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There is enough here to read and ponder about for weeks. I simply wanted to present the links here for those of you interested in reading, learning and thinking more
about this period, from the Crucifixion of Jesus Christ to the Seige of Jerusalem in A.D. 70.
There was so much taking place. Many sects were at odds. The Galileans were at odds with the Saducees (many of which were Hasmoneans), and it would appear certain Pharisees became Christians, or sympathizers at the very least (Saul/Paul, Nicodemus, Gamaliel, others...) as did Romans, Greeks, and Jews. The Pharisees, according to Josephus, slew the Hasmonean priests in the temple in A.D. 63. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharisees ).
They objected to the murder of James The Great, Bishop of Jerusalem. It was not until decades later that new Pharisees within Judaism replaced them, and the Saducees never came back.
Talmudic Evidence for the Messiah at 30 C.E.
http://www.windowview.org/hmny/pgs/talmuds.30ce.html
Ancient Temple Signs and Signs of the Last Days
Unusual signs in the ministry of the priests
http://web.archive.org/web/20130308...w/ancient_temple_signs_and_the_last_days.html
A rabbi tries to offer explanations regarding one of the Yomas, 39, but for a number of reasons, his explanations are misleading and incorrect.
He says there was two strips of crimson, but the only relevant one is the strip on the temple door, which did not turn white. He also doesn't mention
the extreme effort in which the Saducee priests and sages tried to cover up this fact, as the people were upset, and too inquisitive. Consider:
"Rav Na?man bar Yitz?ak said: The ordinance was with regard to the strip of crimson wool used on Yom Kippur. As it is taught in a baraita: At first they would tie a strip of crimson wool to the opening of the Entrance Hall of the Temple on the outside. If, after the sacrificing of the offerings and the sending of the scapegoat, the strip turned white, the people would rejoice, as this indicated that their sins had been atoned for. If it did not turn white they would be sad. When the Sages saw that people were overly distressed on Yom Kippur, they instituted that they should tie the strip of crimson wool to the opening of the Entrance Hall on the inside, where only a few could enter to see it.
But people would still peek and see it, and once again, if it turned white they would rejoice, and if it did not turn white they would be sad. Therefore, the Sages instituted that they should tie half of the strip to a rock near the place where the one who sent the scapegoat stood and half of it between the horns of the scapegoat, so that the people would not know what happened to the strip until after the conclusion of Yom Kippur. This ordinance was instituted by Rabban Yo?anan ben Zakkai."
Rosh Hashanah 31b
The William Davidson Talmud (Koren - Steinsaltz)
https://www.sefaria.org/Rosh_Hashan..._Davidson_Edition_-_Vocalized_Aramaic&lang=bi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yohanan_ben_Zakkai
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"10. Therefore when many even of the rulers believed, there was a commotion among the Jews and Scribes and Pharisees, who said that there was danger that the whole people would be looking for Jesus as the Christ. Coming therefore in a body to James they said, We entreat thee, restrain the people; for they are gone astray in regard to Jesus, as if he were the Christ. [500] We entreat thee to persuade all that have come to the feast of the Passover concerning Jesus; for we all have confidence in thee. For we bear thee witness, as do all the people, that thou art just, and dost not respect persons. [501]
11. Do thou therefore persuade the multitude not to be led astray concerning Jesus. For the whole people, and all of us also, have confidence in thee. Stand therefore upon the pinnacle of the temple, [502] that from that high position thou mayest be clearly seen, and that thy words may be readily heard by all the people. For all the tribes, with the Gentiles also, are come together on account of the Passover.'
12. The aforesaid Scribes and Pharisees therefore placed James upon the pinnacle of the temple, and cried out to him and said: Thou just one, in whom we ought all to have confidence, forasmuch as the people are led astray after Jesus, the crucified one, declare to us, what is the gate of Jesus.' [503]
13. And he answered with a loud voice, Why do ye ask me concerning Jesus, the Son of Man? He himself sitteth in heaven at the right hand of the great Power, and is about to come upon the clouds of heaven.' [504]
14. And when many were fully convinced and gloried in the testimony of James, and said, Hosanna to the Son of David,' these same Scribes and Pharisees said again to one another, We have done badly in supplying such testimony to Jesus. But let us go up and throw him down, in order that they may be afraid to believe him.'
15. And they cried out, saying, Oh! oh! the just man is also in error.' And they fulfilled the Scripture written in Isaiah, [505] Let us take away [506] the just man, because he is troublesome to us: therefore they shall eat the fruit of their doings.'
16. So they went up and threw down the just man, and said to each other, Let us stone James the Just.' And they began to stone him, for he was not killed by the fall; but he turned and knelt down and said, I entreat thee, Lord God our Father, [507] forgive them, for they know not what they do.' [508]"
Church History — Eusebius Pamphilius
https://biblehub.com/library/pamphilius/church_history/chapter_xxiii_the_martyrdom_of_james.htm
Read:
CONCERNING ALBINUS UNDER WHOSE PROCURATORSHIP JAMES WAS SLAIN; AS ALSO WHAT EDIFICES WERE BUILT BY AGRIPPA.
