HYPOCRISY! US, EU condemn Russia for recognizing Ossetia independence!

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Very interesting...... when the prospective US puppet state of Kosovo declared independence from Serbia, US and EU not only recognized the shitty Kosovo regime....but we bombed the fuck out of Serbia to guarantee Kosovo's "freedom"

Now, when Russia recognizes Ossetian independence, whose people speak Russian, whose Northern Ossetian brothers are actually part of Russia proper, and 95% voted to have no part of Georgia (BEFORE Suckashvilli murdered 2000 of them!).......the Russian protectors are somehow guilty of "interfering" and of "destabilizing" the region!!!

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/26/russia.vote.georgia/index.html

 

[klamath]

On both sides. Russia was quite happy to supply arms to Serbia to commit genocide on their breakaway republics and Russia was quite happy to crush Chechnya even though the population has wanted to be indepentent for centuries.

I say we stay out of it and NATO but ditch the Russian worship.

 

[SigurdVolsung]

On both sides. Russia was quite happy to supply arms to Serbia to commit genocide on their breakaway republics and Russia was quite happy to crush Chechnya even though the population has wanted to be indepentent for centuries.

I say we stay out of it and NATO but ditch the Russian worship.

I have to say I don't buy the Serbians commiting genocide on anyone. People died, but it wasn't ethnic cleansing.

 

[klamath]

I have to say I don't buy the Serbians commiting genocide on anyone. People died, but it wasn't ethnic cleansing.

Sorry comrade, I was there it was. Even the smallest little farms isolated high in the mountains were distroyed.

 

[dannno]

I say we stay out of it and NATO but ditch the Russian worship.

Nobody here worships Russia. We are just able to admit that the US has acted worse than Russia in regards to foreign policy in the last decade.

 

[Cowlesy]

I say we stay out of it and NATO but ditch the Russian worship.

God Bless America and us Americans trying to save it.

+1000

 

[Number19]

Sorry comrade, I was there it was. Even the smallest little farms isolated high in the mountains were distroyed.

This does not constitute genocide. By this rather broad definition, every nation which has ever gone to war has committed genocide. Sherman committed genocide against Georgians (the American state) on his march to the sea. About the worst that could be said is that ethic cleansing was taking place. After the Serbian war, ethnic cleansing occurred against Serbians as Bosnia drove Serbs from their borders. Genocide is the wholesale destruction of an ethnic population/culture. Both cases fell just a little short of this,imo. If you maintain that the Serbs practiced genocide, then you must recognize that the Bosnians practiced genocide following the war. If you disagree, explain your position.

 

[New Governor Of Alaska]

Blowback From Bear-Baiting

By Pat Buchanan

Mikheil Saakashvili's decision to use the opening of the Olympic Games to cover Georgia's invasion of its breakaway province of South Ossetia must rank in stupidity with Gamal Abdel-Nasser's decision to close the Straits of Tiran to Israeli ships.

Is not Western hypocrisy astonishing?

When the Soviet Union broke into 15 nations, we celebrated. When Slovenia, Croatia, Macedonia, Bosnia, Montenegro and Kosovo broke from Serbia, we rejoiced. Why, then, the indignation when two provinces, whose peoples are ethnically separate from Georgians and who fought for their independence, should succeed in breaking away?

READ MORE -- http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=28053

 

[SigurdVolsung]

Firstly, over a million Serbs were killed in the 20th Century. So when Yugoslavia broke up and ethnic Serbs were being killed by Croats (who killed hundreds of thousands at least during the Second World War) and Muslim Bosnians the Serbians moved in to protect their people. But when you fight Irregular forces that might as well be civilians their will be civilian casualties on both sides.

I have a hard time believing that villagers were lined up and shot or people were ethnically cleansed. The same thing happened in Kosovo when the Albanians started killing Serbs and selling them into prostitution not to mention harvesting their organs.

I used to have an article talking about the fake information used to claim war crimes were commited by Serbian forces, I'll have to dig it up.

 

[klamath]

This does not constitute genocide. By this rather broad definition, every nation which has ever gone to war has committed genocide. Sherman committed genocide against Georgians (the American state) on his march to the sea. About the worst that could be said is that ethic cleansing was taking place. After the Serbian war, ethnic cleansing occurred against Serbians as Bosnia drove Serbs from their borders. Genocide is the wholesale destruction of an ethnic population/culture. Both cases fell just a little short of this,imo. If you maintain that the Serbs practiced genocide, then you must recognize that the Bosnians practiced genocide following the war. If you disagree, explain your position.

When I was there I cursed Clinton for getting me involved. I didn't then and don't now think we should have been there but that doesn't let the Russians off the hook for being involved. There was without a doubt genocide on all sides but the well supplied Serbian army did by far the worst in Bosnia. The olympic stadium in Sarajevo has been turned into a giant graveyard with thousands of white crosses. We could go around and around about the definition of genocide but then it doesn't matter, thousands have died in senseless conflicts everywhere. I agree with you that Sherman was a madman and I have always hated him even if I am not Southern. Sherman was the architect of the Indian war genocides.

What I am getting tired of is wholesale praise of everything the Russians do even if it is exactly the same things our neocons would have done if they were Russian. Another person questioned me about US foreign policy in the last 17 years and I have started threads on how I think our treatment of the Russians after the fall of the Soviet empire was the worse foreign policy blunder made in decades. I have absolutely no problem with the Russian people as I have no problems with all peoples of the world as individuals but I know governments to be just as corrupt or worse than ours.

 

[klamath]

Nobody here worships Russia. We are just able to admit that the US has acted worse than Russia in regards to foreign policy in the last decade.

Ask the governor.

 

[Number19]

Thanks for the reasoned response, Klamath. We both both agree that it was a bad situation all around. On my part, I reserve genocide as a description for the most extreme forms and totality of racial elimination. I like the terminology of racial cleansing to indicate the removal of an ethnic group from an area, but smaller numbers are involved and may be achieved not only by violence but also methods less extreme such as forced migration.

You know, there is another potential flash point, Taiwain. China claims the island as its own. The United States and most of the world does not recognize it as a sovereign state.

Sounds like Georgia/South Ossetia, but I highly doubt that America would support an invasion by China of Taiwan, as it did support Georgia in its invasion of tiny South Ossetia.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I say we stay out of it and NATO but ditch the Russian worship.

Thank You!