It Could Be the End of Our Democracy as We Know It

[Reason]

[h1]It Could Be the End of Our Democracy as We Know It[/h1]
[url]http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20090906_it_could_be_the_end_of_our_democracy_as_we_know_it/[/URL]

Posted on Sep 6, 2009

[FONT=georgia, times new roman, times, serif] [/FONT][FONT=georgia, times new roman, times, serif]By E.J. Dionne[/FONT]
[FONT=georgia, times new roman, times, serif] [/FONT][FONT=georgia, times new roman, times, serif]President Barack Obama’s health care speech on Wednesday will be only the second most consequential political moment of the week.[/FONT]
[FONT=georgia, times new roman, times, serif]Judged by the standard of an event’s potential long-term impact on our public life, the most important will be the argument before the Supreme Court (on the same day, as it happens) about a case that, if decided wrongly, could surrender control of our democracy to corporate interests.[/FONT]
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[FONT=georgia, times new roman, times, serif]This sounds melodramatic. It’s not. The court is considering eviscerating laws that have been on the books since 1907 in one case and 1947 in the other, banning direct contributions and spending by corporations in federal election campaigns. Doing so would obliterate precedents that go back two and three decades.[/FONT]
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[FONT=georgia, times new roman, times, serif]The full impact of what the court could do in Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission has only begun to receive the attention it deserves. Even the word radical does not capture the extent to which the justices could turn our political system upside down. Will the high court use a case originally brought on a narrow issue to bring our politics back to the corruption of the Gilded Age?[/FONT]
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[FONT=georgia, times new roman, times, serif]Citizens United, a conservative group, brought suit arguing that it should be exempt from the restrictions of the 2002 McCain-Feingold campaign finance law for a movie it made that was sharply critical of Hillary Clinton. The organization said it should not have to disclose who financed the film.[/FONT]
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[FONT=georgia, times new roman, times, serif]Instead of deciding the case before it, the court engaged in a remarkable act of overreach. On June 29, it postponed a decision and called for new briefs and a highly unusual new hearing, which is Wednesday’s big event. The court chose to consider an issue only tangentially raised by the case. It threatens to overrule a 1990 decision that upheld the long-standing ban on corporate money in campaigns.[/FONT]
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[FONT=georgia, times new roman, times, serif]I don’t have the space to cite all the precedents the court would have to set aside, going back to the Buckley campaign finance ruling of 1976, if it threw out the prohibition on corporate money. Suffice it to say that there is one member of the court who has spoken eloquently about the dangers of ignoring precedents.[/FONT]
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[FONT=georgia, times new roman, times, serif]“I do think that it is a jolt to the legal system when you overrule a precedent,” he said. “Precedent plays an important role in promoting stability and evenhandedness. It is not enough—and the court has emphasized this on several occasions—it is not enough that you may think the prior decision was wrongly decided. That really doesn’t answer the question, it just poses the question.”[/FONT]
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[FONT=georgia, times new roman, times, serif]This careful jurist continued: “And you do look at these other factors, like settled expectations, like the legitimacy of the court, like whether a particular precedent is workable or not, whether a precedent has been eroded by subsequent developments.”[/FONT]
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[FONT=georgia, times new roman, times, serif]He learnedly cited Alexander Hamilton, who wrote in Federalist 78: “To avoid an arbitrary discretion in the judges, they need to be bound down by rules and precedents.”[/FONT]
[FONT=georgia, times new roman, times, serif]Chief Justice John Roberts, the likely swing vote in this case, was exactly right when he said these things during his 2005 confirmation hearings. If he uses his own standards, it is impossible to see how he can justify the use of “arbitrary discretion” to discard a well-established system whose construction began with the Tillman Act of 1907.
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[FONT=georgia, times new roman, times, serif]Were the courts that set the earlier precedents “legitimate”? This ban was upheld over many years by justices of a variety of philosophical leanings. We are not talking about overturning a single decision by a bunch of activists in robes seizing a temporary court majority.[/FONT]
[FONT=georgia, times new roman, times, serif]Are the precedents “workable”? The answer is clearly yes, which is why there is absolutely no popular demand to let corporate cash loose into our politics. Our system would be less “workable” if the court abruptly changed the law.[/FONT]
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[FONT=georgia, times new roman, times, serif]Has the precedent been “eroded”? Absolutely not. In case after case, no matter where particular court majorities stood on particular campaign finance provisions, the ban on corporate contributions was taken for granted. As the court stated just six years ago, Congress’ power to prohibit direct corporate and union contributions “has been firmly embedded in our law.” That’s what you call “settled expectations.”[/FONT]
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[FONT=georgia, times new roman, times, serif]This case is the clearest test Justice Roberts has faced so far as to whether he meant what he said to Congress in 2005. I truly hope he passes it. If he doesn’t, he will unleash havoc in our political system and greatly undermine the legitimacy of the court he leads.

