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Dont Taze me Bro

I want a new Ron Paul shirt that has Ron Paul on the front, and...

DON'T TAZE ME, BRO!!

on the back...

We've been saying this in the halls at work all week!! Classic...
 
I'm on the ground, on my stomach, with my hands behind my back, and 4 officers with 8 knees holding me down...

Besides, "he's being a dumb ass", please explain why this guy needed to be tased again??

Oh, that's right. He wouldn't shut up and he was making a spectacle of the police. Forgot, that's a felony, isn't it??
 
SwordOfShannarah said:
no, he wasn't.
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yes...he was.

When you go to a place like that, speak your mind. If asked to leave, don't act like an irrational douche bag. Sit down. It wasn't a conspiracy theory forum was it? He was being disrespectful and not complying with the rules. People have the right to ask him to leave or sit down. If he doesn't comply, that's his problem.
 
Bloody Holly said:
yes...he was.

When you go to a place like that, speak your mind. If asked to leave, don't act like an irrational douche bag. Sit down. It wasn't a conspiracy theory forum was it? He was being disrespectful and not complying with the rules. People have the right to ask him to leave or sit down. If he doesn't comply, that's his problem.
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I could see if he were threatening John Kerry, but he wasn't. He was actually siding with him and saying that he should've contested the election in 2004.

In fact, John Kerry wanted to answer his questions, and was in the process of doing so when the guy got tased.

Even if he wasn't following the rules and being disruptive, the cops had him on the ground, on his stomach, with their 8 knees in his back, and with his hands behind his back when they decided to tase him.

Why?
 
Bloody Holly said:
yes...he was.

When you go to a place like that, speak your mind. If asked to leave, don't act like an irrational douche bag. Sit down. It wasn't a conspiracy theory forum was it? He was being disrespectful and not complying with the rules. People have the right to ask him to leave or sit down. If he doesn't comply, that's his problem.
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The question is why was he asked to leave? Because someone didn't like his questioning? Because he was obnoxious? Whatever happened to "I may not agree with what you have to say but I'll defend your right to say it to the death".

And what right does anyone have to touch him in anyway at all? Whether he follows the rules exactly or not no one has the right to use force against him and that is what they did. He was not using force against anyone nor did he pretend to. He was only seconds away from being finished. Cutting off his mic was enough- no further action was needed.

You speak about rules.. and the rules are that you can ask a question unless we don't like how you ask it? You can ask one question but if you ask three you will be removed forceably?

You're going to find out you're alone on this one- but go ahead, keep making an argument to destroy freedom of political speech and for excessive, unnecessary force. We all still know the truth. :D
 
Bloody Holly said:
yes...he was.

When you go to a place like that, speak your mind. If asked to leave, don't act like an irrational douche bag. Sit down. It wasn't a conspiracy theory forum was it? He was being disrespectful and not complying with the rules. People have the right to ask him to leave or sit down. If he doesn't comply, that's his problem.
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No, that's not his problem. It's the officer's problem, and it looks very likely that the officer will be reprimanded for use of a tazer in violation of the department's regulations.

The student was handcuffed, under control by 6 officers, and posed no threat.

Using a tazer on a handcuffed person who poses no threat is a violation of department regulations.

In fact it is a violation of regulations at most departments around the country.
 
Bloody Holly said:
yes...he was.

When you go to a place like that, speak your mind. If asked to leave, don't act like an irrational douche bag. Sit down. It wasn't a conspiracy theory forum was it? He was being disrespectful and not complying with the rules. People have the right to ask him to leave or sit down. If he doesn't comply, that's his problem.
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When was he asked to leave? never. He was immediately under arrest. When the cops were shoving him away they weren't telling him to leave, they were trying to arrest him.

And what rule was he breaking?

I never saw on the video anyone asking him to shut up or asking him to sit down.

What I did see was some guy (representing Kerry?) signal to someone off camera, the cops also were taking signals from someone off camera, and when the time was right, they started their arrest.

The guy tried to leave, but that's not what the cops wanted.

Watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOlmNBxke-E
 
Okay I don't agree with the way cops handle such situations. It's happening alot lately with the tazing and mulitples of cops restraining but at the same time, using common sense at events like this should be a priority. People who go in like scattered brained barbarians....well it never turns out well. Take this as a learning lesson.

