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Donald Trump, Dictator

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Donald Trump, Dictator

It is supremely ironic. To respond to the dictatorial mindset and policies of Venezuelan ruler Nicolas Maduro, President Trump has adopted his own dictatorial mindset and policies. Trump obviously believes that the way to fight foreign dictatorship is by adopting dictatorship here at home.

Consider Trump’s actions with respect to Citgo, the Houston-based refining firm that is owned by the Venezuelan government. It is the eighth-largest US refiner and Venezuela’s top foreign asset.

To help effect a regime-change operation in Venezuela, Trump simply issued an order that prohibits Citgo from sending any money to the Venezuela government. He’s also ordering that Citgo’s revenues be transferred to Juan Guaidó, the head of the Venezuelan congress, who is claiming that he’s the rightful president of Venezuela, notwithstanding the undisputed fact that no one has ever elected him president.

We Americans have become so accustomed to the imposition of sanctions on people in foreign countries by US presidents that it’s easy to be blasé about Trump’s actions. But actually his behavior is astounding, especially in that it reflects perfectly the same dictatorial mindset and policies that characterize Maduro.

First of all, Venezuela and the United States are not at war. Oh, sure, there is there standard Cold War or empire-like verbiage that refers to rivals, adversaries, hegemons, communism, socialism, Russia, China, and Cuba, but indulging in empire-speak or Cold War bugaboos does not rise to the level of war. In an extraordinary action taken during peacetime, Trump has seized and confiscated the assets of a foreign regime and is transferring them to someone else.

Second, Trump didn’t go to Congress to secure permission to seize and transfer Citgo’s revenue. That’s ordinarily what rulers in a representative democracy are expected to do. Recall what they taught us in our high-school civics classes: Congress enacts the laws and the president enforces the laws. Here, there was no law enacted by Congress authorizing Trump to seize and transfer Citgo’s revenue. He just unilaterally issued an order authorizing US officials to take control over Venezuela’s money.

That’s precisely how dictators behave. They don’t need no stinking legislature. They don’t have time to jack with elected representatives. They know what’s best for the country. They have to do what is necessary. Fast.

One of the purest manifestations of this phenomenon took place when military Gen. Augusto Pinochet took the reins of power in Chile after the US-supported regime-change operation in that country. Pinochet’s regime was a classic military dictatorship. He didn’t bother with seeking permission from the Chilean congress to round up some 50,000 people and torture, rape, or kill them. He just issued orders to his national-security state goons to do those dirty deeds. His orders were called “decree laws.” That’s because his decrees had the force of law. That is what dictatorship is all about — the power of the ruler, whether democratically elected or not, to issue decree laws to seize people’s property or to arrest, incarcerate, torture, rape, or kill them.

That is precisely what Trump’s order seizing Citgo’s revenue is — a decree law. Trump issues the decree and it instantly becomes the law. Everyone is expected to comply with it. That is classic dictatorship.

Just think: An American president adopting dictatorial mindsets and policies to oppose the dictatorial mindsets and policies of a foreign dictator. Trump obviously believes that his decree laws are making America great again. Ironically, that’s what Maduro also believes about his decree laws.


http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2019/february/05/donald-trump-dictator/
 
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It's not "unilateral" or "decreed law". Congress passed laws authorizing the executive branch to impose sanctions. The author deliberately misrepresents this info for his intended audience, because he just wants to be an edgy opposition anarchist.
 
It's not "unilateral" or "decreed law". Congress passed laws authorizing the executive branch to impose sanctions. The author deliberately misrepresents this info for his intended audience, because he just wants to be an edgy opposition anarchist.


At the stage we’re at now perhaps anarchy is the rightful remedy ;-)
 
It's not "unilateral" or "decreed law". Congress passed laws authorizing the executive branch to impose sanctions. The author deliberately misrepresents this info for his intended audience, because he just wants to be an edgy opposition anarchist.

