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Like Sarah Palin, how many other Americans consider Iraq war a 'Holy War'?

How many Americans consider war in Iraq a 'holy war'?


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Recent polls had showed that while only 40% of US public did not consider Iraqi freedom war a blunder, almost 80% of "Church going" public felt the same way about Iraq.

In your view, what portion of our public considers Iraqi freedom war a 'holy war'?

It's hard to see how God could possibly benefit from elective bloodshed based on bogus assumptions that has killed or displaced millions of people of a country that did not attack us. But apparently there is a good portion of religious extremists among us who support such violence in the name of God. Has size of that demographic been quantified by any freedom group or body so far?


This recent news report to provide some context to above question:

Palin: Iraq war 'a task that is from God'

By GENE JOHNSON – 5 hours ago

ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) — Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin told ministry students at her former church that the United States sent troops to fight in the Iraq war on a "task that is from God."

In an address last June, the Republican vice presidential candidate also urged ministry students to pray for a plan to build a $30 billion natural gas pipeline in the state, calling it "God's will."
 
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I've read that she has said that but I'm not sure where she's coming from. How can anyone consider it a task from God? Does anyone know what she meant by that?
 
I've read that she has said that but I'm not sure where she's coming from. How can anyone consider it a task from God? Does anyone know what she meant by that?
I can't read her mind, but I think there is a pervasive idea in some circles that this war is the predecessor to the Armageddon. I have read that both the Islamic and Christian messiahs are supposed to return and each describes the other "guy" as the antichrist or enemy. I know in the Bible that the whole world will make war against Jesus because the antichrist will have convinced them to do so. From what I gather Islam's telling of the end times is the opposite. I think this is why there are so many concerned with Islamic Fundamentalists and terrorism. Please forgive me for being very inarticulate about this. Maybe someone else can explain it better.
 
I've read that she has said that but I'm not sure where she's coming from. How can anyone consider it a task from God? Does anyone know what she meant by that?


I'd love to see that answer too.

Perhaps it may be too much to expect rational explanation for dogmatic views of some religious extremists but it would be interesting to see how she would justify putting Godly blessing over elective vioelnce there.
Some had argued in past that such religious claims are cover for greed for oil or wealth or other base wordly motivations but oil prices have gone up more than 5 times since then, it's hard to grasp what God's task or plan good have been there.
 
I'd love to see that answer too.

Perhaps it may be too much to expect rational explanation for dogmatic views of some religious extremists but it would be interesting to see how she would justify putting Godly blessing over elective vioelnce there.
Some had argued in past that such religious claims are cover for greed for oil or wealth or other base wordly motivations but oil prices have gone up more than 5 times since then, it's hard to grasp what God's task or plan good have been there.
I'm very wary of anyone who purports to know God's will. Some church people are kinda weird.
 
As a Christian who is heavily interested in end times theology, this is the thing that scares me most. I don't abide by the "Left Behind" theology. A lot of it is just overinterpreted, and many of the events actually happened in 70 AD already. The whole thing about the rapture coming and then God dealing with a separate, physical Israel has only been around since about the 1830s (it's called dispensationalism) and it saddens me to see so many Christians fall into this trap and turn into warmongers.
If you listen to Bin Laden's tapes, I don't think he ever mentions anything about fulfilling Islam's end time prophecies. It's all either got to do with US military presence over there and US support for Israel. Whether or not other Muslims have that exact same view of it, I don't know. But going to war with countries that had posed no harm to us is not very Christ like. It's not our job to fulfill interpretative prophecies. It's the job of a Christian to follow Christ the best they can. You can't spread the gospel down the barrel of a gun. Those Chaldean and Armenian Christian communities in Iraq have no protection from the law now and have either been killed or have fled to neighboring Jordan.
Regardless, I think whether or not their interpretations are correct, if they did happen to be correct, then it is going to happen anyway, so why spend so many American lives on it?
They sit in church smiling dancing and singing worship songs while nevermind there is a bloodbath going on over there. It seems to me that many of them see it as invigorating entertainment, wanting their Left Behind books and movies to come to life.

The oil pipeline thing just made me wanna throw up. That spilled the beans right there. I hope some of the ministry students attending that thing hearing that were smart enough to see through that.
 
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I don't understand why people get wrapped up around this end times prophecy crap.

I'll tell ya what I think... I think that it's just Republicans trying to do what they always do and that is conscript the religious people. So-called conservative politicos know that they only have to speak correctly on two issues and that is gay rights and abortion. If they get those two right then they have church people on a leash.

