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Mike Gravel Kicked Some Serious Donkey tonight!

BuddyRey

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I don't know if anybody watched it, but there was a Democratic debate tonight from Howard University, aired on PBS. Mike Gravel OWNED!!! The first thing he said is that we should immediately end the drug war, then he encouraged the people to empower themselves and stop trusting government. He even demanded the end of the Income tax! This guy is seriously testing the Democratic orthodoxy. Please, oh please Dr. Paul, consider forming a Unity ticket with this guy!
 
Wow I love it when the puppets look like fools

This is the 1st I have had to watch Mike Gravel speak, he is such a firery orator. I loved hearing him. I'm so glad there is 2 guys making the puppets look like fools. Do you know that only 2 states have a gun policy where you don't need a permit to carry a concealed gun and one is Alaska. Now I know why, it's got to be Mike's help. He is 77. So what. An active mind lasts. I want Paul but this guy is very much needed. Have fun watch those videos. A life caring for our rights.

Maurice Robert "Mike" Gravel (born May 13, 1930), is a former Democratic United States Senator from Alaska for two terms, from 1969 to 1981. He is primarily known for his efforts in ending the draft following the Vietnam War and for having put into the public record the Pentagon Papers in 1971. He is currently a candidate for the 2008 Democratic nomination for President of the United States

I would love to have him aboard to help but still I would like a younger man as VP. But It wouldn't me bother at all to have him as VP. I would still vote for that ticket. Knowing what I know now. Old guys with guns kick butt. Look at Harley bikers.

Watch the videos and see Hillary and Obama react to him. So much fun!

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I like Mike Gravel. However, I like Ron Paul more. :) The Mike Gravel highlight videos from the Democratic debates are definitely worth watching!
 
Glad to have a guy like Gravel telling the corrupt dems that they are in fact, warmongers. I got a feeling Obama will change his tune (not bombing), if he is elected into office.
 
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PBS has some good programming on, like Nova and the McLaughlin Group.
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PBS is one of the last bastions of freedom -- so far less controlled than MSM -- like NPR for TV, but way better. Look up PBS documentaries on a bit torrent search engine and you have about a year's worth of straight knowledge. better than public schools, right there. Also, BBC. try http://www.digitaldistractions.org for great documentaries.

Also on PBS: Bill Moyers interviews are great, too
 
I like seeing Gravel up there--he keeps (or tries to keep) the others honest, and reminding the Senators who voted yes on the authorization for Bush of their complicity in this war.

I also liked what he had to say about getting rid of the income tax, though I'm not sure if his proposal for a national sales tax to replace it would be better.

He'd probably be a bit too much of a hot head to be president, but I believe he's a truly ethical person, and one who has the best interests of the country at heart, rather than a wish for self-aggrandizement.

On a side note, I found it irritating that the moderator and folks running this 90 min. debate took at least 13 minutes to get it started (introducing the President of the university...who talked a bit; then Gov. Patrick of MA to introduce someone else...); then it ended 5 min early. Such a waste of time considering they had 8 candidates to cover. All things considered, I found Tavis Smiley less irritating as a moderator than the constantly interrupting Wolf Blitzer.
 
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Before you think he would be a good running mate for Ron Paul you might want to take a look at this article.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/06/19/gravel-we-dont-need-no-stinkin-constitution/
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Taken out of context, that's pretty inflamatory. However, when you actually read up on Gravel's "National Initiative", you realize that he's actually on board with a fairly neat idea. Whether it's an idea I'd support or not is another question - there're a lot of missing pieces in the puzzle - but it's a neat idea nonetheless. Basically what the goal of it is, is to take a lot of the existing government out of the equation and replace it with direct democracy, from what I understand. The main problem I see being normal folks not having the funding that super globalist corps do to push their agendas. But it's an idea certainly not without merit, and I don't feel that being on board with it causes Gravel to lose any credibility.


Furthermore, it goes on to criticize Gravel for wanting to declare Bush and Cheney felons.
In theory. But not the way Gravel wants to do it. He laid out a legislative strategy of passing a war-ending bill, calling up Senate cloture votes ever single day “until you override the opposition.” Once you get cloture, you get a veto - and then, “You have an override vote on Monday, on Tuesday, on Wednesday, on Thursday, on Friday - no weekends off.”

Fine. There’s a great argument to be made for the strategy. But here’s something else he proposed: introducing legislation to make the President and Vice President felons for what they have done in Iraq.
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I don't see how that's worthy of criticism except by neocon Bush/Cheney supporters.
 
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I like the idea of the legislative branch being shifted closer to the people, but it would have to be done really, really carefully....

Gravel and Paul are in agreement on a lot of things. I like how Gravel is against managed trade agreements which benefit outsourcing, and hates the war on drugs.
 
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