DOJ says Fed Law does not bar Business from VAX Mandates

[Pauls' Revere]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/d...vid-vaccines/ar-AAMAbfl?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=W022

Justice Department lawyers say that federal law doesn’t stop private businesses or public agencies from mandating Covid vaccines, an opinion released on Monday just hours after the Department of Veterans Affairs became the first federal agency to mandate inoculations for some of its employees.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I'm sure there are plenty of libertarians that say the same thing.

 

[oyarde]

DOJ only observes the law they like . Keep that in mind when dealing with govt . Denying employment to non vaccinated is medical discrimination. A clear violation of most state law. Fed govt wants everyone to be vaccinated therefore that is the only law they will support.

 

[oyarde]

I'm sure there are plenty of libertarians that say the same thing.

Personally I dont think there are many Libertarians left.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

I'm sure there are plenty of libertarians that say the same thing.

Of course. The groundwork was laid long ago...

Libertarian Think Tank Comes Out in Support of Vaccine Passports From ‘Private Sector’
Forced vaccinations (in an anarcho capitalist society) by Walter Block

 

[Anti Federalist]

Of course. The groundwork was laid long ago...

Libertarian Think Tank Comes Out in Support of Vaccine Passports From ‘Private Sector’
Forced vaccinations (in an anarcho capitalist society) by Walter Block

I told those guys in the other thread I always though Block was a crank.

 

[CaptUSA]

I'm sure there are plenty of libertarians that say the same thing.

I'm probably one of them. I think private businesses should be able to require their employees to wear short skirts if they want to. I think they should be able to require them to crawl on all fours as they enter the workplace. It's their money after all. If they want to buy some labor, they should be able to dictate the terms of the labor they want to purchase. And suffer the consequences of stupid rules. To me, exchanging money for someone's labor is no different than exchanging money for the fruits of someone's labor. And before I purchase any product, I make sure it suits my wants and needs. If it doesn't, I don't buy it. We don't need government coming in telling me I have to buy it, even though I may not want it.

But.....

If there's a contractual arrangement for employment, employers can't change the contract midstream. Employees need to know what they're agreeing to before they accept the job. Any changes in that contract need to be negotiated. If there's a disagreement, the employer is still responsible for fulfilling the remainder of the existing contract.

As for government employees... Yeah, let's hope this leads to a mass exodus.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

I'm probably one of them. I think private businesses should be able to require their employees to wear short skirts if they want to. I think they should be able to require them to crawl on all fours as they enter the workplace. It's their money after all. If they want to buy some labor, they should be able to dictate the terms of the labor they want to purchase. And suffer the consequences of stupid rules...

Weinstein and friends liked to think that the power of the employer included requiring sexual favors. Are medical procedures and drug requirements fine? “All workers must be circumcised, even females.” “All employees must take Prozac, it’s easier to deal with them.”

 

[jkr]

strike
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[Krugminator2]

I'm sure there are plenty of libertarians that say the same thing.

I would say all libertarians would be fine with allowing private businesses to make vaccination compulsory for employment. A person who doesn't believe that is by definition not libertarian.

This isn't a particularly

 

[enhanced_deficit]

I'm sure there are plenty of libertarians that say the same thing.

Not just Libertarians, there apeears to be almost full trifecta of support:

Slow speed progressive sleepy Joe Biden wing
Biden DOJ says Fed Law does not bar Business from VAX Mandates

America-First warp-speed progressive Trump Wing:
Trump administration: Employers can require workers to get COVID-19 vaccine

Plenty of Libertarians:
Forced vaccinations (in an anarcho capitalist society) by Walter Block


h/t other esteemed forum members.

 

[sdsubball23]

Does anyone know if there is any legal way out of refusing the vaccine and not facing repercussions?

 

[oyarde]

Does anyone know if there is any legal way out of refusing the vaccine and not facing repercussions?

It is a violation of religion would work depending on what state you live in .

 

[Brian4Liberty]

I would say all libertarians would be fine with allowing private businesses to make vaccination compulsory for employment. A person who doesn't believe that is by definition not libertarian.