They also want to throw in this war. I have read on other forums where someone will post that they are getting deployed and everyone responds with some type of "God Bless You" or "God Keep You Safe" fellatio. I say that God is not going to bless your ignorant violence and He is not going to keep you safe in a sovereign place that aggressively invade.

I am a man of faith and I have studied the Bible and I attend church but I do not see anywhere in Scripture that God ordains unwarranted violence against other people. That's just my opinion though. Maybe my understanding is flawed and God really does want all the white people to kill all the brown people.
 
I've read that she has said that but I'm not sure where she's coming from. How can anyone consider it a task from God? Does anyone know what she meant by that?

What she actually said is that we can only pray it is a task from God. According to the interview on ABC, it is a allusion to a great leader who once said something paraphrased as, "It would be foolish to pray for God to be on our side during war. All we can do is pray we are on God's side."

Bush is the guy who said God spoke to him.
 
I don't understand why people get wrapped up around this end times prophecy crap.

I'll tell ya what I think... I think that it's just Republicans trying to do what they always do and that is conscript the religious people.
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That's actually only been the case since Falwell's Moral Majority tried to take over the GOP.
 
What she actually said is that we can only pray it is a task from God. According to the interview on ABC, it is a allusion to a great leader who once said something paraphrased as, "It would be foolish to pray for God to be on our side during war. All we can do is pray we are on God's side."

Bush is the guy who said God spoke to him.

She does appear to believe with certitude that the pipeline is God's will though...The thought that the god presented to us through the personhood of Jesus Christ would want bloodshed to straighten out the affairs of man is a horrible pollution of what Jesus Christ taught.
 
Sarah Palin = Silver Tongued Devil w/ Feeble Brain


Sarah Palin is pure BS... She's pandering to the Religious voting factions of America.

The GOP is just grabbing and solidifying the HOLY VOTE.

Are there any pragmatic voters left in this country?


No wonder the Danish look at American, especially the voters, as FOOLS.

I have to agreed... ever try to have an intelligent conversation with religious zealot or redneck on politics?

IGNORANCE is BLISS!
 
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http://news.scotsman.com/world/Palin-39prepared-for-war-with.4488838.jp


Palin 'prepared for war with Russia on Georgia'
(sorry, but your children and grand children need to die to protect our interest in Georgia)



Published Date: 13 September 2008
By CHRIS STEPHEN
SARAH Palin warned yesterday she would be prepared to go to war with Russia to protect Georgia in her first interview since John McCain chose her as his vice-presidential nominee.

Calling Russia's invasion of its neighbor unprovoked, the Republican said she supported Georgia's application to join Nato even if it meant the United States could face a future confrontation with Moscow.

"I mean, that is the agreement when you are a Nato ally. If another country is attacked, you're going to be expected to be called upon to help."

Her comments, broadly in line with the robust stance of Mr McCain, came amid criticism that the McCain camp had kept her away from the press for the fortnight since she was chosen for the ticket.

Opinion polls now show Mr McCain level with, or narrowly leading, Obama nationally.

The Palin interview was by turns feisty and nervous. She told ABC's Charles Gibson that despite having visited only four other countries in her life, and having never met a foreign head of state, she was prepared to take the helm in the event of a mishap befalling 72-year-old Mr McCain.

"I'm ready," she said. "I have the confidence in that readiness and knowing that you can't blink. You have to be wired in a way of being so committed to the mission, the mission that we're on – reform of this country and victory in the war."

She gave enigmatic answers when asked if she would support Israeli strikes against Iranian nuclear installations, and on whether it was right to send troops into Pakistan after Osama bin Laden.

And she seemed off-guard when Gibson asked if she agreed with the Bush doctrine.

"In what respect, Charlie?" said Mrs Palin.

Gibson said: "What do you interpret it to be?"

"I believe that what President Bush has attempted to do is rid this world of Islamic extremism, terrorists who are hell-bent on destroying our nation," she replied.
Gibson said the doctrine was formulated in 2002 and allowed for pre-emptive strikes on nations posing a threat.

"Charlie, if there is a legitimate and enough intelligence that tells us that a strike is imminent against American people, we have every right to defend our country," Mrs Palin said.

Critics judged the performance competent, not inspiring. Some of the answers may have surprised Mrs Palin's boss: Mr McCain is busy courting the green vote and is opposed to oil drilling in Alaskan wildlife refuges, but his running mate insists she supports it.

