that must be exhausting.

Jeff Lebowski to Bunny Lebowski, poolside, talking about Karl Hungus who was passed out in the pool with a bottle of liquor.

 

[dannno]

Jeff Lebowski to Bunny Lebowski, poolside, talking about Karl Hungus who was passed out in the pool with a bottle of liquor.

Donnie: They're Nazis Walter??

Jeffrey: No Donnie, they're Nihilists..

Walter: Nihilists! Fuck me. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.

 

[Kludge]

Nihilism is balls-to-the-wall awesome.

Actual half-serious conversation between an Algebra II teacher and I...

"Why didn't you do your homework?"

"There was no application for it. It would not change anything in my -- or anyone other person's -- life except for the arbitrary number you write down in the grade book -- which, correct or not, will be trusted as a measurement of my effort and intelligence. I don't enjoy doing homework, so I didn't do it."

"You need to get good grades to go to college."

"If I'm lucky, I'll die painlessly before my laziness catches up with me. And if not, I can always kill myself if life becomes a chore. With luck, they'll accept my mediocre grades after looking at my standardized test scores."

"We can only hope..." <-- I'm unsure what she was hoping for...

 

[Nirvikalpa]

I can understand why you are questioning your beliefs.

I am a Christian, but before that I was a pagan. Still today even though I consider myself a Christian I still hold a lot of my pagan philosophies dear to me (ie, respect animals, animals have a soul, respect nature). Tthe only thing that has changed since then is I believe in Jesus. However, I am not a Christian in a broad sense and I am shunned by a lot.

I don't take the Bible literally, and I never have. I curse (a lot) and I honestly feel if God is going to strike me down for saying 'fuck' while he lets rapists and murderers in heaven, then well, I would rather go to Hell. I'm a Christian that first and foremost follows the Beatitudes. This means if I see a Salvation Army donation basket and I have the choice to put 5 bucks in there or go buy a necklace, I will donate. I try not to buy anything that is beyond what I absolutely need. I try not to waste anything, and I try to help everybody.

Tthe problem with Christians is that a lot do not act the part of the Good Samaritan. There's nothing wrong with humans acting humanely to each other and helping each other. But no, Christians today don't practice what comes out of their own mouths. They'll preach that cheating and being adulterous is wrong, and you'll catch them doing it. They'll preach to you to give money to the poor and they walk past the homeless all the time turning their cheek against them.

I'm a Christian that feels everyone can get into heaven, and not just Christians. It's sad for me to say many of the Christians I have met I feel won't go to heaven. I see more athiests, agnostics, pagans, etc. acting more 'Christianly.' I know a lot of my friends are better than me in so many ways and they do not believe in God, but I doubt that will stop God from letting agood human being have eternal life. That's my belief.

All the people in your life Luke pushed you away from the true teachings of Christianity (IMHO), as so many Christians today are. Your parents are controlling, as well as your sibling(s), and like I have said to you in the chatroom that leads to many many harsh feelings and views. I hope your searching for a religion or not having a religion works for you and you find one and it fits you well, no matter what it may or may not be. It wasn't the Church that brought me to Christianity, not priests, not friends, not family, not any of these by far - I did. Through work, volunteering, and experiencing the world I knew where I fit in. Maybe you do fit in with the nihilists, maybe you fit in with the Christians, maybe you one day will be a pagan. No parent or sibling can give you a true understanding of something - only you can.

Good luck. Hope I sorta made sense.

 

[Grimnir Wotansvolk]

This is very good to hear, man. Free your mind from God.

 

[dannno]

geez, give.me.liberty's an expert on both sex and religion!!

Amazing, amazing

I completely agree with what she said, but I guess I'd identify myself more as agnostic..

 

[yongrel]

Why be a nihilist when you could just be apathetic. The opposite of belief in God isn't being a nihilist; it's just not believing in God. It doesn't mean that you have to suddenly be so darn pessimistic and nihilistic.

There's no need to take an extreme position just because.

