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Mike Gravel joined the Libertarian Party

Surprising. I always assumed Gravel was pretty far left, what with his support for Universal Health Care and increased carbon taxes. He's right on the big issue though: bringing an end to the military industrial complex.

I don't really agree with his "national initative" idea though. Putting more power in the hands of the people is not the solution. We don't need direct democracy, we need our constitutionally limited Republic back.
 
So like we're trying to make the Republican party more about liberty, Gravel is trying to make the Libertarian party more globalist? He's a huge supporter of world government.

I smell something fishy.
 
Gravel doesn't agree with us on everything, but he does on many things and is willing to sit down and seriously debate those areas where we disagree. Additionally, he's got balls the size of watermelons, was hugely influential in ending the draft during vietnam, and stood up to help expose Nixon even at the risk of going to jail for doing so. If nothing else, the guy can at least be respected. I for one am excited to hear this and welcome him with open arms.
 
What the heck? That guy is so far from libertarian it isn't funny. He can't get any democrats to vote for him so he thinks maybe libertarians will nominate him because he has more name recognition than the people they get? Sorry you can't be a libertarian unless you want to reduce the size and role of government. Being against the war doesn't make you a libertarian.
 
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Maybe he has changed his mind about his views. Maybe the message of liberty has spread to him. At least if it hasn't he isn't changing the minds of any libertarians. If anything they will change his views.
 
i think mike gravel thinks our stock market is about to crash like 1929
and is agreeing with ron paul on how unstable things are with the fed...
 
Here's what was posted on Third Party Watch:

Gravel For President 2008
A Personal Message from Mike Gravel

Dear friend,

I wanted to update you on my latest plans before news gets out. Today, I am announcing my plan to join the Libertarian Party, because the Democratic Party no longer represents my vision for our great country. I wanted my supporters to get this news first, because you have been the ones who have kept my campaign alive since I first declared my candidacy on April 17, 2006.

The fact is, the Democratic Party today is no longer the party of FDR. It is a party that continues to sustain war, the military-industrial complex and imperialism—all of which I find anathema to my views.

By and large, I have been repeatedly marginalized in both national debates and in media exposure by the Democratic leadership, which works in tandem with the corporate interests that control what we read and hear in the media.

I look forward to advancing my presidential candidacy within the Libertarian Party, which is considerably closer to my values, my foreign policy views and my domestic views.

Please take a moment to make your most generous donation to my presidential campaign today. $10, $20, $50—whatever you feel you can afford.

I want to thank you all for your continued support.

Gratefully yours,
Mike Sig Small

Learn More www.gravel2008.us
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I don't get it. Gravel seems like a nice enough guy, but gimme a break. "No longer the party of FDR" my ass. FDR fought an undeclared war long before Pearl Harbor and stood for socializing the country. :mad:
 
The fact is, the Democratic Party today is no longer the party of FDR. It is a party that continues to sustain war, the military-industrial complex and imperialism—all of which I find anathema to my views.
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So...yes, it is still the party of FDR.
 
So many of you are so horribly mistaken.

Limited government and Strong Individual Freedom is not entirely contrary to what Gravel and other liberals, like myself believe. Quit being so absolutist about this crap... Liberalism is not socialism is not globalism. Just stop already.
 
You guys that don't like Gravel should stop with the haterade in my opinion. Just because he doesn't have the same exact views as Ron Paul doesn't mean he still isn't a great person and a person fighting for the people and get rid of all the corporate influence in Washington, he just has a different idea on how to fix that problem than Ron does. And Ron often speaks positively of Ronald Reagen who didn't exactly always align with Ron on a lot of issues and did things a lot of people here disagree with yet you guys don't criticize Ron for it, so don't criticize Gravel for talking positively of FDR. Ron and Gravel are great people fighting for our rights, and while I agree with Ron more than I do with Mike, I would vote for either of them in a heartbeat.
 
Kade said:
So many of you are so horribly mistaken.

Limited government and Strong Individual Freedom is not entirely contrary to what Gravel and other liberals, like myself believe. Quit being so absolutist about this crap... Liberalism is not socialism is not globalism. Just stop already.
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Are you a Ron Paul supporter? Absolutely no offense intended, but I just don't see how you can reconcile liberal beliefs with support for the most conservative member of Congress. Liberalism might not be socialism, but it certainly is contrary to the tenets of limited government and strong individual freedom.
 
crazyfingers said:
Are you a Ron Paul supporter? Absolutely no offense intended, but I just don't see how you can reconcile liberal beliefs with support for the most conservative member of Congress. Liberalism might not be socialism, but it certainly is contrary to the tenets of limited government and strong individual freedom.
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Then you don't know what liberalism is... I'm sorry. It's okay though, common mistake on these boards.
 
Kade said:
Then you don't know what liberalism is... I'm sorry. It's okay though, common mistake on these boards.
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Liberalism has come to mean something completely different nowadays. In the classic sense, Ron Paul is very liberal, but he's nowhere close to what "liberal" means today.
 
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