"We'll agree to disagree," she said, "but I'm gonna keep pushing that and I think eventually we're all gonna come together on that one."

Mrs Palin also appeared confused over her position on climate change, denying she once claimed it was not man-made.

"I have not said that," she said. "Show me where I have ever said that there's absolute proof that nothing man has ever conducted or engaged in has had any effect or no effect on climate change."

In fact, said ABC, she made the claim twice last year, telling one Alaskan newspaper: "I'm not an Al Gore, doom-and-gloom environmentalist, blaming the changes in our climate on human activity."

The interview is likely to further polarise opinion on the woman who all agree has turned this presidential election into a cliffhanger, convincing critics she is inexperienced, and supporters that she is tough and intelligent.

Meanwhile, the Obama campaign, which has stuttered of late, effectively relaunched.

"Today is the first day of the rest of the campaign," Obama campaign manager David Plouffe said in a strategy memo. "We will respond with speed and ferocity to John McCain's attacks and we will take the fight to him, but we will do it on the big issues that matter to the American people."

The newest hard-line ad includes unflattering footage of Mr McCain in the early Eighties, wearing giant glasses and an out-of-style suit, interspersed with shots of a disco ball, a clunky phone, an outdated computer and a Rubik's Cube.

An Obama spokesman said the campaign was not making an issue of 72-year-old Mr McCain's age, but the time he's spent in Washington.
 
http://news.scotsman.com/world/Palin-39prepared-for-war-with.4488838.jp


"I'm ready," she said. "I have the confidence in that readiness and knowing that you can't blink. You have to be wired in a way of being so committed to the mission, the mission that we're on – reform of this country and victory in the war."

She gave enigmatic answers when asked if she would support Israeli strikes against Iranian nuclear installations, and on whether it was right to send troops into Pakistan after Osama bin Laden.

And she seemed off-guard when Gibson asked if she agreed with the Bush doctrine.

"In what respect, Charlie?" said Mrs Palin.

Gibson said: "What do you interpret it to be?"

"I believe that what President Bush has attempted to do is rid this world of Islamic extremism, terrorists who are hell-bent on destroying our nation," she replied.
Gibson said the doctrine was formulated in 2002 and allowed for pre-emptive strikes on nations posing a threat.

"Charlie, if there is a legitimate and enough intelligence that tells us that a strike is imminent against American people, we have every right to defend our country," Mrs Palin said.

"We'll agree to disagree," she said, "but I'm gonna keep pushing that and I think eventually we're all gonna come together on that one."

Mrs Palin also appeared confused over her position on climate change, denying she once claimed it was not man-made.

Sarah Palin is a prefect example of:

90% of ALL STATISTICS can be made to say ANYTHING.

Sarah Palin has been to 4 Foreign countries now?

Palin also reportedly got her first passport in 2007, and she said she has been to; Germany, Kuwait, Mexico, Canada, and Ireland. (Until recently, going to Canada didn't require a passport.) But the Ireland visit was a refueling stop. Germany was Reim Main/Ramstien USAF base stops/refueling/PR photos. :rolleyes: That inaccuracy is bad enough, but we also have to get a correction from a Palin spokesman that she has visited Canada. I hate to nitpick, but an American still doesn't need a passport to go to Canada; AMERICANS need a PASSPORT to get home. Canada is friendlier than the U.S., just like most of the countries on this planet.

so:

http://thinkprogress.org/palin-digest/ <=== View ALL the FLIP FLOPPING

Palin Didn’t Have A Passport Until 2007. Palin first obtained a passport in July 2007 for her trip to Kuwait and Germany to visit Alaska National Guard troops. Her only other trips outside of the United States have been to Canada and Mexico. A Palin spokeswoman had previously said that Palin had also been to Ireland, although it was actually just a “refueling stop” on her Germany/Kuwait trip. :rolleyes: [New York Times, 8/29/08; Politico, 9/2/08; ABC News, 9/12/08]

Their statements Sarah Palin visited Iraq... here's the jest:

She visited Kuwait stationed Alaskan National Guard troops in Kuwait and travel to a Iraqi/Kuwait border crossing. :rolleyes:

Statistics... gotta love how both dictatorial parties PLAY their "POKER" hands on the American Voters!
 
You are right about statistics. I never would have believed it until I worked on a company survey with a company that was hired in to 'help' employees come up with the questions for the survey. We wrote questions and they mutilated them until they would give the answers they wanted.

Makes me sick. I don't go by polls and statistics because data can be sliced anyway you want given the right questions.
 
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