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Netanyahu says there will never be a real Palestinian state

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Controversial zionist and notorious occupation regime tool states that Liberty will never be possible for people living under USTF (US taxpayers funded) occupation.
Would be interesting to see if DGP neopuppet would respond to this or if his puppet masters would not allow that.


Netanyahu says there will never be a real Palestinian state

Philip Weiss on July 15, 2014

Lots of folks are talking about this. Last Friday, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu gave a press conference in Hebrew in which he stated that he would never accept Palestinian sovereignty in the West Bank because Israel’s security needs are too great in an era of Islamic radicalism. His remarks have been summarized by David Horovitz in the Times of Israel, with limited quotations.
“I think the Israeli people understand now what I always say:There cannot be a situation, under any agreement, in which we relinquish security control of the territory west of the River Jordan,” Netanyahu said, leading Horovitz to say: “That sentence, quite simply, spells the end to the notion of Netanyahu consenting to the establishment of a Palestinian state.” Just Bantustans, what we’ve observed again and again in recent years.

Here are fuller excerpts of Horovitz’s account:
He made explicitly clear that he could never, ever, countenance a fully sovereign Palestinian state in the West Bank. He indicated that he sees Israel standing almost alone on the frontlines against vicious Islamic radicalism, while the rest of the as-yet free world does its best not to notice the march of extremism. And he more than intimated that he considers the current American, John Kerry-led diplomatic team to be, let’s be polite, naive.
Netanyahu has stressed often in the past that he doesn’t want Israel to become a binational state — implying that he favors some kind of accommodation with and separation from the Palestinians. But on Friday he made explicit that this could not extend to full Palestinian sovereignty. Why? Because, given the march of Islamic extremism across the Middle East, he said, Israel simply cannot afford to give up control over the territory immediately to its east, including the eastern border — that is, the border between Israel and Jordan, and the West Bank and Jordan.
The priority right now, Netanyahu stressed, was to “take care of Hamas.” But the wider lesson of the current escalation was that Israel had to ensure that “we don’t get another Gaza in Judea and Samaria.” Amid the current conflict, he elaborated, “I think the Israeli people understand now what I always say: that there cannot be a situation, under any agreement, in which we relinquish security control of the territory west of the River Jordan.”

Not relinquishing security control west of the Jordan, it should be emphasized, means not giving a Palestinian entity full sovereignty there. It means not acceding to Mahmoud Abbas’s demands, to Barack Obama’s demands, to the international community’s demands. This is not merely demanding a demilitarized Palestine; it is insisting upon ongoing Israeli security oversight inside and at the borders of the West Bank. That sentence, quite simply, spells the end to the notion of Netanyahu consenting to the establishment of a Palestinian state. A less-than-sovereign entity? Maybe, though this will never satisfy the Palestinians or the international community. A fully sovereign Palestine? Out of the question.

He wasn’t saying that he doesn’t support a two-state solution. He was saying that it’s impossible. This was not a new, dramatic change of stance by the prime minister. It was a new, dramatic exposition of his long-held stance….
“If we were to pull out of Judea and Samaria, like they tell us to,” he said bitterly — leaving it to us to fill in who the many and various foolish “theys” are — “there’d be a possibility of thousands of tunnels” being dug by terrorists to attack Israel, he said…
Netanyahu hammered home the point: Never mind what the naive outsiders recommend, “I told John Kerry and General Allen, the Americans’ expert, ‘We live here, I live here, I know what we need to ensure the security of Israel’s people.’”
Earlier this spring, Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon sparked a storm in Israel-US ties when he told a private gathering that the US-Kerry-Allen security proposals weren’t worth the paper they were written on. Netanyahu on Friday said the same, and more, in public.
Netanyahu didn’t say he was ruling out all territorial compromise, but he did go to some lengths to highlight the danger of relinquishing what he called “adjacent territory.”