Cops are trained this way. I'm not sure if hiring only dumb cops is prevelant in certain states (I'm sure it is) but this is the result.

Both sides were wrong. If the student wouldn't have acted out and took his seat when asked, this wouldn't be a news story. When it comes to stories like this, I would like to see the unbiased and uncut version which I don't think that I have. I've seen the poor innocent student version only. Not the uncut one. Have any links?
 
What ever happened to peace officers? For those of you old enough to remember good old Andy Griffith of Mayberry. He was a peace officer. I realize it was just a show but in most places that was what police officers were like- peace officers. I feel that this was an over reaction on the police's part and gives us much insight into the way they are being trained today. Escalate the situation and then ask questions.
 
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Bloody Holly said:
yeah because you tube videos are never edited. He was being a complete useless moron.
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There are over 8 YouTube videos from different angles. None appear to be edited as they are all internally consistent and were uploaded shortly after the incident. If the videos have been edited I think the burden is on you to prove it. The videos establish the Facts of the case. The law is to be applied to the Facts of the case.

I have researched the applicable Florida law and applied it to these facts in answering the question "Should the UF police who attacked Andrew Meyer on Constitution Day be tried and convicted for Attempted Murder?" I also analyze possible defenses for the police (Trespass, Breach of the Peace, Inciting a Riot [the officially cited reason which is probably their only real defense])

Read the case from a prosecutor's role and apply the law as the jury. You can vote on my blog. Remember, you are to rationally, intelligently and logically apply the law as it is to the facts as they are. This means you are not to bring in outside or personal bias.

As far as him being a complete useless moron; what difference does it make? Irrelevant.
 
Bloody Holly said:
Okay I don't agree with the way cops handle such situations. It's happening alot lately with the tazing and mulitples of cops restraining but at the same time, using common sense at events like this should be a priority. People who go in like scattered brained barbarians....well it never turns out well. Take this as a learning lesson.

Cops are trained this way. I'm not sure if hiring only dumb cops is prevelant in certain states (I'm sure it is) but this is the result.

Both sides were wrong. If the student wouldn't have acted out and took his seat when asked, this wouldn't be a news story. When it comes to stories like this, I would like to see the unbiased and uncut version which I don't think that I have. I've seen the poor innocent student version only. Not the uncut one. Have any links?
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Both sides are not wrong. Only the police are wrong. I've seen townhall meetings with lots of angry citizens yelling at their board and they are not tazed or escorted out (although that is starting to change as well). There is no law that says you can't ask questions in an excited manner. And that's really all there is to it. He broke NO LAW.

If you persist in your argument please show us what law the student broke. If you can't you have no argument.
 
jonahtrainer said:
There are over 8 YouTube videos from different angles. None appear to be edited as they are all internally consistent and were uploaded shortly after the incident. If the videos have been edited I think the burden is on you to prove it. The videos establish the Facts of the case. The law is to be applied to the Facts of the case.

I have researched the applicable Florida law and applied it to these facts in answering the question "Should the UF police who attacked Andrew Meyer on Constitution Day be tried and convicted for Attempted Murder?" I also analyze possible defenses for the police (Trespass, Breach of the Peace, Inciting a Riot [the officially cited reason which is probably their only real defense])

Read the case from a prosecutor's role and apply the law as the jury. You can vote on my blog. Remember, you are to rationally, intelligently and logically apply the law as it is to the facts as they are. This means you are not to bring in outside or personal bias.

As far as him being a complete useless moron; what difference does it make? Irrelevant.
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uh right. Someone just posted a video in this thread. Edited or not edited?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOlmNBxke-E
 
Bloody Holly said:
Okay I don't agree with the way cops handle such situations. It's happening alot lately with the tazing and mulitples of cops restraining but at the same time, using common sense at events like this should be a priority. People who go in like scattered brained barbarians....well it never turns out well. Take this as a learning lesson.

Cops are trained this way. I'm not sure if hiring only dumb cops is prevelant in certain states (I'm sure it is) but this is the result.

Both sides were wrong. If the student wouldn't have acted out and took his seat when asked, this wouldn't be a news story. When it comes to stories like this, I would like to see the unbiased and uncut version which I don't think that I have. I've seen the poor innocent student version only. Not the uncut one. Have any links?
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This is the argument that "if only you had listened, I wouldn't have to beat you."

The problem is if you should listen to illegal orders in the first place.
 
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