Mobilizing the Christians!

[Hancock1776]

http://christians4paul.wordpress.com
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/882475873

There is now a mobilization point forming for Christians who support Ron Paul and want their fellows in faith to do the same. If you are a Christian who believes the President should be a moral man, Ron Paul is a no-brainer. I've launched a website to help people make the case to their pastors and friends throughout the country.

Most importantly, I have a petition started to encourage the National Association of Evangelicals to endorse Ron Paul. Getting their attention will help catapult him farther into the mainstream.

If the Christian Right has any sense at all, they'll endorse Ron Paul. If the Christian Left has any sense at all, they'll endorse Ron Paul. I've not seen any other viable candidate who even comes close in moral integrity and consistency in conduct.

Spread the word to your Christian friends and family!

 

[wecandoit]

I do believe strongly that true Christian individuals can make up a huge chunk of Ron Paul support, myself included.

I have worries though that the heiarcchy of "Christian" organizations will go along.

No harm in trying, but I'm going to tout Paul as the correct moral choice to individuals one on one. I think that will make a better sell.

 

[Hancock1776]

I agree that the heirarchy might not be the easiest to persuade away from the party line, but I'm hoping to at least get some attention for the mass of individuals we should be able to rustle up.

 

[theoddity]

I am a Christian, grew up very evangelical. I am now not nearly as "mainstream evangelical" as I was, so I haven't considered a certain point about the whole Iraq war. Talking with a couple family members this weekend about Ron Paul gave me insight into something that may be hard to sway in some Christian's minds.

If you remember the huge success recently of the Left Behind series, you'll understand that a lot of people enjoyed the whole Armegeddon story, and future prophecy thing (I grew up steeped in the fact that Armageddon was right around the corner). I was talking about the reasons we shouldn't be in Iraq, and why Ron Paul makes a lot of sense, and this is the response I got from two family members: "that the whole middle east conflict was pre-destined, and since we are in the end times, there's nothing we can do about the inevitable Armageddon that's coming in the Middle East."

Now, I have given up on the notion that the tribulation is right around the corner, so haven't considered that that thinking is still a pretty strong undercurrent in mainstream evangelicalism. I was talking with someone just the other day, even, that thought there wasn't much we can do about global warming, since the end of the world is right around the corner, and of anyone in my church, I would have pegged her as the most liberal...

I'm simply placing this post up there, because I know I'm going to have to first debate my family on the Apocalypse before I can even bring up reasons to get away from Iraq. I know that this isn't necessarily the case for all evangelicals, but there is certainly a subconscious feeling among a large segment.

 

[wecandoit]

Try giving the reasons Jesus authorizes us in the New Testament to use viloence.

They are strikingly similar to what Ron Paul says, self defence only.

If "evangelicals" aren't down with New Testament teachings, then there probably isn't much hope they will see the light, no matter how you pitch it to them.

 

[Brandybuck]

If you remember the huge success recently of the Left Behind series, you'll understand that a lot of people enjoyed the whole Armegeddon story, and future prophecy thing (I grew up steeped in the fact that Armageddon was right around the corner). I was talking about the reasons we shouldn't be in Iraq, and why Ron Paul makes a lot of sense, and this is the response I got from two family members: "that the whole middle east conflict was pre-destined, and since we are in the end times, there's nothing we can do about the inevitable Armageddon that's coming in the Middle East."

Wow! Talk about a major heresy! We are told that no one but the Father knows when the end times will start, not even Jesus. Do they think Bush has more knowledge than Jesus? These churches urging us to go to war to do God's will are false prophets!

We may not be able to avoid armageddon, but no where in the teachings of Jesus does it tell us to start it!

 

[tnvoter]

I am a Christian, grew up very evangelical. I am now not nearly as "mainstream evangelical" as I was, so I haven't considered a certain point about the whole Iraq war. Talking with a couple family members this weekend about Ron Paul gave me insight into something that may be hard to sway in some Christian's minds.

If you remember the huge success recently of the Left Behind series, you'll understand that a lot of people enjoyed the whole Armegeddon story, and future prophecy thing (I grew up steeped in the fact that Armageddon was right around the corner). I was talking about the reasons we shouldn't be in Iraq, and why Ron Paul makes a lot of sense, and this is the response I got from two family members: "that the whole middle east conflict was pre-destined, and since we are in the end times, there's nothing we can do about the inevitable Armageddon that's coming in the Middle East."

Now, I have given up on the notion that the tribulation is right around the corner, so haven't considered that that thinking is still a pretty strong undercurrent in mainstream evangelicalism. I was talking with someone just the other day, even, that thought there wasn't much we can do about global warming, since the end of the world is right around the corner, and of anyone in my church, I would have pegged her as the most liberal...

I'm simply placing this post up there, because I know I'm going to have to first debate my family on the Apocalypse before I can even bring up reasons to get away from Iraq. I know that this isn't necessarily the case for all evangelicals, but there is certainly a subconscious feeling among a large segment.

Yes this a common argument, be sure to remind them of why there have been so many years of muslims NOT attacking us, and the bible says not even Jesus knows the exact time of his return, and we should be occupied with doing His work until then. Ron Paul has a pretty stout record of defending freedom of religion also, here's a couple links you should send to your family members:

Dr. Paul writes about the War on Religion at http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul148.html and Jim Vance asks if Dr. Paul could be the candidate of the religious right at http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance109.html .