E.J. Dionne’s e-mail address is ejdionne(at)washpost.com.

© 2009, Washington Post Writers Group [/FONT]
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[/FONT][FONT=georgia, times new roman, times, serif]Illustration courtesy of Adbusters[/FONT]

 

[InterestedParticipant]

[h1]It Could Be the End of Our Democracy as We Know It[/h1]

It's like we're watch two parallel tracks of deception. First, there is the covert destruction of our form of government and our liberties, which has been viciously underway since before it started over 200 years ago. Then we have these overt "events", like this sham of a court case, that come much later and publicly tear away the system using obviously contrived theater.

I think everyone here knows where this case is headed and what the decision will be. I would not be the least bit surprised to learn that "Citizens United" is a front group with establishment characters behind it, as this entire set of event appears contrived to begin with.

Finally, I find Truthdig's reporting of the entire incident almost as dishonest as the entire set of contrived events, presenting the story as if we live in a democracy now where corporation don't already totally control the political process. The entire framing of this story is a sham. Who the hell is Truthdig anyway? Who is behind them?

On edit, here is what I found at the bottom of the linked page...

A Progressive Journal of News and Opinion. Editor, Robert Scheer.

Bob Scheer, as in progressive journalist for The Nation and LA Times. Well, enough said. I just figured out what Truthdig is. I guess they're called Truthdig because they bury the truth.

 

[American Idol]

It Could Be the End of Our Democracy as We Know It

...and I feel fine? Oh wait, wrong tune...

 

[Liberty Star]

These are just mild symptoms and not the main ones, this flu started when Bush/Cheney decided that investing in liberation of Iraqis/Palestinains was more important than economic prosperity and democratic freedoms at home.

 

[Acala]

Huh?

This ISN'T a democracy!!!!!! It is a Republic!!!!

And it is already so corrupt that allowing corporations to make direct campaign contributions will only bring into the open what has already been going on since before we were born.

 

[InterestedParticipant]

This ISN'T a democracy!!!!!! It is a Republic!!!!

And it is already so corrupt that allowing corporations to make direct campaign contributions will only bring into the open what has already been going on since before we were born.

It's neither. I don't know what it's like to live in one of these, and I'm pretty old.

 

[FrankRep]

It's neither. I don't know what it's like to live in one of these, and I'm pretty old.

The United States was established as a Republic, however.

YouTube - The American Form of Government

 

[PaulaGem]

If the Supremes do that, then I think all purchased media advertising by any political campaigns (including referendums) should be outlawed.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=208957

As proposed in the thread above, campaigns should be limited to position papers and statements, debates and town hall meetings.

These should be archived on public websites until six months after the election for losing candidates and until the candidate has been out of office for two years if he wins.

A completely level playing field with limited government expenditure.

 

[PaulaGem]

This ISN'T a democracy!!!!!! It is a Republic!!!!

And it is already so corrupt that allowing corporations to make direct campaign contributions will only bring into the open what has already been going on since before we were born.

It is a Democratic Republic. The participation of the people in a democratic process is something that can not be denied if we are going to protect our rights.

There are communist republics too, remember?

 

[Theocrat]

Premonitions of the Times

One look at the title, and I thought, "We are not a democracy, but a republic." Then after some consideration, I realized our country wants neither. Some people claim we're a democracy, but then those same people go against it when it doesn't work in their favor (CA's Proposition 8, for example). If we are at the end of a "democracy," then we most surely are entering into a socialistic state, just in time for the red stripes to take over the white ones.

 

[FrankRep]

It is a Democratic Republic. The participation of the people in a democratic process is something that can not be denied if we are going to protect our rights.

There are communist republics too, remember?

It's hard to "protect rights" when 50% + 1 can vote your rights away.

 

[PaulaGem]

It's hard to "protect rights" when 50% + 1 can vote your rights away.

Strawman argument. The rights are constitutional and can not be voted away in that fashion.

Our government was a well constructed ship of state. If we can keep the Republicans and Democrats from drilling holes on both sides of the keel we can keep it from sinking.

 

[InterestedParticipant]

The United States was established as a Republic, however.

We've lived in a fascist state for our entire lifetimes. I think you gotta go pre-Lincoln to get back to something that resembles what our Founders envisioned.

