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"Derek Chauvin used unauthorized neck restraint on George Floyd, training officer testifies"

As national focus turns inwards (following decades of foreign policy projects to spread our freedoms abroad and defend our way of life), old race & policing related issues are bubbling up to surface again. This could also bring back into limelight sending of US Police for training to perpetual insecurity and confused racial doctrines based mideast countries.
Source is a controversial fakenews outlet but this report appears to be non-fakenews:


Derek Chauvin used unauthorized neck restraint on George Floyd, training officer testifies

Use-of-force coordinator: Knee on neck after Floyd was under control and handcuffed ‘unauthorized’

Minneapolis Police Department use-of-force training coordinator Johnny Mercil said the restraint used by officer Derek Chauvin on George Floyd was unnecessary. (The Washington Post)
By Holly Bailey
April 6, 2021

MINNEAPOLIS — An officer who trained Derek Chauvin on techniques he could use to subdue suspects testified Tuesday that the neck restraint he used on George Floyd was not authorized because Floyd was already handcuffed and under control.

Lt. Johnny Mercil, who oversees the Minneapolis department’s training on use of force and other defensive tactics, said that at the time of Floyd’s death on May 25, officers were permitted to restrain suspects by applying pressure to the side of a person’s neck to gain compliance, but only if they were actively resisting and if other techniques had not worked.


Prosecutor Steve Schleicher showed Mercil a still taken from bystander video of Chauvin kneeling on Floyd’s neck and asked if Chauvin was performing “a MPD-trained neck restraint.”

“No, sir,” Mercil replied. He said that “knee-on-the-neck is something that might happen” as officers try to gain control of suspects but said the act should stop when a person is no longer actively resisting. He said a neck restraint was considered “active aggression” under MPD use-of-force policy and that officers had been specifically warned to be careful of the neck because of the danger of rendering someone unconscious.

washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/04/06/derek-chauvin-trial/



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He held Floyd down too long. He is guilty of manslaughter, not murder. Being held that long contributed to but didn't cause the death.

Sometimes a knee to the neck can be warranted, like they had to deal with Floyd flipping out on drugs and needed to get him cuffed. They should have had him cuffed in less than a minute and got off his neck. 8 minutes was excessive force.
 
He held Floyd down too long. He is guilty of manslaughter, not murder. Being held that long contributed to but didn't cause the death.

Sometimes a knee to the neck can be warranted, like they had to deal with Floyd flipping out on drugs and needed to get him cuffed. They should have had him cuffed in less than a minute and got off his neck. 8 minutes was excessive force.

You are wrong. You need to listen to or read about the cross examination. First of all, he was legally justified in using MORE force than he actually did, he used the minimal amount of force. Second, the same witness from the OP contradicted himself during cross examination and said that he himself had done the same thing and restrained an individual in the same way until EMS arrived.

Third, we also learned yesterday that his knee wasn't on his neck. They showed photos from a different angle, and it was on his shoulder blade/back. Even the prosecutor is now referring to the knee on the "neck, or back".

Chauvin is 5'9, 140 lbs. Floyd is 6'6 240 lbs. Even if the person you are holding down stops struggling, they are still able to continue to hold you down in those circumstances - especially where you have someone who has already physically resisted arrest, kicked police officers and is extremely physically large and strong - and you have a crowd of people chanting violent threats against the officers and have other officers holding them back.

You really need to ponder why you continue to read such garbage news sources.

https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/...7-wrap-up-a-horrible-day-for-the-prosecution/
 
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Can this guy really get a fair trial with everybody knowing that BLM is threatening to burn the country down if they don't get the out come they want? You and I did not cause the death of GF why should we have to worry about what BLM is going to do?
 
Isn't it a conflict-of-interest to ask the training coordinator from MPD to testify in respect to what was authorized in this situation? If Chauvin is found guilty, lawsuits against MPD have almost no chance of succeeding since they can just cite the case as "criminal misconduct" by one of their officers, for which they are not liable. On the other hand, if Chauvin is acquitted, MPD will almost certainly be sued and the chances that the lawsuit(s) succeed is greater unless they can separately "prove" that Chauvin was civilly liable, even if he was not found criminally liable.

