If it ain't broke, why are we fixing it?

[Pharoah]

Reading a lot of threads here, I'm concerned that a number of the changes going forward involve walking away from things that already worked well for us. A few of the changes either proposed or already in place:

* We should no longer use "Revolution" on our signs.
* Ron Paul Girl no longer used to promote money bomb.
* The term "money bomb" should no longer be used.
* Ron should get a speech writer.
* Ron should put a more positive spin on things.

My concern is that in adopting all these changes, we run the risk of making Ron appear just as bland and insincere as the other candidates...

We achieved record-breaking fund-raising success with all of the above working for us... so why are we fixing it again?

 

[Lord Xar]

why isn't the Ron Paul girl not gonna promote?

I agree, you never get rid of what works.... if something works better, great! But you keep all cyclinders going....all of them.

Get the Ron Paul girl back on the wagon, pronto!

 

[hard@work]

why isn't the Ron Paul girl not gonna promote?

I agree, you never get rid of what works.... if something works better, great! But you keep all cyclinders going....all of them.

Get the Ron Paul girl back on the wagon, pronto!

She was insulted by someone. I'd go to her to find out the rest so we can keep it from being drama. She could use some support and encouragement. No, I do not think the 30,000 emails she got was enough.

 

[Richandler]

Reading a lot of threads here, I'm concerned that a number of the changes going forward involve walking away from things that already worked well for us. A few of the changes either proposed or already in place:

* We should no longer use "Revolution" on our signs.
* Ron Paul Girl no longer used to promote money bomb.
* The term "money bomb" should no longer be used.
* Ron should get a speech writer.
* Ron should put a more positive spin on things.

My concern is that in adopting all these changes, we run the risk of making Ron appear just as bland and insincere as the other candidates...

We achieved record-breaking fund-raising success with all of the above working for us... so why are we fixing it again?

We need to change tactics for 2 reasons, there is less than 2 month till the first prmary and we don't have the percent that looks for a more "polished" candidate. That doesn' mean that any of the old stuff has to stop it just means it is crunch time.

 

[LibertyOfOne]

Ron Paul gained his support because he does not represent the establishment. So we should move to establishment like tactics?

 

[Richandler]

He got his support because he doesn't represent the unethical hacks and their tactics is constant attack and BS.

 

[freelance]

Ron Paul gained his support because he does not represent the establishment. So we should move to establishment like tactics?

No, I don't think anyone would favor that! I think what people are saying is that he might want to find a way to appeal to the more mainstream folks.

There are two dynamics at work--the campaign and the American people. The American people are becoming more disenchanted by the day (except for the base), if you look at the polls. That means that they are more receptive to a new message. I think that people are suggesting that he "refine" his message a bit so that his appeal invites those people into the fold. In order to get the message, they have to understand the message.

For anyone who's watched Ron Paul over time, some days he's really on--his thoughts flow effortlessly from one to the next. Other days, he rambles and jumps from one thought to the next without any segue whatsoever and without completing thoughts.

We are already on board. We understand what he's saying. Those outside the fold are not. The American people have been told what to think for so long that when they hear a new message (liberty as opposed to conformity), they have to have it expaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiined thoroughly and in bite-sized pieces.

I sure hope that no one wants to throw the baby out with the bathwater, because that's what got us here, and I'm sure that Ron Paul would have none of that idea.

 

[Benaiah]

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[Richandler]

One thing I would like to mention as an actor, is that my mentor and teacher For about 2 years has predicted every election she's taken a stab at. The reason? The "positive energy" from the candidates. She has no biased she can just tell and learning from her I know what she means by it now. Ron could use a speech coach more than a speech writer. It might be a little more work but it would definately pay-off. It would get us more fired up too.

 

[huchahucha]

In no particular order (and not directed to the original poster):

If you don't like the term "money bomb", go here: http://www.luntz.com/
Perhaps this guy can help with words that might work for you.

Ron Paul Girl is perfect in every way.

As the poet Marilyn Manson once said,
"...you say you want a revolution man, and I say that you're full of shit"

Maybe a speech writer should get Ron Paul.

You should get a more negative outlook.

 

[Malakai0]

My god fuck the MSM already. Don't let their spin change the campaign. Have some guts people! Liv, go right on doing your thing.


The establishment is going to do EVERYTHING they can to discredit us until the primary and then the general election when we win. You look worse by changing your message to accommodate bad perceptions, Dr Paul never ever does this and neither should we.


This IS a revolution.
We have many diverse participants.
We are doing very well.

Just go with it and stop being so critical! If you ignore the media bs it goes away quickly. You bet your ass they will report over and over that we got rid of the revolution thing with some nasty spin on it. If they didn't use the Liv vid they would have just associated us with terrorists for the nov 5th thing again or some other ridiculous nonsense. Theres zip we can do about it but keep doing what we're doing, raising money and attention!

 

[Benaiah]

Ron Paul isn't that great of an orator, he has said so himself. He's also said that he has his shortcomings, but the message has no short comings. Ron Paul fever is spreading like wildfire because of our grass roots tactics, I still don't see how blending in with the rest will add more fuel to our fire.

In all honesty, even if Ron were to win the Republican primary, I would still think that we should keep up with the Revolution stuff mixed in with the normal stuff. Don't do away with it, though.

