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Downplaying terrorism

entropy

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I am concerned when the threat of terrorism is scoffed at by supporters. It is a threat as long as we continue to occupy the ME. Even if Dr. Paul became President terrorism would continue. This kind of religious fundamental movement will not just disappear overnight. And the threat it poses to the world cannot be ignored.

If we managed to follow Ron Paul's advice it would greatly diminish the problem. Nonetheless, terrorism would still exist. We leave and they could impede the flow of oil, this would be devastating to our country. I firmly support leaving the ME, but these are issues that have to be accounted for. We are for peace and freedom, we cannot come across as naive.

American's are concerned with terrorism and rightfully so. When the issue is ridiculed I fear it translates poorly for our cause with the average everyday voter on the right.

Any thoughts?
 
Know the truth about our governments aggressive interventionalist foreign policies. Just look up Operation AJAX (the 1953 over throw of Iranian Democratically elected president Mosedec), Operation Gladio, Gulf of Tonkin incident and Operation Northwoods at the National Security Archive at the George Washington University website. Know the truth about why Ron Paul is opposed to this kind of government intervention and secrecy.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/

In other words we need to have a more open and honest government and uncover our own governments terrorist activities before we go after foreign terrorists. Congress should atleast be able to see our governments secret plans in order to vote for the funding of these covert operations. Ron Paul has tried to get the Bush cabinet to release documents concerning these undisclosed items that congress votes on and they refuse by claiming executive privilege. This is pure BS since congress needs this information to know what they are voting on to fund. The scary thing is that Ron Paul is about the only one that will vote not to fund something that he doesn't know specifically what it is going for, the rest of congress is complacent and votes to basically give Bush the money to fund these secret government operations.

If American citizens would just read the declassified documents that I mentioned above, the majority of them would be outraged and demand that checks would be put in place to ensure that these kinds of covert operations would never be funded by taxpayers money again.
 
It will remain a concern, but the key is to point out that our actions are creating more terrorists, not reducing the number of terrorists. Every mother or son or sister that is accidentally bombed or killed is 10 new terrorists committed to your destruction. Imagine how much you'd like to kill the bastards that were responsible for killing your family.

In 15 years, an Iraqi man is going to walk into an American embassy or a mall and blow himself up to avenge his cab driver father. I have little doubt of this. There haven't been many Iraqi terrorists...but there will be.
 
If they stop the flow of oil their revenue would be gone and they would be no threat to us. If they just cut it down to jack the price up then we will have the incentive to get our own energy, in which case they just messed themselves up.
The cost of the oil we are getting from the middle east is now less than the cost of the wars to keep it cheap. It is not even cost effective anymore.

Tell me how many terrorist attacks have we had in this country. If we are out of the middle east the major well funded ones would be greatly reduced.
 
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I am concerned when the threat of terrorism is scoffed at by supporters. It is a threat as long as we continue to occupy the ME. Even if Dr. Paul became President terrorism would continue. This kind of religious fundamental movement will not just disappear overnight. And the threat it poses to the world cannot be ignored.

If we managed to follow Ron Paul's advice it would greatly diminish the problem. Nonetheless, terrorism would still exist. We leave and they could impede the flow of oil, this would be devastating to our country. I firmly support leaving the ME, but these are issues that have to be accounted for. We are for peace and freedom, we cannot come across as naive.

American's are concerned with terrorism and rightfully so. When the issue is ridiculed I fear it translates poorly for our cause with the average everyday voter on the right.

Any thoughts?

I agree. Ron Paul could use a comprehensive terror paper to explain his views. The war on terror is the number one issue in the Republican Primary.
If you can knock down Rudy, McCain and Romney greatest perceived strength, then Ron Paul can win the primary.

We can win a war on terror or Islamic radicals by many different ways. We do not need to invade all Islamic countries.

Ron Paul wants to upgrade our border patrol. Otherwise the terrorists will come over here.

Even Newt calls this a phoney war when we leave our borders open, increase student visas to muslim countries and invite ten thousand refugees from Iraq, a number of whom will be sleeper cells.

If anything we should be sending Iraqis back to Iraq to help secure the peace, not let them flee here.

There are some hints that terrorist set the fires in San Diego.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58401
 
When the issue is ridiculed I fear it translates poorly for our cause with the average everyday voter on the right.

Any thoughts?

The issue itself isn't ridiculed, but certain people's reaction to the issue and how they propose to address it should be scorned and ridiculed.
 
Yes, there are real threats to this nation. That's why Dr. Paul wants to focus on protecting our nation, rather than meddling in the affairs of other nations.
 
Yes it is a threat, but it is blown out of proportion.
The threat could be minimized by several things. Changing our foreign policy is key.
Hurricanes are threats, Volcanoes are threats, meteors are threats. You can chose to live in fear or be prepared and deal with life.
 
I don't think it is overblown, the terrorist threat is one of the main reasons I support Dr. Paul. If he does not get into office surely there are going to be much larger attack, and it will be used by Washington to further justify taking away more rights. When I look at the governments actions - open borders, provoking hatred, creating a worthless dept of homeland security - all these things are making us less safe and more open to attack.
 
My 2 cents

We are, for all intent and purposes, at war.

1. I absolutley am a proponent of The Great USA not meddling in the affairs of other counties anymore. Period. We can no longer afford to be the policemen of the planet, and we have enough to worry and focus on, here on our soil, instead of worrying about bringing democracy here, or maintaining a presence there, or aiding this country for this reason etc.... this needs to end quickly.

2. Since we are at war, I am I huge proponent of congress and the federal government performing one of the few powers that we have given them, that being the protection of our boarders from enemies both foreign and domestic. Close our borders and become islolationist. When I say Isolationist, I do not mean totally. It would not make economic sense to become totally isolationist. Just a temporary moratorium on new entries into the country. No temporay visas unless you can absoluletly prove you are here on business. No new citizenships. All borders reinforced.

Mexico border, completely closed, walled, mined. Right now, Mexico is the weakest link in our defense against foreign invaders. You walk down the streets of LA and you will see signs saying that this is Mexico. The mayor of LA recently stated that Mexico has conquered LA. Lets face reality the war has come here let's bring our troops home and make our streets safe instead of everywhere else in the world.

I would like to see a simple policy of "dont bother us and we wont bother you" be put in place.

Even if we were to follow the radical steps illustrated above, Im sure we would still have a problem, but im sure it would be reduced dramatically.

My 2 cents
 
I think Paul woudl deal with terrorism more effectively.....without securing our broders or our ports and BORDERS hello - we are NOT acting like a nation fearful of terrorsim. We are full of rhetoric AND we are infringing on teh rights of honest cistizens instead of taking care of balatant areas of concern.. i dont disagree its an issue but its is overblown usually around some impending legislation...the next BIG threat to be trumped up will prolly be pandemics - I mean they already are but Im sure it will get worse in the media.

I think we hear about the hypothetical and Paul is trying to focus on reality instead some boogey man.
 
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