Gay/Abortion and Women's Rights

[boondoggle]

Hey, i'm 17 and new to the forums.. I won't be able to vote, but i've converted 2 of my teachers and both my parents. Right now i'm trying to get my sister to also vote for him and she's putting up a fight.

Her issue is that he is pro-life, and I told her that he would leave it up to the states to decide that and wouldn't force his opinion onto the country. Her argument was that saying "The states would choose" was his way of getting around it and that if he was for civil liberties he would agree that women have the right to choose what to do with their bodies. She doesn't think that if her state voted to be pro-life and she wanted an abortion, that she would have to move to another state. My argument was wouldn't you rather move to a different state than a different country, where she said some people wouldn't be able to afford to. What do I say to that? I've already explained that he is for small government intervention and less federal interference.

Also, she is pro-gay marriage and I told her that he believed the definition was a man and a women, but that he would leave it up to each state. Again she sees this as a way to jump around the issue and I told her that it would be better because it was up to the people.

She agrees with him on everything like the foreign policy and stuff, but thinks that it would be a scary world because everyone would be left to themselves.. She's also concerned about financial aid to college students being cut, along with other programs in the education area...

Can you clarify this stuff for me so I can get her converted too? I love that she cares so much though and asks questions, she really likes looking into this stuff. Any good rebut would be great!

Thanks.

 

[Cjays]

What do I say to that?

Tell her she doesn't have to get pregnant.

 

[boondoggle]

That won't solve anything, she thinks your born with the right to choose what to do with your body... Is that really the only comeback though? Not gonna get anywhere being pushy.

 

[Cjays]

Ask her what the Constitution says about abortion, and promise her RP will follow the Constitution. If she's still stuck, then you'll have to convince her that all the other issues RP stands for are more important than supporting the birth control method used by cave-woman.

 

[boondoggle]

I think thats what i'm gonna end up doing, make her realize some things are just more important than that. Even though right now abortion is a big debate with her, she's hardcore women's activist though. Like, men get paid more than women and were not equal type of stuff. But, i'll just keep talking to her. She'll be my project... *creepy stare* ... Anddd i'm done.

 

[murrayrothbard]

I'll stay away from the abortion one. People lose all sight of rationality on that.

As for gay marriage, yes, RP has said that it's not the federal governments business, but that he also thinks it's not the state's business really at all. His personal position is that government should not be involved in marriage. It's simply a voluntary association between two people.

 

[Melissa]

Have her watch this interview from yesterday I found on Youtube it was great and really makes you look at the other side of things. It is a long interview but the best I have seen so far. The part about abortion is in the 2nd video I think. You can tell the lady gets a little huffy with the good Dr. but when you hear his answer you can only respect it and think to yourself God I want this man in office.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx2vLUMmSiA&feature=PlayList&p=120BDA5B6348EB4B&index=0

 

[partypooper]

That won't solve anything, she thinks your born with the right to choose what to do with your body...

she is. she can choose whether to have sex or not.

 

[boondoggle]

Thanks Melissa... I e-mailed her the link to the second one, it could help.. Time will tell.

 

[Melissa]

Did you watch it. It really is the best Ron Paul Interview I have seen so far. Really long answers so you can really see if you agree on the issues with him. What is suprising I think is if more people saw this interview they would so agree that Dr. Paul is the right person for 2008 to get us back to some kind of idea that used to be the "American" idea.

 

[john_anderson_ii]

Women don't have rights. Gays don't have rights. Blacks don't have rights. People have rights. That's something she needs to understand. At some point, that extra embryonic tissue becomes a person, actual and whole. At some point, that embryonic tissue attains the right to life. Ron Paul happens to believe that point is the point of conception. Not everyone agrees with him. The Constitution has blessed us with a wonderful way of solving these problems, and that way is Amendment 10. Ron Paul is the ONLY pro-lifer who will set aside his personal beliefs and remove the Federal government from that issue as is proper. The only thing the Federal government can do is either outlaw it, or do nothing. Anything that is not outlawed is legal, you don't need a special law telling you that you are allowed to do something. Therefore, each state or county or community would have to tackle this issue as best they see fit. Roe Vs. Wade is preventing that, and should be overturned. Then the Federal Government should remain silent on the issue. Then all you sister would have to do is work hard to prevent her state from a passing a law against it.

 

[jumpyg1258]

I have heard in one of his various speeches that he does want the government to get out of the marriage business cause it really has no right being in it. I mean separation of church and state, c'mon people!!! =P

 

[Cjays]

Did you watch it. It really is the best Ron Paul Interview I have seen so far....

Thank you for point out that interview. I was going to recommend his interview with Adam Curry, which is where he also gets pretty descriptive on the subject.

 

[boondoggle]

Yeah, I liked how that female journalist (No clue what her name was) kept drilling him and he kept clarifying to her his position.. I haven't watched them all but the fact that the questions aren't fed to him and he has to justify and clarify his responses to the reporters just solidifies my support for him.

 

[Melissa]

Yes just when you think the good Dr. might stumble he clarifys his position even more so that you can only say well of course that is the way it should be.

 

[VoteRonPaul2008]

Well Paul voted against the amendment banning gay marrige... so he supports gays and a woman's right to chose is left up to the states

 

[RonPaulForLife]

Abortion:
The reason why it's such a heated issue in this country, as opposed to other countries, is because our abortion law was created by 9 appointed judges. Let's let the people decide, like they do in every other civilized country.
The morning after pill would still be available and women can drive to another state. You wouldn't even have to move.
If you can't afford it, the states can fund it on their own. No reason why we have to make someone in Alaska pay for an abortion in New York.

Gay marriage:
Why is the government regulating marriage? Gay marriage, polygamy, bigamy, Gay polygamous bigamy... they'd all be allowed by Ron Paul because Ron Paul wants the government out of such matters. He opposed the gay marriage ban amendment. He is the most extreme candidate, Democrat or Republican, in support of gay rights.

Financial aid for college:
States can still provide it. Why does it have to be federal? But I oppose it because I find it morally wrong. Why should someone who never had the benefit of college pay taxes to subsidize those who do go to college? Shouldn't it be the other way around? If anything college students should be taxed to pay for those single teenage mothers who will never get to go to college.

Department of Education:
Why is education being controlled by the federal government? Currently, the NYC public school system is being praised by educators around the US for its reforms. Just as NYC led the US in fighting crime in the 90's, NYC is leading the US in improving schools now. How are they doing it? Decentralization! The goal is to eventually spin off all of NYC's public schools into charter schools which would have control over their own affairs. This sort of low-level administration is the future of education, not national administration!

 

[Matt Collins]

People have rights.

Actually it would be more proper to say that individuals have rights.

 

[Corydoras]

Remind her that he is going to be president, not dictator... he can't overturn Roe by himself.

 

[Goldwater Conservative]

Someone who would not monitor what I do in my home, listen in on my phone calls, read my e-mails, search my property, limit what I can say, or violate my privacy in any other way, but would support the right of the people to look for a balance between a woman's right to choose and a child's right to live.

OR

Someone who would track every aspect of my personal affairs, but would let women have abortions on demand, even if it's 8.5 months into the pregnancy and they would pay nothing for bringing the child to term.



Hmm... who's the true civil libertarian?

I guess I'll just never understand the extreme value some people place on this one issue, especially when it overrides issues of real importance to a presidential election, like national defense and fiscal policy.