Paul at 6% nationally in Nov...which is grand, because...

[Zydeco]

Ron Paul is at 6% in the national polls right now...and that is just fine, because in mid-December 2003, CBS News had the Democratic candidates polling like so:

Dean 23%
Clark 10%
Lieberman 10%
Gephardt 6%
Sharpton 5%
Kerry 4%
Edwards 2%
Moseley-Braun 1%

Remember those days? Mickey Kaus was saying Kerry should drop out...but instead, beginning less than 4 weeks after this poll, he won 45 primaries and rolled to the nomination.

How did the "top-tier" in this poll do? Dean won Vermont and DC, Clark won Oklahoma, and Lieberman didn't win squat.

So keep doing what you're doing, and remember: the polls truly, truly, truly don't mean jack until a week or two before the first caucus. 80% of people aren't even paying attention until then.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/12/17/opinion/polls/main589167.shtml

 

[MRoCkEd]

Great Post

 

[klamath]

Absolutely true!

 

[terlinguatx]

...

 

[gagnonstudio]

Nice, we are in a great position. We are on the upslope, and will peak at the right time!

 

[ronpaulfan]

The media destroyed Howard Dean by replaying this 900+ times right before the primaries: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDwODbl3muE

Don't let that happen to Dr. Paul. Educate & Inform ASAP.

 

[Bradley in DC]

Wahoo, beating Sharpton!

 

[Adamsa]

How the heck did Kerry do it with those figures?

 

[Zydeco]

Here's another classic: 6 weeks before the 2003 New Hampshire primary, Zogby polls Dean at 42% there and Kerry at 12%!

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=763

And how'd that turn out for ya, Howard? Kerry beat Dean, 39%-26%.

Why do we even look at the polls? They seem to be close to meaningless at this point.

 

[Zydeco]

Holy .... Kerry at 4% at this time in '03.

Not even -- way *after* this time! The 2008 Iowa Caucus is now 7 weeks away; this poll was taken just 4 weeks before the 2004 Iowa Caucus! And it's not as if Iowa was some especially strong state for Kerry, rather the contrary.

The polls really are meaningless at this point. Dean was leading them all, by a wide margin, and came up in the end with just 1 state plus this s***hole I live in called DC.

(sinkhole, the asterisks conceal the word sinkhole...it's built on a swamp)

 

[Richandler]

We are gonna win because we are big and strong and we will be heard. We'll be heard across this nation and no longer will we the people accept the tyranny of government again.

 

[Adamsa]

We'll win if every Ron Paul supporter in Iowa votes.

 

[skinzterpswizfan]

I don't think we should be celebrating that we are under 10% in the polls just because Kerry was too. Granted, it means that we certainly aren't out of it, but low poll numbers doesn't necessarily equal the Republican nomination.

 

[Zydeco]

I don't think we should be celebrating that we are under 10% in the polls just because Kerry was too. Granted, it means that we certainly aren't out of it, but low poll numbers doesn't necessarily equal the Republican nomination.

Right, but the point is that we should not be *discouraged* by the one metric we aren't winning. We've got more meetup groups, more internet buzz, larger crowds, all the online polls, all but one of the post-debate polls -- and now, more money raised (not even counting what's gonna happen on Dec. 16th).

The one metric they always shove in our faces are these "scientific" polls, and we see now how scientific they are -- 4 weeks before Iowa 2004, they had John Kerry at 4%, in sixth out of eight. And he won 45 states.

And we're going to win 45 states as well.

 

[dt_]

did Kerry win Iowa?

 

[Stealth4]

So what was it that made Kerry win? I dont remember.

Was it a single event that made him popular?

 

[quickmike]

Ron Paul is at 6% in the national polls right now...and that is just fine, because in mid-December 2003, CBS News had the Democratic candidates polling like so:

Dean 23%
Clark 10%
Lieberman 10%
Gephardt 6%
Sharpton 5%
Kerry 4%
Edwards 2%
Moseley-Braun 1%

So youre saying Ron Paul is Gephardt???????

 

[paulitics]

Kerry was also a skull and bones CFR member and was a MAJOR insider. So was Bill Clinton who was an underdog, as well as Carter. Not drawing conclusions, but it seems to help your odds a little, especially if your a democrat because history just amazingly keeps repeating itself.

 

[Zydeco]

did Kerry win Iowa?

Yes, Kerry 38%, Edwards 32%, Dean 18%, Gephardt 11%

Gephardt and Dean were way ahead in the polls just a couple of weeks before Iowa, when they both began running negative ads against each other. What happened? Voters got turned off and they fell to 3rd and 4th.

Which is one reason I strongly feel RP should NOT go negative, neither in Iowa or anywhere else.

 

[RPFTW!]

I think Kerry was just a puppet, I have no idea how people actually liked him,where the hell did he come from the media and diebold anointed him as the nominee to go up against Bush and lose