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Gold's revaluation and accounting

jonahtrainer

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Found this on another forum and thought you may find it interesting.

Maybe this is a really stupid question but I'm gonna ask it anyways. What would happen if the US$ crashed and new legislation was introduced to return the $ to the gold standard? Gold being more or less US$900/oz., how may oz.s of gold exist on paper, it's clear the physical is decoupled from the ETF so what's the difference anymore?

Someone did a calc of money stock vs ounces of gold I think and came up with something like $50,000.00 an ounce.

Check me please.

There is about $50,000 of M3 per 1 ounce of gold. But GATA says they have less than half the gold they say they have. In addition, there are 140 ounces of 'paper gold' for every ounce of physical gold.

I was trying to figure this out once and came to some outrageous number like $7,000,000 for each 1 ounce of gold in your hand. We do not know exactly how it will play out but we do know the current valuations are grossly mis-priced. The accounting gold is going to do will shift huge amounts of wealth.
 
I wrote an article on it posted on Seeking Alpha a while back.

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'Gold as Money' Means a Potentially Massive Rise in Valuation

One thing that the world has forgotten for the most part, is that gold is money. It has been parroted around for three generations as a commodity only, with little industrial use or demand, and no value as a currency.

Humans have this interesting tendency to forget history, even though through all of time it consistently repeats itself.

The cycle I am speaking of is the one where societies and economies cycle back and forth between paper fiat money backed by nothing but a governments promise that it has value, and currency that is backed by gold and silver.

This is not new, and in my opinion will happen again, as it always has, for thousands of years.

For a while now I have been going on about how the Chinese, OPEC, and other nations that have trillions of USD in their reserves are not going to simply sit on it and watch it devalue by 16%-20% a year because of a rampant monetary inflation policy of the Federal Reserve.



Dollar crisis looms, says Nobel laureate Mundell
Reuters June 3, 2008 at 8:36 AM EDT

VALENCIA, Spain — A major dollar crisis could come within five years and China is discussing reforms to the global monetary system to protect its $1.6-trillion (U.S.) reserves pile, says Nobel Prize-winning economist Robert Mundell.

Mr. Mundell, who has regular contacts with Beijing officials, said they are considering proposing ways to fix major currencies including the dollar and the euro, in a system similar to the one which operated under the Bretton Woods agreement from the end of World War Two until the 1970s.

If you were China and seeing this happen to your National Treasury, would you sit there and do nothing or look for a solution?

The answer is obvious.

China is worried about its pile of about $1.6-trillion in foreign reserves, built up during years of U.S. trade deficits, which loses value as the greenback depreciates.

The excerpts from the above Reuters article shows that China seems to be interested in a gold backed system. If this were to occur, we need to take a serious look at what it means for the price and demand of gold.

I will give you one simple equation, which you can then apply to any nation, or the economy at large. If the USA were to go to a gold backed standard, that means each dollar in circulation would then have to be redeemable in gold. The current measure of USD in circulation based on private firm analysis is above $14 Trillion USD. The US Treasury claims it has 261,498,899.316 ounces of gold according to its website. If we were to divide the number of USD in circulation by the amount of gold claimed to be on hand in the US Treasury, it would make the price of gold $53,537.00 per ounce.

You can perform this calculation on any nations currency, if you know the amount of currency in circulation and the country’s claimed national reserves in gold.

The bottom line is, if the world heads to any form of gold backed currency system, or any world government chooses to make its own currency backed in gold, then two things would happen:

1. That country will be the best runner up for the next world reserve currency
2. The valuation on gold will skyrocket beyond the angels

"Without reform, the global monetary system is headed for a dollar crisis within years, Mr. Mundell believes." I sure hope you own some gold before that happens.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/80165-gold-as-money-means-a-potentially-massive-rise-in-valuation?source=feed
 
Those are interesting numbers. But let's say for the sake of argument, that this *did* happen, let's say tomorrow... would prices even remotely be the same anymore?

Gold at $53,537.00 per ounce... would that mean that people who had gold would suddenly be able to buy a car with a krugerrand? Or would that just mean that the price of a loaf of bread would suddenly be $5000 dollars or something?

Help me with this... *scratches head*
 
Two thoughts here:

1. I sure hope gold does not revalue to this level rapidly, if it does it means we have witnessed total destruction of the dollar and while gold may be doing well, real life will suck for the common man beyond measure.

2. During the hyperinflation of Wiemar Germany, you could purchase an entire city block with all of the buildings on it for 20 ounces of gold.

Not completely unrealistic, yet if it occurs it wont necessarily be something to be excited about.
 
Gold at $53,537.00 per ounce... would that mean that people who had gold would suddenly be able to buy a car with a krugerrand? Or would that just mean that the price of a loaf of bread would suddenly be $5000 dollars or something?

Help me with this... *scratches head*

Unfortunately, the latter. A new car would probably require millions of dollars at the specified devaluation.
 
Those are interesting numbers. But let's say for the sake of argument, that this *did* happen, let's say tomorrow... would prices even remotely be the same anymore?

Gold at $53,537.00 per ounce... would that mean that people who had gold would suddenly be able to buy a car with a krugerrand? Or would that just mean that the price of a loaf of bread would suddenly be $5000 dollars or something?

Help me with this... *scratches head*

Spot on with the past two posts. What is going to happen is almost all the purchasing power the Baby Boomers think they have is going to be either (1) destroyed or (2) shift hands.

The GOR will likely remain fairly consistent at 2.3-3.3 grams of gold per barrel. Base your mental calculations of value based on that.
 
Obviously Gold will NOT be the sole medium of a metals based currency....but not to worry there are plenty of other metals that can fill in the "smaller" denominations.

I think I read somewhere that Paul has about 3 million in gold himself?? Not too bad of a stacking job Dr. ....we salute you!!!
 
Obviously Gold will NOT be the sole medium of a metals based currency....but not to worry there are plenty of other metals that can fill in the "smaller" denominations.

I think I read somewhere that Paul has about 3 million in gold himself?? Not too bad of a stacking job Dr. ....we salute you!!!

I think the digital gold currencies are the future for currency. Any commodity can be bailed into the vault, digitized and used as a currency. There is already a bill to make such Legal Tender, etc.
 
If that were to happen to gold, what would happen to silver?

I might have to get a bit of gold to compliment my silver stash...
 
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