 

[FrankRep]

Strawman argument. The rights are constitutional and can not be voted away in that fashion.

Thank God we're a "Rule of Law" under the Constitution (Republic) rather than "Rule of the Majority" (Democracy).

 

[TastyWheat]

On the actual issue at hand, overturning campaign finance laws, isn't it unconstitutional for the federal government to restrict campaign contributions, either from individuals or corporations? It probably would be bad news if corporations could directly donate to or spend money in support of candidates, but them's the breaks.

It doesn't mean a state couldn't place its own campaign finance restrictions on candidates running within the state (including Representatives and Senators). Some corporations do claim headquarters outside the U.S. so I'm not sure how those could be restricted. Also, I don't know if such restrictions could be created by states for Presidential elections (does it violate the "regulation" of interstate commerce?).

 

[FrankRep]

We've lived in a fascist state for our entire lifetimes. I think you gotta go pre-Lincoln to get back to something that resembles what our Founders envisioned.

I agree with you on that point.

 

[PaulaGem]

On the actual issue at hand, overturning campaign finance laws, isn't it unconstitutional for the federal government to restrict campaign contributions, either from individuals or corporations? It probably would be bad news if corporations could directly donate to or spend money in support of candidates, but them's the breaks.

It doesn't mean a state couldn't place its own campaign finance restrictions on candidates running within the state (including Representatives and Senators). Some corporations do claim headquarters outside the U.S. so I'm not sure how those could be restricted. Also, I don't know if such restrictions could be created by states for Presidential elections (does it violate the "regulation" of interstate commerce?).

But outlawing "brain washing" and "marketing" techniques in the selection for candidates for federal offices would be feasible, wouldn't it?

My God, can you imagine a campaign that could only deal with issues or face to face interaction with an opponant or the people?

 

[acptulsa]

The full impact of what the court could do in Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission has only begun to receive the attention it deserves. Even the word radical does not capture the extent to which the justices could turn our political system upside down. Will the high court use a case originally brought on a narrow issue to bring our politics back to the corruption of the Gilded Age?

Damn that's chilling! The politics of the Gilded Age were horribly corrupt! The only thing that saved the nation from it was the fact that the federal government started out so small. And even so, by 1900 and the peak of the robber barons, it had grown leaps and bounds. To think of corporations gaining even more power in the current atmosphere is terrifying.

On the actual issue at hand, overturning campaign finance laws, isn't it unconstitutional for the federal government to restrict campaign contributions, either from individuals or corporations? It probably would be bad news if corporations could directly donate to or spend money in support of candidates, but them's the breaks.

Who the hell said the Bill of Rights applies to things? I didn't. The Founders didn't. God didn't. Reason doesn't. What the @#$% God-given rights does a corporation have?!

 

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

What is a civil-measure versus a legal-precedent?

[h1]It Could Be the End of Our Democracy as We Know It[/h1]
[url]http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20090906_it_could_be_the_end_of_our_democracy_as_we_know_it/[/URL]