 

[dannno]

Why be a nihilist when you could just be apathetic. The opposite of belief in God isn't being a nihilist; it's just not believing in God. It doesn't mean that you have to suddenly be so darn pessimistic and nihilistic.

There's no need to take an extreme position just because.

What's the big difference between apathy and nihilism? Nihilism is the belief in nothing, apathy means not caring enough to do anything, ya?

 

[Kludge]

Why be a nihilist when you could just be apathetic. The opposite of belief in God isn't being a nihilist; it's just not believing in God. It doesn't mean that you have to suddenly be so darn pessimistic and nihilistic.

There's no need to take an extreme position just because.

Danged emos!


Join the party, we've got new misers!

(In search of an amusing image, I instead found this nifty website with a bajillion third parties! http://www.dcpoliticalreport.com/PartySymbols/ )

(While there, I learned that the Internet Party merged with the Constitution Party! No joke!)


(Oh, and there's a National Nihilist Party, which ironically ran someone for sheriff in 1994

) http://nihilists.net/sheriff.html

 

[yongrel]

What's the big difference between apathy and nihilism? Nihilism is the belief in nothing, apathy means not caring enough to do anything, ya?

Semantic arguments are fun.

Nihilism is a distinct branch of philosophy that postulates many things, including a total absence of meaning and purpose to life.

I, for one, choose not to align myself with a school of philosophical thought with which I do not agree. Just because something sounds deep and intellectual does not mean I should label myself as a subscriber.

 

[Josh_LA]

If you are a Christian who doesn't act "Christ like" you still go to heaven. I have thus become a nihilist.

Exactly, you've woken up to logic and away from stupidity.

By this standard, Hitler who was a Catholic is in heaven and Jews who died under him are unsaved, in Hell , gotta love God!

 

[LibertiORDeth]

Why be a nihilist when you could just be apathetic. The opposite of belief in God isn't being a nihilist; it's just not believing in God. It doesn't mean that you have to suddenly be so darn pessimistic and nihilistic.

There's no need to take an extreme position just because.

1. The name is way to freakin cool
2. Believing that life is meaningless is what I have believed all along except for the obstruction of what I was taught.

 

[yongrel]

1. The name is way to freakin cool
2. Believing that life is meaningless is what I have believed all along except for the obstruction of what I was taught.

1. Which way? North or South?
2. Go cry, emo kid.

 

[LibertiORDeth]

I also hate and disrespect everyone unless they prove that they deserve respect.

 

[dannno]

Originally Posted by lukeownzu View Post
If you are a Christian who doesn't act "Christ like" you still go to heaven. I have thus become a nihilist.

Exactly, you've woken up to logic and away from stupidity.

By this standard, Hitler who was a Catholic is in heaven and Jews who died under him are unsaved, in Hell , gotta love God!

One could argue that only God judges man's heart, and if he is really a Christian. Just because somebody says they are a Christian doesn't mean they are one. Just like somebody who says they are a conservative doesn't neccessarily mean they are one.

Therefore God could judge Hitler as not really being a Christian, and then turn around and say that a non-religious person who did act good towards his fellow man was acting Christ-like and could then get into heaven.. if that's what you want to believe.

 

[LibertiORDeth]

One could argue that only God judges man's heart, and if he is really a Christian. Just because somebody says they are a Christian doesn't mean they are one. Just like somebody who says they are a conservative doesn't neccessarily mean they are one.

Therefore God could judge Hitler as not really being a Christian, and then turn around and say that a non-religious person who did act good towards his fellow man was acting Christ-like and could then get into heaven.. if that's what you want to believe.

Sure but the only reason I was a Christian in the first place was because of the Bible, and without believing in the Bible being 100% accurate religion IMHO is pointless. Especially since most religions are a knock off of Judaism/Christianity.

 

[constituent]

most religions are a knock off of Judaism/Christianity.

lol. Judaism and Christianity (note, not Judaism/Christianity) are knock-offs.

you've got a loooooooooooooooooooooong way to go.