Hornberger says the exact opposite of what you're claiming. Do you have a source.
 
Hornberger says the exact opposite of what you're claiming. Do you have a source.

Passed by congress: Venezuela Defense of Human Rights and Civil Society Act of 2014.

The act specifically authorized the president to impose sanctions.

I'm at work, please obtain any further knowledge for yourself on this topic to your own satisfaction.

And I got a neg rep from a different forum member for countering disinfo and stating a fact. wow
 
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Passed by congress: Venezuela Defense of Human Rights and Civil Society Act of 2014.

The act specifically authorized the president to impose sanctions.

I'm at work, please obtain any further knowledge for yourself on this topic to your own satisfaction.

And I got a neg rep from a different forum member for countering disinfo and stating a fact. wow

Seizing Citgo's revenue & deferring them elsewhere is NOT sanctions- it is theft.

And +rep- we don't need to agree on this for me to support you.
 
Passed by congress: Venezuela Defense of Human Rights and Civil Society Act of 2014.

The act specifically authorized the president to impose sanctions.

I'm at work, please obtain any further knowledge for yourself on this topic to your own satisfaction.

And I got a neg rep from a different forum member for countering disinfo and stating a fact. wow

I just read that bill. I can see how Trump could interpret it to authorize him to block the transfer of money from Citgo to the Maduro regime. But I can't see how it authorizes him to order them what they positively must do with that money, including the order for them to transfer it to Guaidó.
 
I just read that bill. I can see how Trump could interpret it to authorize him to block the transfer of money from Citgo to the Maduro regime. But I can't see how it authorizes him to order them what they positively must do with that money, including the order for them to transfer it to Guaidó.
Agreed , and this; ''The act specifically authorized the president to impose sanctions.''
Doesn't sound like powers' to make them (Citgo) send money to 'someone else' .
 
Seizing Citgo's revenue & deferring them elsewhere is NOT sanctions- it is theft.

And +rep- we don't need to agree on this for me to support you.

Wow, way to argue a point that isn't even being debated..
 
Agreed , and this; ''The act specifically authorized the president to impose sanctions.''
Doesn't sound like powers' to make them (Citgo) send money to 'someone else' .

If we recognize a new president, we didn't send it to 'someone else.' We gave the new president his country's checkbook.
 
It seems Trump is backtracking majority of all the Mega Promises even the wall. Seems Ann Coulter is right.
 
Reading is your friend. :seenoevil:

Ya, it's my friend, but clearly not yours.

They are arguing whether congress allowed the President to pass the sanctions or whether he did it without their approval... not whether sanctions are a correct action or not.
 
Ya, it's my friend, but clearly not yours.

They are arguing whether congress allowed the President to pass the sanctions or whether he did it without their approval... not whether sanctions are a correct action or not.

Also, whether or not the sanctions Congress authorized include forcing Citgo to give money to Maduro.

I think Hornberger is correct when he says Congress did not authorize that.
 
This is the kind of whataboutism that makes me post in these Venezuela threads. Donald Trump is nothing like Maduro. Neither was Obama. Neither was any other US president. Jacob Hornberger is a buffoon and a continual to embarrassment to actual libertarians. He is the worst. And of course he is a Salvador Allende apologist and had to get his usual anti-Pinochet rant in.

As far as Trump's actions, all he is doing is making sure Maduro doesn't steal the rightful president's assets. This isn't some crazy foreign intervention. This is what Trump should be doing. This is what a libertarian should support.

And it is worth noting, the Venezuelan government stole billions from US companies. Chavez literally stole US businesses. A US judge already has awarded that the US government seize billions in Citgo's assets and confiscating all the CITGO refineries in the US is apparently on the table to satisfy their debt.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/20/business/energy-environment/conocophillips-venezuela-oil.html

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2018/08/30/why-venezuelas-citgo-is-in-danger-of-being-seized.html
https://www.cnbc.com/video/2018/08/...-us-are-at-risk-of-being-seized-and-sold.html
 
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As far as Trump's actions, all he is doing is making sure Maduro doesn't steal the rightful president's assets. This isn't some crazy foreign intervention. This is what Trump should be doing. This is what a libertarian should support.

