Occupy Wall Street dudes want the Tea Party to show up

[metamars]

Just heard that about 15 minutes ago on the LiveStream embedded on Liveblog of #OccupyWallStreet: Day Nine, Pressing On after Mass Arrests Yesterday

Also, they said that wanted Bill O'Reilly to show up.

Good for them!

IMO, they should set aside a whole day to INVITE THE TEA PARTIES.

Basically, shame them into coming, if that's what it takes.

IMO, that would lead to transpartisan dialogs that would give the plutocrats conniptions. At least, I hope it would!


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In retrospect, I think I should have used a different verb than "support", in my poll. I don't know any concise way to say this, but the idea that I should have pushed is along the lines of "parallel demonstration/dialog". Tea Partiers are not going to see eye-to-eye with the demonstrators on many issues (even bearing in mind that they're a heterogeneous group; some probably won't even have a good idea of what they should be protesting, in the sense of seeking a causal remedy).

Anyway, I wasn't suggesting that Tea Partiers support every last thing that Occupy Wall Street will say they support. (Verbal support for a notion and actually doing it are two different things. E.g., somebody posted a quote about "seizing the workplace". Ahh-h-h-h, I don't think most people are going to do that, especially in a crappy economy where you'll have trouble finding another job after your boss has the security guards throw you out of his office - thus ending your office 'occupation' - and then promptly fires you.)

 

[Petar]

Would be really nice is Tea Parties could show up and focus on demanding an end to corporate welfare.

This is definitely a short bridge to the left that we should focus on building.

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

They'd only be attacked and vilified if they showed up.

 

[metamars]

I have cross-posted this at DailyKos and FireDogLake. DailyKos allows me to post a poll, also.

Currently, 19 people have voted at DailyKos, and 63% say "Yes" - they think that the Tea Parties should support Occupy Wall Street.

 

[LibertyEsq]

From what I've seen of this the people doing it are more about spreading socialism than ending corporate welfare. I saw a few "capitalism won't work" signs in the pictures of the crowd, not something I'd get near

 

[metamars]

No, I don't think that's true of most of them. See, e.g., the Daily Kos poll results that I just posted.

Unfortunately, it may be true of many of them, but there's only one way to find out. Currently, 63% is saying "yes" to the poll question on DailyKos.

 

[Pizzo]

Hedges’ says we have a choice between fighting for an “egalitarian and open society get out in the streets” and engage in civil disobedience [etc] or we cave in to proto-fascists like the Tea Party, right wing militia groups, etc.


The above is the only reference to the Tea Party I saw on the link in the OP. Was this said in the livestream chat?

 

[Revolution9]

Hi metamars. I don't think we need this form of activism associated with us. Please disassociate this forum post from those socialist strongholds you crossposted to. And don't do it again. We do not need this kind of publicity. Their action is a 1968 hippie script written by the MIC. This revolution is much smarter and informed about the real deal than these agitpropists. Stick with us and we will show you how to discern cointelpro ops.

Best Regards
Rev9

 

[Revolution9]

No, I don't think that's true of most of them. See, e.g., the Daily Kos poll results that I just posted.

Unfortunately, it may be true of many of them, but there's only one way to find out. Currently, 63% is saying "yes" to the poll question on DailyKos.

Of course they would. Then the MSM can spin the living frak out of it. Best let the lefties be impotent on their own steam instead of dragging folks who have a much greater possibility to be on our winning team into their fray.

Rev9

 

[metamars]

sgt120 said:

They'd only be attacked and vilified if they showed up.

Also, let's say that 1/3 of the Occupy Wall Streeters would "attack and villify". Assuming you mean verbally attack (seriously, they're practicing non-violence wrt the cops, so I don't think they're going to turn around and start beating up civilians. Even if they wanted to, there's all those cops there, who would arrest them. They would ruin their reputation for non-violence, and get arrested for assault and battery...), there's still 2/3 that they could have a conversation with. One thing that could be discussed is Ron Paul being the only peace candidate - the Tea Partiers who lean towards Ron Paul could ask the Occupy Wall Streeters to register as Republicans and vote for Paul in the primary.

(There's probably going to be other Democrats, including Alduos Tyler, but right now there's no other peace option.)

 

[metamars]

Would be really nice is Tea Parties could show up and focus on demanding an end to corporate welfare.

This is definitely a short bridge to the left that we should focus on building.

Absolutely. I think most of the country knows that GE doesn't pay taxes, which you could consider a form of corporate welfare.

 

[metamars]

Hi metamars. I don't think we need this form of activism associated with us. Please disassociate this forum post from those socialist strongholds you crossposted to. And don't do it again. We do not need this kind of publicity. Their action is a 1968 hippie script written by the MIC. This revolution is much smarter and informed about the real deal than these agitpropists. Stick with us and we will show you how to discern cointelpro ops.