Posted on Sep 6, 2009

[FONT=georgia, times new roman, times, serif] [/FONT][FONT=georgia, times new roman, times, serif]By E.J. Dionne[/FONT]
[FONT=georgia, times new roman, times, serif] [/FONT][FONT=georgia, times new roman, times, serif]President Barack Obama’s health care speech on Wednesday will be only the second most consequential political moment of the week.[/FONT]
[FONT=georgia, times new roman, times, serif]Judged by the standard of an event’s potential long-term impact on our public life, the most important will be the argument before the Supreme Court (on the same day, as it happens) about a case that, if decided wrongly, could surrender control of our democracy to corporate interests.[/FONT]
[FONT=georgia, times new roman, times, serif]
[/FONT]
[FONT=georgia, times new roman, times, serif]This sounds melodramatic. It’s not. The court is considering eviscerating laws that have been on the books since 1907 in one case and 1947 in the other, banning direct contributions and spending by corporations in federal election campaigns. Doing so would obliterate precedents that go back two and three decades.[/FONT]
[FONT=georgia, times new roman, times, serif]
[/FONT]
[FONT=georgia, times new roman, times, serif]The full impact of what the court could do in Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission has only begun to receive the attention it deserves. Even the word radical does not capture the extent to which the justices could turn our political system upside down. Will the high court use a case originally brought on a narrow issue to bring our politics back to the corruption of the Gilded Age?[/FONT]
[FONT=georgia, times new roman, times, serif]
[/FONT]
[FONT=georgia, times new roman, times, serif]Citizens United, a conservative group, brought suit arguing that it should be exempt from the restrictions of the 2002 McCain-Feingold campaign finance law for a movie it made that was sharply critical of Hillary Clinton. The organization said it should not have to disclose who financed the film.[/FONT]
[FONT=georgia, times new roman, times, serif]
[/FONT]
[FONT=georgia, times new roman, times, serif]Instead of deciding the case before it, the court engaged in a remarkable act of overreach. On June 29, it postponed a decision and called for new briefs and a highly unusual new hearing, which is Wednesday’s big event. The court chose to consider an issue only tangentially raised by the case. It threatens to overrule a 1990 decision that upheld the long-standing ban on corporate money in campaigns.[/FONT]
[FONT=georgia, times new roman, times, serif]
[/FONT]
[FONT=georgia, times new roman, times, serif]I don’t have the space to cite all the precedents the court would have to set aside, going back to the Buckley campaign finance ruling of 1976, if it threw out the prohibition on corporate money. Suffice it to say that there is one member of the court who has spoken eloquently about the dangers of ignoring precedents.[/FONT]
[FONT=georgia, times new roman, times, serif]
[/FONT]
[FONT=georgia, times new roman, times, serif]“I do think that it is a jolt to the legal system when you overrule a precedent,” he said. “Precedent plays an important role in promoting stability and evenhandedness. It is not enough—and the court has emphasized this on several occasions—it is not enough that you may think the prior decision was wrongly decided. That really doesn’t answer the question, it just poses the question.”[/FONT]
[FONT=georgia, times new roman, times, serif]
[/FONT]
[FONT=georgia, times new roman, times, serif]This careful jurist continued: “And you do look at these other factors, like settled expectations, like the legitimacy of the court, like whether a particular precedent is workable or not, whether a precedent has been eroded by subsequent developments.”[/FONT]
[FONT=georgia, times new roman, times, serif]
[/FONT]
[FONT=georgia, times new roman, times, serif]He learnedly cited Alexander Hamilton, who wrote in Federalist 78: “To avoid an arbitrary discretion in the judges, they need to be bound down by rules and precedents.”[/FONT]
[FONT=georgia, times new roman, times, serif]Chief Justice John Roberts, the likely swing vote in this case, was exactly right when he said these things during his 2005 confirmation hearings. If he uses his own standards, it is impossible to see how he can justify the use of “arbitrary discretion” to discard a well-established system whose construction began with the Tillman Act of 1907.
[/FONT]
[FONT=georgia, times new roman, times, serif]
[/FONT]
[FONT=georgia, times new roman, times, serif]Were the courts that set the earlier precedents “legitimate”? This ban was upheld over many years by justices of a variety of philosophical leanings. We are not talking about overturning a single decision by a bunch of activists in robes seizing a temporary court majority.[/FONT]
[FONT=georgia, times new roman, times, serif]Are the precedents “workable”? The answer is clearly yes, which is why there is absolutely no popular demand to let corporate cash loose into our politics. Our system would be less “workable” if the court abruptly changed the law.[/FONT]
[FONT=georgia, times new roman, times, serif]
[/FONT]
[FONT=georgia, times new roman, times, serif]Has the precedent been “eroded”? Absolutely not. In case after case, no matter where particular court majorities stood on particular campaign finance provisions, the ban on corporate contributions was taken for granted. As the court stated just six years ago, Congress’ power to prohibit direct corporate and union contributions “has been firmly embedded in our law.” That’s what you call “settled expectations.”[/FONT]
[FONT=georgia, times new roman, times, serif]
[/FONT]
[FONT=georgia, times new roman, times, serif]This case is the clearest test Justice Roberts has faced so far as to whether he meant what he said to Congress in 2005. I truly hope he passes it. If he doesn’t, he will unleash havoc in our political system and greatly undermine the legitimacy of the court he leads.

E.J. Dionne’s e-mail address is ejdionne(at)washpost.com.

© 2009, Washington Post Writers Group [/FONT]
[FONT=georgia, times new roman, times, serif]

[/FONT][FONT=georgia, times new roman, times, serif]Illustration courtesy of Adbusters[/FONT]

What is a can of food versus a can of worms? A can of worms lasts beyond its due date effectiveness to the extent that its contents no longer is valuable in regards to social health but instead rots to the extent that it becomes a threat to it.

 

[dr. hfn]

The United States was established as a Republic, however.

YouTube - The American Form of Government

our republic has become democratized, the people have more power and influence than ever, but in my opinion this is bad and is leading us to despotism, thats why the founders set up a republic in which the people had less power (electoral college chooses president which is made up of state legislatures, no direct election of senators, governors chosen by state legislatures)