No, that is definitely not what the US president should be doing. Yes, it is a crazy foreign intervention. Deciding who the "rightful president" of some foreign country is (as if there any earthly regime's reign could ever be "rightful") and making sure that somebody gives them "their" assets (when, of course, these would not be their assets even if they were whatever it is you mean when you say "the rightful president"), is the very essence of foreign interventionism. No, it is not something a libertarian should support.

At any rate, whether you support interventionist foreign policy or not, that doesn't mean that Trump can do this without Congress authorizing it.
 
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Donald Trump, Dictator

It is supremely ironic. To respond to the dictatorial mindset and policies of Venezuelan ruler Nicolas Maduro, President Trump has adopted his own dictatorial mindset and policies. Trump obviously believes that the way to fight foreign dictatorship is by adopting dictatorship here at home.

Consider Trump’s actions with respect to Citgo, the Houston-based refining firm that is owned by the Venezuelan government. It is the eighth-largest US refiner and Venezuela’s top foreign asset.

To help effect a regime-change operation in Venezuela, Trump simply issued an order that prohibits Citgo from sending any money to the Venezuela government. He’s also ordering that Citgo’s revenues be transferred to Juan Guaidó, the head of the Venezuelan congress, who is claiming that he’s the rightful president of Venezuela, notwithstanding the undisputed fact that no one has ever elected him president.

We Americans have become so accustomed to the imposition of sanctions on people in foreign countries by US presidents that it’s easy to be blasé about Trump’s actions. But actually his behavior is astounding, especially in that it reflects perfectly the same dictatorial mindset and policies that characterize Maduro.

First of all, Venezuela and the United States are not at war. Oh, sure, there is there standard Cold War or empire-like verbiage that refers to rivals, adversaries, hegemons, communism, socialism, Russia, China, and Cuba, but indulging in empire-speak or Cold War bugaboos does not rise to the level of war. In an extraordinary action taken during peacetime, Trump has seized and confiscated the assets of a foreign regime and is transferring them to someone else.

Second, Trump didn’t go to Congress to secure permission to seize and transfer Citgo’s revenue. That’s ordinarily what rulers in a representative democracy are expected to do. Recall what they taught us in our high-school civics classes: Congress enacts the laws and the president enforces the laws. Here, there was no law enacted by Congress authorizing Trump to seize and transfer Citgo’s revenue. He just unilaterally issued an order authorizing US officials to take control over Venezuela’s money.

That’s precisely how dictators behave. They don’t need no stinking legislature. They don’t have time to jack with elected representatives. They know what’s best for the country. They have to do what is necessary. Fast.

One of the purest manifestations of this phenomenon took place when military Gen. Augusto Pinochet took the reins of power in Chile after the US-supported regime-change operation in that country. Pinochet’s regime was a classic military dictatorship. He didn’t bother with seeking permission from the Chilean congress to round up some 50,000 people and torture, rape, or kill them. He just issued orders to his national-security state goons to do those dirty deeds. His orders were called “decree laws.” That’s because his decrees had the force of law. That is what dictatorship is all about — the power of the ruler, whether democratically elected or not, to issue decree laws to seize people’s property or to arrest, incarcerate, torture, rape, or kill them.

That is precisely what Trump’s order seizing Citgo’s revenue is — a decree law. Trump issues the decree and it instantly becomes the law. Everyone is expected to comply with it. That is classic dictatorship.

Just think: An American president adopting dictatorial mindsets and policies to oppose the dictatorial mindsets and policies of a foreign dictator. Trump obviously believes that his decree laws are making America great again. Ironically, that’s what Maduro also believes about his decree laws.


http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2019/february/05/donald-trump-dictator/

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