LIST TAKEN FROM FACEBOOK POST:
"OTHERS TO CONTACT:

Christian Coalition - [email protected]; (202) 479-6900
Focus on the Family (Dr. James Dobson) - (800) A-FAMILY (232-6459)
Constitution Party: 717-390-1993; state parties at http://www.constitutionparty.com/view_states.php
John Birch Society: (920) 749-3780; contact at http://www.jbs.org/contact.php?id=1
Our American Values (Gary Bauer) - [email protected]; 703-671-9700
Renew America (Alan Keyes) - https://www.renewamerica.us/contact.php (Please don't contact his scheduler; that won't do any good)
Toward Tradition (Rabbi Daniel Lapin) - [email protected]; 206-236-3046
"

 

[Capitalism]

Atheists for Ron Paul!

 

[SeanEdwards]

Yeah, another atheist here for Ron Paul. Paul is my kind of christian. One who doesn't try to impose his religiosity on government.

 

[Capitalism]

Yeah, another atheist here for Ron Paul. Paul is my kind of christian. One who doesn't try to impose his religiosity on government.

Amen.

Gary Watson, who does a Ron Paul for President podcast, is also an atheist.

 

[Shii]

Atheists for Ron Paul!

Buddhists for Ron Paul!

Come on, make your own thread There's plenty to be said about how Ron Paul's conservatism is the true Christian conservatism.

 

[Phil M]

A third atheist for Paul! I find it so incredible how Paul supporters are such a mosaic of people. I never really thought I would be glad to say I support wholeheartedly the same candidate that Pat Buchanan does.

 

[DjLoTi]

I do believe strongly that true Christian individuals can make up a huge chunk of Ron Paul support, myself included.

I have worries though that the hierarchy of "Christian" organizations will go along.

No harm in trying, but I'm going to tout Paul as the correct moral choice to individuals one on one. I think that will make a better sell.

I consider myself 70% Christian. Faith brings us together, and it's a powerful tool. I love god.. and I love Americans.. Lets just love each other

Promote peace and not unnecessary controversy. Churches will be excited to make real efforts towards personal freedoms, just like we all are!

Lets make sure faith *brings us together*. Not tear us apart. God bless America!!!

 

[tnvoter]

Yeah, another atheist here for Ron Paul. Paul is my kind of christian. One who doesn't try to impose his religiosity on government.

Here Here!

 

[Captain Shays]

Here is another article by Laurance Vance that every modern Christian should read.
I also think its a great campaigning tool for Christians to use on other Christians

http://www.lewrockwell.com:80/vance/vance111.html

Christians are ripe for the message of Ron Paul and its amazing how Ron Paul can appeal to both Christians and athiests.

 

[theblatanttruth]

Atheists for Ron Paul!

Amen brother,

While I do not judge anyone for ANY belief, and I do highly approve faith movements in Ron Paul's favor, it is IMPORTANT for the public to see that SECULAR people and organizations also support Ron Paul - not because of his Christian beliefs, but because HE IS THE ONLY MAN FOR THE JOB.


Atheists for Ron Paul 2008!!!

 

[Bob Cochran]

We certainly want a President who is able to govern according to the Constitution, no matter what his personal beliefs might be. But if you're hoping Ron Paul won't bring his Christianity into the office with him, you might end up disappointed.

I think it's natural that we will be biased toward candidates who appear to have the same belief system or worldview as we do, and if we pretend otherwise, we could be setting ourselves up for disappointment.

On the flip side of that, there's the matter of voting for someone who you really think shares your beliefs, only to find out that he sort of does, but he has a whole other set of problematic issues that render his beliefs irrelevant.

For example, I know many Christians who are now disgusted with Dubya's stubbornness, inability to admit fault, and general stupidity.

 

[SlapItHigh]

If you are a Christian who believes the President should be a moral man, Ron Paul is a no-brainer.

I'm a Christian, but I don't much care what morals the President has. I just care about him following the constitution and if he does, it won't matter what his own personal beliefs are.

 

[Bob Cochran]

I'm a Christian, but I don't much care what morals the President has. I just care about him following the constitution and if he does, it won't matter what his own personal beliefs are.

The President of the United States has enough power that I really think we do want him to be a moral man. If a potential nuclear crisis is looming, you bet we need him to be someone of positive moral fiber.

One of the great strengths of the Constitution is its morality. I think it's naive to believe someone is going to faithfully uphold the Constitution despite possibly being someone of very low morals.

 

[theblatanttruth]

We certainly want a President who is able to govern according to the Constitution, no matter what his personal beliefs might be. But if you're hoping Ron Paul won't bring his Christianity into the office with him, you might end up disappointed.

I think it's natural that we will be biased toward candidates who appear to have the same belief system or worldview as we do, and if we pretend otherwise, we could be setting ourselves up for disappointment.

On the flip side of that, there's the matter of voting for someone who you really think shares your beliefs, only to find out that he sort of does, but he has a whole other set of problematic issues that render his beliefs irrelevant.

For example, I know many Christians who are now disgusted with Dubya's stubbornness, inability to admit fault, and general stupidity.

I dissagree with you there and I think I've missed your reason for stating it...

Religious beliefs these days are getting less and less intwined with the governing body - not because less believers are in office - but because the American public simply does not stand for it on a growing platform every day. There's simply too much diversity here and too much learning beyond biblical teachings. Now, also, Ron Paul seems like way too much of a stand-up guy to try to impose his belief structure on anyone, especially his own citizens. On top of that, Christianity is so varied in different views and versions and beliefs. How could any one form POSSIBLY make it into acting policy when the majority of believers can't straighten it out amongst themselves and squabble as a result?

Lets face it, G.W.Bush is tying his D*MNDEST to inject America with his personal views intertwined with hisbeliefs - and while it showed SOME progress in leading our country into it, it's not working out very well.

I may just be totally
but yeah.