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LP Co-Founder: "The Barr Campaign Is Over"

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My donations and my vote now go to Chuck Baldwin

www.buckforchuck.com

www.baldwin2008.com

by David F. Nolan
(Libertarian)

Thursday, September 11, 2008

As of yesterday afternoon, Bob Barr's Presidential campaign is effectively over. There were signs of serious trouble even before yesterday, but his "no-show" at Ron Paul's Campaign for Liberty news conference -- followed by an insulting suggestion that Ron should join Barr on the LP ticket in the VP slot -- demonstrated just how out-of-touch the Barr campaign is, and how poor Barr's vote total is likely to be.

In earlier articles here on nolanchart.com I tried to give Barr every benefit of the doubt. I observed that in theory he should be one of the Libertarian Party's stronger Presidential candidates. I opined that while his pronouncements on the campaign trail were hardly hard-core libertarian, they were mostly to-the-point and well stated. I did not support him for the nomination, but I was more or less comfortable supporting him once he became the LP nominee.

There has been evidence all along that the Barr '08 campaign has been mismanaged. Ballot access drives were begun late, and conducted erratically. As of today, it appears that Barr's name will be on the ballot in 46 or 47 states. (Harry Browne appeared on 50 ballots in 1996 and 49 in 2000. Michael Badnarik made it onto 48 in 2004.) Barr has failed to achieve ballot status in West Virginia, due entirely to Shane Cory's ineptitude, and there are lawsuits pending in five states (LA, MA, ME, OK and PA) to determine whether Barr will be on the ballot.

Fundraising has also been a flop. As I write this, the fundraising "meter" on the Barr '08 website shows the total raised by the campaign at $881,500 -- about $700,000 since the Denver nominating convention. That works out to about $6,400 a day or $200,000/month. In the days leading up to the nomination, Barr's people were throwing around numbers like $20 million. The reality is likely to be barely more than $1 million.

But all that would be beside the point if Bob Barr were campaigning proudly as a Libertarian and taking advantage of every opportunity to reach out to like-minded Americans.

Unfortunately, he's not. Following advice from his campaign manager, Russ Verney, Barr has avoided use of the "L" word wherever possible. There's a big empty space in the banner at the top of the Barr '08 website, where the word LIBERTARIAN could (and should) appear. It doesn't, despite several suggestions that this be remedied. Barr's campaign literature, signs and bumper stickers do not include the "L" word either. And a press release issued by the campaign earlier this week describes Barr as a "Former Congressman" with no mention of the Libertarian Party.

Clearly, Barr is not running as a Libertarian; he's running as an independent candidate: "Former Congressman Bob Barr." Which may be just as well, given the way he's been behaving.

Yesterday, Congressman Ron Paul held a news conference to denounce the two-party duopoly. He invited four alternative candidates -- Chuck Baldwin, Bob Barr, Cynthia McKinney and Ralph Nader -- to participate. Baldwin, McKinney and Nader showed up; Barr did not. Instead, he held a separate follow-up conference of his own at which he tooted his own horn and "invited" Ron Paul to be his running mate. This was insanely stupid, for several reasons. First, because Barr has no authority to unilaterally change running-mates. Second, because it's a insult to Ron Paul, who is far better known and more widely admired. (Reportedly, Ron Paul and his top people are furious.) And third, because even if Ron Paul accepted the invitation and the Libertarian National Committee approved the substitution, it is too late to make a substitution on most states' ballots.

For a description of what happened at the Campaign for Liberty press conference, see this Washington Post article.

Why has the Barr campaign has gone so badly awry? The simple answer is that the two men running it -- Russ Verney and Shane Cory -- are not Libertarians, do not understand what motivates Libertarian activists, and have no interest in building the LP. Verney is a gun-for-hire of no discernible ideology. Cory is a Republican who left his former job at LP headquarters in disgrace, after abusing his authority prior to the Denver convention. (Just today, Verney posted a Campaign Update on the Barr '08 website, praising George W. Bush for his "leadership" during the days following the 9/11 attacks seven years ago. Any true Libertarian would have instead pointed out that Bush has USED the 9/11 attacks as an excuse to erode our civil liberties!)

With these two running the campaign it will continue to embarrass Libertarians and waste our resources. Bob Barr will never qualify for inclusion in the phony "Presidential debates." He will not get the 5% of the vote that would qualify the LP for future matching funds -- which it should not accept in any case. Indeed, at this point it seems likely that Barr will not get even 1% of the popular vote. (Bettors on intrade.com are currently betting 2:1 against Barr receiving 1%.)
 
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that is the final nail in the coffin.


Bob Barr royally fucked up.


Hello Chuck Baldwin!

You didn't read the article. The LP CO FOUNDER didn't say anything poor about Bob...he directed poor words towards the managers ( who I think are terrible..but I also thought Benton was awful).
 
Yes, but Barr doesn't have authorization to change running mates, and he also decided to have the separate conference. He sounds like a nit wit.
 
The Chairman would have a hard time defending an anti-Libertarian stance (vote for whomever you want)
The LP made a grave mistake. Either that, or it was intetional.
Who the hell knows these days?
It's black or white-
Bob Barr infiltrated the party, or the party was corrupt to begin with.
Pick one.
As a REPUBLICAN, at least I know the answer.
 