Flavius Josephus, The Wars of the Jews VI.V.III
https://www.ccel.org/j/josephus/works/war-6.htm
about this period, from the Crucifixion of Jesus Christ to the Seige of Jerusalem in A.D. 70.
There was so much taking place. Many sects were at odds. The Galileans were at odds with the Saducees (many of which were Hasmoneans), and it would appear certain Pharisees became Christians, or sympathizers at the very least (Saul/Paul, Nicodemus, Gamaliel, others...) as did Romans, Greeks, and Jews. The Pharisees, according to Josephus, slew the Hasmonean priests in the temple in A.D. 63. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharisees ).
They objected to the murder of James The Great, Bishop of Jerusalem. It was not until decades later that new Pharisees within Judaism replaced them, and the Saducees never came back.
Talmudic Evidence for the Messiah at 30 C.E.
http://www.windowview.org/hmny/pgs/talmuds.30ce.html
Ancient Temple Signs and Signs of the Last Days
Unusual signs in the ministry of the priests
http://web.archive.org/web/20130308...w/ancient_temple_signs_and_the_last_days.html
A rabbi tries to offer explanations regarding one of the Yomas, 39, but for a number of reasons, his explanations are misleading and incorrect.
He says there was two strips of crimson, but the only relevant one is the strip on the temple door, which did not turn white. He also doesn't mention
the extreme effort in which the Saducee priests and sages tried to cover up this fact, as the people were upset, and too inquisitive. Consider:
"Rav Na?man bar Yitz?ak said: The ordinance was with regard to the strip of crimson wool used on Yom Kippur. As it is taught in a baraita: At first they would tie a strip of crimson wool to the opening of the Entrance Hall of the Temple on the outside. If, after the sacrificing of the offerings and the sending of the scapegoat, the strip turned white, the people would rejoice, as this indicated that their sins had been atoned for. If it did not turn white they would be sad. When the Sages saw that people were overly distressed on Yom Kippur, they instituted that they should tie the strip of crimson wool to the opening of the Entrance Hall on the inside, where only a few could enter to see it.
But people would still peek and see it, and once again, if it turned white they would rejoice, and if it did not turn white they would be sad. Therefore, the Sages instituted that they should tie half of the strip to a rock near the place where the one who sent the scapegoat stood and half of it between the horns of the scapegoat, so that the people would not know what happened to the strip until after the conclusion of Yom Kippur. This ordinance was instituted by Rabban Yo?anan ben Zakkai."
Rosh Hashanah 31b
The William Davidson Talmud (Koren - Steinsaltz)
https://www.sefaria.org/Rosh_Hashan..._Davidson_Edition_-_Vocalized_Aramaic&lang=bi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yohanan_ben_Zakkai
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"10. Therefore when many even of the rulers believed, there was a commotion among the Jews and Scribes and Pharisees, who said that there was danger that the whole people would be looking for Jesus as the Christ. Coming therefore in a body to James they said, We entreat thee, restrain the people; for they are gone astray in regard to Jesus, as if he were the Christ. [500] We entreat thee to persuade all that have come to the feast of the Passover concerning Jesus; for we all have confidence in thee. For we bear thee witness, as do all the people, that thou art just, and dost not respect persons. [501]
11. Do thou therefore persuade the multitude not to be led astray concerning Jesus. For the whole people, and all of us also, have confidence in thee. Stand therefore upon the pinnacle of the temple, [502] that from that high position thou mayest be clearly seen, and that thy words may be readily heard by all the people. For all the tribes, with the Gentiles also, are come together on account of the Passover.'
12. The aforesaid Scribes and Pharisees therefore placed James upon the pinnacle of the temple, and cried out to him and said: Thou just one, in whom we ought all to have confidence, forasmuch as the people are led astray after Jesus, the crucified one, declare to us, what is the gate of Jesus.' [503]
13. And he answered with a loud voice, Why do ye ask me concerning Jesus, the Son of Man? He himself sitteth in heaven at the right hand of the great Power, and is about to come upon the clouds of heaven.' [504]
14. And when many were fully convinced and gloried in the testimony of James, and said, Hosanna to the Son of David,' these same Scribes and Pharisees said again to one another, We have done badly in supplying such testimony to Jesus. But let us go up and throw him down, in order that they may be afraid to believe him.'
15. And they cried out, saying, Oh! oh! the just man is also in error.' And they fulfilled the Scripture written in Isaiah, [505] Let us take away [506] the just man, because he is troublesome to us: therefore they shall eat the fruit of their doings.'
16. So they went up and threw down the just man, and said to each other, Let us stone James the Just.' And they began to stone him, for he was not killed by the fall; but he turned and knelt down and said, I entreat thee, Lord God our Father, [507] forgive them, for they know not what they do.' [508]"
Church History — Eusebius Pamphilius
https://biblehub.com/library/pamphilius/church_history/chapter_xxiii_the_martyrdom_of_james.htm
Read:
CONCERNING ALBINUS UNDER WHOSE PROCURATORSHIP JAMES WAS SLAIN; AS ALSO WHAT EDIFICES WERE BUILT BY AGRIPPA.
Flavius Josephus, The Wars of the Jews VI.V.III
https://www.ccel.org/j/josephus/works/war-6.htm