This isn't a particularly

You mean an inflexible, dogmatic libertarian who is crippled by the nuances of the world around them. Tyranny imposed via a consolidated, coordinated, centralized private/public partnership is no less tyranny.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I would say all libertarians would be fine with allowing private businesses to make vaccination compulsory for employment. A person who doesn't believe that is by definition not libertarian.

Well, glad I'm not one then.

We are witnessing all round us, the tyranny that is possible under the unholy alliance of the state and global hyper mega corps.

An employer has a right to demand a certain level of performance and adherence to the rules and standards for which you are hired to perform, while on company time.

Once you are "off" those controls are gone.

The "company store" model was ditched a long time ago, for good reason, it's nothing more than one step above chattel slavery.

 

[CaptUSA]

Dammit. People need to understand their power! Your company doesn’t own you or your labor. You sell them your labor. If you don’t like the terms of the agreement, stop selling to them! If more people did this, businesses wouldn’t pull this stupid crap. They wouldn’t be able to.

It’s a free mutual exchange. You are the seller. If your buyer is placing crazy demands on you, end the arrangement. Screw ‘em. They don’t own you! Know your value and don’t be cajoled into accepting less than you deserve.

 

[belian78]

Dammit. People need to understand their power! Your company doesn’t own you or your labor. You sell them your labor. If you don’t like the terms of the agreement, stop selling to them! If more people did this, businesses wouldn’t pull this stupid crap. They wouldn’t be able to.

It’s a free mutual exchange. You are the seller. If your buyer is placing crazy demands on you, end the arrangement. Screw ‘em. They don’t own you! Know your value and don’t be cajoled into accepting less than you deserve.

This mentality should extend all they way up to The State. 'We the People' never needed a 'State' to take care of things for us, we need to walk away from anyone claiming authority over the masses. But yes you are correct, if people just said 'no', but they don't. "Oh I have bills, I have responsibilities" No, you have shackles that the system makes you believe is necessary.

 

[CaptUSA]

Weinstein and friends liked to think that the power of the employer included requiring sexual favors. Are medical procedures and drug requirements fine? “All workers must be circumcised, even females.” “All employees must take Prozac, it’s easier to deal with them.”

You are acting as if people couldn't walk away. Here's what you say, "yeah, sorry. I don't want to do any of that stuff - I'll sell my services elsewhere, thanks."


I understand the corporate/State relationship and yes, that's a problem. The state wants to control of people and business and corporations want the cover of the state so they don't have to worry about competition from other businesses who aren't doing these kinds of mandates. That's the problem.

It's not inflexible dogmatic libertarianism, it's just a belief in personal ownership and responsibility. If I'm a business owner, I should be able to select employees that meet my criteria. If I'm an employee, I should be able to select an employer that meets my criteria. That's a free exchange. Businesses that want to mandate vaccinations will have employees that have no problem with it and businesses that don't will have employees that are fine with that. This wouldn't even be an issue if not for the imposition of the State.

 

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

The problem with the libertarian perspective of let every business make it own decision or the philosophy of trading labor for money is that it only works one way. Any business owner can become destitute in the flash of a second by any trivial lawsuit. Only big corporations have the wherewithal to sustain the greased palms of societal bureaucrats. Where was liberty for all the businesses ordered shut down during the Spamdemic? Business owners are forced to comply with all sorts of regulations. Free speech is only allowed when it is sanctioned. Businesses are only allowed to make decisions when it fits the agenda or narrative. Youtube can make their own rules and silence Alex Jones or Donald Trump. They can promote BLM and a narrative about the dangers of white supremacy but stifle any legitimate debate because after all they are a private company. That is of course until some libtard decides what they are doing needs more regulations and then they haul them in and mandate propaganda.

 

[nobody's_hero]

Anyone know where a registered nurse can "sell their services" at a place that hasn't bought the vaccination hook-line-sinker?

I've been out of the healthcare system since last November. I told them to take the job and shove it. Yeah. Stuck it to the man! Rebel I am.

Only problem is, there were 10 more fresh-grads waiting to replace me. So, on the macro, I don't think it works. No one is irreplaceable.

It's great for self-satisfaction, but it doesn't really change anything.

IMO there's not much difference between what "private" industry is doing these days than what the Hessian mercenaries were doing in the 1700s. If the end goal is the same, what difference does it make if it is a private company or the state itself that infringes on the rights of people? What are we trying to preserve at that point?