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Yes Barr has lost his legs

After reading several emails from my Libertarian friends, I must say that they now are saying what we Baldwin supporters have been saying. That Barr is not the man they thought he was. Some of them actually suspected it from the beginning but refused to see past the L. The mess that Barr's campaign managers have laid upon his feet is going to weigh him him down like cement overshoes.
I haven't trusted him from the beginning and now it's confirmed that my lack of faith in him was warranted.
:cool:
 
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This was already posted, look on the front page of grassroots before you post.

And for Christs sake, post the entire article instead of cutting out the parts you don't agree with.

http://www.nolanchart.com/article4805.html
I haven't trusted him from the beginning and now it's confirmed that my lack of faith in him was warranted.

Really the article was railing against the Barr/Root campaign and those running it, not Bob Bar the man and the platform. It is important to distinguish the difference imo.
 
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Ok, now why would they not put the "L word" on a website designed for a Libertarian Presidential Candidate...?

On another note I would love to hear Dr. Paul's take on this matter.
 
After reading several emails from my Libertarian friends, I must say that they now are saying what we Baldwin supporters have been saying. That Barr is not the man they thought he was. Some of them actually suspected it from the beginning but refused to see past the L. The mess that Barr's campaign managers have laid upon his feet is going to weigh him him down like cement overshoes.
I haven't trusted him from the beginning and now it's confirmed that my lack of faith in him was warranted.
:cool:

Really, because my libertarian friends and those that have been LP members for a while would argue the opposite.
 
You didn't read the article. The LP CO FOUNDER didn't say anything poor about Bob...he directed poor words towards the managers ( who I think are terrible..but I also thought Benton was awful).

read this section again

"Yesterday, Congressman Ron Paul held a news conference to denounce the two-party duopoly. He invited four alternative candidates -- Chuck Baldwin, Bob Barr, Cynthia McKinney and Ralph Nader -- to participate. Baldwin, McKinney and Nader showed up; Barr did not. Instead, he held a separate follow-up conference of his own at which he tooted his own horn and "invited" Ron Paul to be his running mate. This was insanely stupid, for several reasons. First, because Barr has no authority to unilaterally change running-mates. Second, because it's a insult to Ron Paul, who is far better known and more widely admired. (Reportedly, Ron Paul and his top people are furious.) And third, because even if Ron Paul accepted the invitation and the Libertarian National Committee approved the substitution, it is too late to make a substitution on most states' ballots."
 
I emailed the Barr campaign today and told them that I was a Ron Paul supporter who had intended to vote for him, but would now vote for one of the three candidates that were present at the National Press Club to show solidarity against the false choice non-choice. Just a little feedback.
 
This was already posted, look on the front page of grassroots before you post.

And for Christs sake, post the entire article instead of cutting out the parts you don't agree with.

http://www.nolanchart.com/article4805.html

Really the article was railing against the Barr/Root campaign and those running it, not Bob Bar the man and the platform. It is important to distinguish the difference imo.

I took nothing out and I can read very well. Barr is finished and even the LP is ashamed and damaged by him.

I am going to doante and vote to and for Chcuk Baldwin.


www.buckforchuck.com
 
read this section again

"Yesterday, Congressman Ron Paul held a news conference to denounce the two-party duopoly. He invited four alternative candidates -- Chuck Baldwin, Bob Barr, Cynthia McKinney and Ralph Nader -- to participate. Baldwin, McKinney and Nader showed up; Barr did not. Instead, he held a separate follow-up conference of his own at which he tooted his own horn and "invited" Ron Paul to be his running mate. This was insanely stupid, for several reasons. First, because Barr has no authority to unilaterally change running-mates. Second, because it's a insult to Ron Paul, who is far better known and more widely admired. (Reportedly, Ron Paul and his top people are furious.) And third, because even if Ron Paul accepted the invitation and the Libertarian National Committee approved the substitution, it is too late to make a substitution on most states' ballots."


And where does the author say Barr is at fault? He goes on to say the campaign managers are the foolish ones. Stop isolating bits and pieces to make something look like something it is not.
 
Even if it was his managers' idea to skip the conference, Barr's decision to go along with it shows that he is completely out of step with this revolution.
 
It's too late for that, unfortunately. I mean, too late to get him replaced. Frankly at this point I would rather have no Libertarian candidate than have it be Barr. I've been talking to my libertarian (and Libertarian) friends about this, and they've almost convinced me to vote for Baldwin. I'm still hesitant, but hearing him speak he doesn't sound like the kooky Christian I was afraid all CP members were.

I just hope we can kick Barr and his cronies out of the party before 2010.

Also, I posted this first. :p :'(
 
Also, I sent a message to Bill Redpath to try to get his feelings on all of this, he hasn't responded yet, but I hope he does. I'm voting for him for Senate here in Virginia, and I'll feel more than a little let-down if he isn't critical of these antics.
 
You know what he was, an anchor. Someone who had name recognition, but all he did was slack around. Silly neocon, leave the Libertarian party for people who actually want the best of both words; and by both worlds I'm implying the best of the "Nazi parties," or the dems and repubs so to speak.
 
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