 

[LibertyOfOne]

At the most all Ron might need is a speech coach to polish him up a bit. I can see how that would help, but to have someone write speeches for him would take away what makes him Ron Paul.

 

[eloquensanity]

I COULD NOT AGREE WITH YOU MORE! And with the original poster, also!!

I do not understand why people want to change what is working. Guys, seriously.


Who are you trying to attract with these new changes? My family and I are the type that you would probably point to and say "we have to change to attract them." Well guess what, the "Revolution" attracted us to Ron Paul.

Me - I go to 4 church services a week, am waiting until I'm married to kiss my fiancé, go door-knocking to invite people to church every week, don't drink or do drugs, don't swear, and voted for Bush both elections.

My parents and siblings - They home school, go to 4 church services a week, have voted Republican their whole life, have NEVER donated money or time to a politician or campaign, and supported the war up until they found Ron Paul.

My grandparents - attend church but aren't that religious, have been lifelong Republicans, voted for Bush both elections, supported the war in Iraq until I showed them Paul's views.

My brother - Missionary in a country that would put him in jail if they found out. Lifelong Republican who has never voted Democrat. Add all my "morals" and times it by two. He never kissed a girl until he was married and I doubt he's even cussed his whole life.


I could go on and on and on. Who are "these people" that you think aren't going to come around unless we act like the other campaigns? The Revolution is attracting EVERYONE-- from anti war hippies on the left, to religious right nut jobs like my family on the right.

Guys, we are on FIRE. Why stop now? I seriously don't get it.


[edit] I think that the Revolution is working because people want a change. Lefties, righties, and "mainstream" all want a change in this country, and nobody is providing any alternatives except Ron Paul. I've converted 2 people at work who are "mainstream." One liked McCain, and the other liked Clinton and Obama. Once I showed them what the Revolution was up to, they we're both hooked.

Good post. We don't need to change we just need the message to be heard.

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[Benaiah]

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[Pharoah]

Thanks for the thoughtful replies. freelance and others makes a good case for adopting a speech coach, though I'm not convinced that any other refinements would be an improvement. Benaiah makes an impassioned plea the power of "Revolution." - we'd be foolish to ignore it. According to Ron Paul Girl, teaparty07.com received complaints about her underwear videos [not the ones used by the grassroots campaign] and the decision was made to avoid controversy and not use her videos. On this subject, I agree with huchahucha.

 

[Proemio]

My concern is that in adopting all these changes, we run the risk of making Ron appear just as bland and insincere as the other candidates...

Perhaps that is the idea... I say perhaps but am personally satisfied that this is so.

Some formula peddlers are doing it reflexively and innocently - they should reexamine why they support a movement about freedom and personal responsibility. Others are interested in what is good for the party first, the battle and Ron Paul second. And others still, are clearly gatekeepers for various special interests, who would like this thing to go away. It would be unnatural if it weren't so.

Therefore, the key is to rely on good instinct and common sense when evaluating all the suggestions, especially demands of what MUST be done. This "grassroots phenomena going main-stream" has shown to be able to walk and chew gum AND give the dark-agers a headache or two, precisely because most people simply follow the best advice - their own.

Consider:
It's the official campaign's job to dot the is and cross the ts as far as ensuring all the forms are filed to comply wih the (s)election machine, make sure Ron Paul gets to where he needs to be on time, and devise some coherent national message.

It's our job to energize the whole, while growing support locally and individually. Obviously, that will require all kinds of different and creative approaches. (In jest, I was wondering when someone would suggest a uniform.)

And most important. There is not a single person alive who can credibly claim experience with what is going on, even less with what "must" be done. Even history doesn't tell us much, except that when enough people decide it's time to clean house, they will, in creative and unexpected ways.

Suggestions are great, but demands are out of line, and when directed at the good doctor himself, they are preposterous.

All's cool though. The usual sequence goes like this: A thread is started with some demand or formula. It is immediately followed by a number of "I agree, 'we' must." Followed by some contrarian opinions. And then everything goes on as it naturally must - there is no stopping this...

 

[Dlynne]

One thing I would like to mention as an actor, is that my mentor and teacher For about 2 years has predicted every election she's taken a stab at. The reason? The "positive energy" from the candidates. She has no biased she can just tell and learning from her I know what she means by it now. Ron could use a speech coach more than a speech writer. It might be a little more work but it would definately pay-off. It would get us more fired up too.

I don't think a speech writer/speech coach is changing things. It is only making his wonderful speeches getting an even better delivery. Candidates have speech writers and coaches because they are tired, tired, tired on the ccampaign trail and they need help making sure that the least number of words delivers the message at a level that hits the greatest number of people.

 

[Ron Paul Fan]

I don't agree with any of the changes in the OP. I think Ron Paul is doing a great job and I was the only one who commended him for it in the other thread discussing this. Not only is he doing a great job, but we're doing a great job! When we make a mistake, it is the obligation of the people through their representatives to correct the mistake not to continue the mistake. But are the things in the OP mistakes? I don't think so! LET THE REVOLUTION CONTINUE TO GROW!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Thunderbolt]

We are fixing it to appeal to a broader base. We need more voters. If it weren't broke we would be polling at 100%, everyone in the world would know Ron Paul and not one person would ever call him or his supporters a kook.

You don't play the first quarter the same way you do the fourth quarter. Things change and if we don't change we will stagnate.