Best Regards
Rev9

I don't think it could possibly be so cut and dried. Your comment reminds of the brainless, endlessly repeated claim that all Tea Partiers are bots for the Koch brothers, because they did indeed sink a lot of cash into helping the Tea Parties start.

There will doubtlessly be people working to coop the Occupy Wall Street protests, to try and make sure that they don't threaten power. It's up to the participants to make sure that they fail, just like it's up to Tea Party rank-and-file to make sure that they're not just dupes of the Koch brothers.

 

[mport1]

The Tea Party is basically just big government Republicans. Why would they want to join this protest?

 

[NJames]

Here is the "call to action" for Occupy Wall Street. This tells you what motivates the protesters and what they would like to see happen. So, checking it against my own beliefs...

A system based on the existence of have and have nots, where inequality is inherent to the system, will inevitably lead to a situation where the haves find a way to rule, whether by the sword or by the dollar.

No! This is anti-freedom speak.

If you agree that a person is entitled to the sweat of their brows, that being talented at management should not entitle others to act like overseers and overlords, that all workers should have the right to engage in decisions, democratically, then you might be one of us.

No. This suggest that the manager is not entitled to be paid for increasing the efficiency of those he manages. Obviously wrong.

life trumps property

What does that mean? I don't believe that there is a conflict between the right to life and the right to property. Specifically, my right to life doesn't give me claim on your property.

We call for workers to not only strike, but seize their workplaces collectively, and to organize them democratically. We call for students and teachers to act together, to teach democracy, not merely the teachers to the students, but the students to the teachers. To seize the classrooms and free minds together.

HELL NO! They are advocating labor violence.

This is not a true liberty movement. No one should support it.

 

[sailingaway]

The Tea Party is basically just big government Republicans. Why would they want to join this protest?

that isn't true. Some are some aren't. The originals weren't. And there is a common theme here, but getting involved in someone else's protest and not being able to remotely control what it turns into isn't the same as organizing one from scratch. I'm not saying tea party shouldn't go, since there is a huge anti corporatist element to the tea parties, but they haven't organized for this, and would not be setting the tone of the event, nor remotely controlling what happens there and what message is sent. I'm sure that matters to them.

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edit, and from the post above me, the primary organizers may over lap but are coming from a very different place.

 

[Petar]

Tea-Partiers should go there and inform the other activists that they want to end corporate welfare.

 

[Dr.3D]

Tea-Partiers should go there and inform the other activists that they want to end corporate welfare.

Shouldn't even have to go there to do that, unless of course OWS has a reading comprehension problem.

 

[metamars]

Here is the "call to action" for Occupy Wall Street. This tells you what motivates the protesters and what they would like to see happen. So, checking it against my own beliefs...

A system based on the existence of have and have nots, where inequality is inherent to the system, will inevitably lead to a situation where the haves find a way to rule, whether by the sword or by the dollar.
No! This is anti-freedom speak.

If you agree that a person is entitled to the sweat of their brows, that being talented at management should not entitle others to act like overseers and overlords, that all workers should have the right to engage in decisions, democratically, then you might be one of us.
No. This suggest that the manager is not entitled to be paid for increasing the efficiency of those he manages. Obviously wrong.

life trumps property
What does that mean? I don't believe that there is a conflict between the right to life and the right to property. Specifically, my right to life doesn't give me claim on your property.

We call for workers to not only strike, but seize their workplaces collectively, and to organize them democratically. We call for students and teachers to act together, to teach democracy, not merely the teachers to the students, but the students to the teachers. To seize the classrooms and free minds together.
HELL NO! They are advocating labor violence.

This is not a true liberty movement. No one should support it.

The "core group" may want you and me to " seize their workplaces collectively", but I for one won't be interested. (For the record, I'm certainly for workers have a seat on the board of directors of any major corporation. It's the "seizing" part that I'm dubious about.)

I'm not going to let that stop me from supporting a group which clearly recognizes that WALL STREET GREED IS UNDULY CONTROLLING THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, AND NEEDS TO BE CONFRONTED IN SOME MANNER OR OTHER.

There's also other opportunities for citizens meeting their fellow citizens. E.g., as I mentioned above, you can push the idea of voting for Ron Paul in the Republican primaries.

About 15 minutes ago, some guy on the livestream channel being interviewed said something about supporting Obama. The interviewer quickly said "No, Obama, he's not the answer". (Not his exact words). There was no attempt to make him conform to some sort of viewpoint regarding Obama - it's not a narrow religion we're talking about, here, but a political gathering of diverse individuals. The protesters are very welcoming, calling out to non-participants "Come join us!".

They didn't say "Come join us if you've sworn an oath to support X, Y, Z."

 

[Agorism]

No

 

[TexMac]

I'm all for converting lefties, but this situation seems way too volatile to get the campaign involved in. I wouldn't want to go there representing RP at all.