These remarks are what Jeff Halper reflected in his great post on our site last week, saying that Israel’s plan for Palestinians is to “submit, leave or die.” They demonstrate that the era of the two-state solution is past, and we have entered a period of full-on struggle for equal rights inside one state that was generated by an ideology of Jewish nationalism–Zionism. It is no surprise that Palestinians quoted by Pam Bailey on our site have cheered the Hamas rockets as a symbol of undying resistance to that discriminatory regime, which doesn’t hesitate to use violence. It is no surprise that Rana Baker at Open Democracy also praises the rockets and says that Palestinians will never yield to the Zionist vision.
The Israeli Jewish public must understand that there shall be no security so long as they do not turn their anger and frustration at their very supremacist privilege and ideological system which is embodied in the Israeli government, left-wing, centrist, or right-wing. No one is asking them to leave, but they must accept Palestinian resistance insofar as they accept the arrogance which characterises the Zionist ideology. The radical potential of Palestinian rockets, of sirens going off, lies in these rockets’ ability to disrupt a system of privilege which Israeli Jews enjoy at the expense of colonised and displaced Palestinians. Rockets, in other words, are a radical declaration of existence and unmediated expression of self-determination.

I happen to disagree with Baker, but the conflict has been freshly envenomed by Israel’s wanton killing of score
of civilians and children; and it is clear that many, many young Palestinians share her belief about the best ways to counter violent enslavement.
 
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I think there is. It's called Jordan. Perhaps if the U.N. would now just issue an edict .............. oh, never mind.:p
 
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I long for the day Christ returns and cleanses that place of the Zionist scourge.
 
No need to wait for Christ. What we need is a government that recognizes our right to associate with whatever military or organization we choose.
 
He's right. He's done everything within his power to ensure that never happens.
 
I wish you could convince my inlaws that he's not on the Zionist's side.
John 3:18 says that all who do not believe in Jesus Christ are condemned.

Most people in Israel do not believe in Jesus Christ.

Therefore, most people in Israel are condemned.

Bonus points for the fact that Genesis 12:3 is talking about Abraham, not all Jewish people ever.
 
I wish you could convince my inlaws that he's not on the Zionist's side.

It took a Jewish friend a while to convince me to look into it,, and then years for it to sink in..
After considerable research,, I had to change many views, and reject much of what I had been taught. Not an easy path for anyone.

Zionism and Judaism are not compatible.



 
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Netanyahu has been very consistent in taking land & giving his neighbors the finger
 
John 3:18 says that all who do not believe in Jesus Christ are condemned.

Most people in Israel do not believe in Jesus Christ.

Therefore, most people in Israel are condemned.

Amen. Only 2.1% of people who live in Israel are Christians, and 80% of those Arabs. The Israeli government is not friendly towards Christians.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to FreedomFanatic again.
(seems collectivist if you ask me, but whatever)
 
I long for the day Christ returns and cleanses that place of the Zionist scourge.

You'll be waiting a long time for such myth to occur. Desperate eh? What the people there need to do is educate themselves, and think about what they believe in, a bit of common sense, some science, and the thought of extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence on whether a person can just shoot off to heaven like no tomorrow.

Van Serg mountain at Taurus Littrow is massive compared to Arizona's grand canyon, seriously. I know that is off-topic but it really puts this subject to scale of ignorance waffle, and waste.
 
Israel can't maintain occupation forever, just as South Africa could not maintain white rule. world opinion is shifting. the USA can't send enough aid to prop up Israel.
 
Israel can't maintain occupation forever, just as South Africa could not maintain white rule. world opinion is shifting. the USA can't send enough aid to prop up Israel.
Israel is not only leeching off the U.S.... 45,000 in the UK protested to cut off their aid to Israel. Germany, well they, as well as Canada have been kissing Israel's ass with aid. Germany gave them new free submarines, which now give Israel the TRIAD of launching nuclear-tipped cruise missiles from their subs.
 
aid from Germany is morally justified, but Canada and UK are not, and it will end soon. once its not popular it ends. neither Canada or the UK have a Christian right, and their Jewish population is less important every year.
 
aid from Germany is morally justified, but Canada and UK are not, and it will end soon. once its not popular it ends. neither Canada or the UK have a Christian right, and their Jewish population is less important every year.

lol you say that as if the people in those countries have any say over what their government does...
 
You'll be waiting a long time for such myth to occur. Desperate eh? What the people there need to do is educate themselves, and think about what they believe in, a bit of common sense, some science, and the thought of extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence on whether a person can just shoot off to heaven like no tomorrow.

Van Serg mountain at Taurus Littrow is massive compared to Arizona's grand canyon, seriously. I know that is off-topic but it really puts this subject to scale of ignorance waffle, and waste.
"A long time" is relative. ;) (yes, that is a theory of relativity smartypants remark. I love it when I can get those into conversations. :) )
 
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