And note that I'm not raising any kind of "red flag" about this relatively minor issue because the entire case is a gigantic red flag. No, cops should not be liberally applying all these extremely dangerous coercive combatives on people but the root cause of that is that police are not being held individually accountable along the entire spectrum of force (and injuries caused by that). Until somebody dies, literally nothing happens. And then once somebody dies, it becomes a "national tragedy" aka "national circus." So of course police are reckless. If the guy on the next shift has to sweep up the flour I spill, I'm going to chuck those flour bags as fast as possible, broken bags be damned. I don't have to be "literally Hitler" to not care about the flour-bags (or body-bags, as the case may be), it's just human nature to cut corners that are not actually enforced...
 
Yeah. I just saw the videos where it showed that his knee was on his shoulder. Any fricking news media could have shown this in May and saved the burning of cities.

Also, the POC with his knee on Floyd's back would have caused more distress.

I am sick of this manipulation!

You are wrong. You need to listen to or read about the cross examination. First of all, he was legally justified in using MORE force than he actually did, he used the minimal amount of force. Second, the same witness from the OP contradicted himself during cross examination and said that he himself had done the same thing and restrained an individual in the same way until EMS arrived.

Third, we also learned yesterday that his knee wasn't on his neck. They showed photos from a different angle, and it was on his shoulder blade/back. Even the prosecutor is now referring to the knee on the "neck, or back".

Chauvin is 5'9, 140 lbs. Floyd is 6'6 240 lbs. Even if the person you are holding down stops struggling, they are still able to continue to hold you down in those circumstances - especially where you have someone who has already physically resisted arrest, kicked police officers and is extremely physically large and strong - and you have a crowd of people chanting violent threats against the officers and have other officers holding them back.

You really need to ponder why you continue to read such garbage news sources.

https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/...7-wrap-up-a-horrible-day-for-the-prosecution/
 
You are wrong. You need to listen to or read about the cross examination. First of all, he was legally justified in using MORE force than he actually did, he used the minimal amount of force. Second, the same witness from the OP contradicted himself during cross examination and said that he himself had done the same thing and restrained an individual in the same way until EMS arrived.

Third, we also learned yesterday that his knee wasn't on his neck. They showed photos from a different angle, and it was on his shoulder blade/back. Even the prosecutor is now referring to the knee on the "neck, or back".

Chauvin is 5'9, 140 lbs. Floyd is 6'6 240 lbs. Even if the person you are holding down stops struggling, they are still able to continue to hold you down in those circumstances - especially where you have someone who has already physically resisted arrest, kicked police officers and is extremely physically large and strong - and you have a crowd of people chanting violent threats against the officers and have other officers holding them back.

You really need to ponder why you continue to read such garbage news sources.

https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/...7-wrap-up-a-horrible-day-for-the-prosecution/

No matter where the knee was, 8 minutes is too long. I'm ok with the use of force, but not that long.

Sometimes cops have to be brutal to do their job and I'm ok with that. But Floyd was held down too long.
 
You are wrong. You need to listen to or read about the cross examination. First of all, he was legally justified in using MORE force than he actually did, he used the minimal amount of force. Second, the same witness from the OP contradicted himself during cross examination and said that he himself had done the same thing and restrained an individual in the same way until EMS arrived.
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Legally justified? Following policy and procedures? Yeah, I’ll use other criteria to decide what is right, justified or moral.

It’s quite a dilemma for the prosecution. Every police official witness (or Union leader) will eventually argue that the officer would be justified in walking up to the car and shooting him in the head before a word was said.
 
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What a fucking liar. I apologize in advance if this post turns out to be too long, but I just have to share this. Some people, masquerading as saviors under the moniker Anonymous, took down the Minneapolis city government website and the police department website immediately after the incident. I don't know if this is still there. Probably not, considering they are NOW saying that they did not authorize that type of restraint.

Here is Section 5-300 - Use Of Force
Subsections 5-301 to 5-311

Pay very close attention to 5-311.

5-300 Use of Force
5-301 PURPOSE (10/16/02) (08/17/07) (07/28/16)
A. Sanctity of life and the protection of the public shall be the cornerstones of the MPD’s use of force policy.

B. The purpose of this chapter is to provide all sworn MPD employees with clear and consistent policies and procedures regarding the use of force while engaged in the discharge of their official duties. (Note: MPD Training Unit Lesson Plans – Use of Force, are used as a reference throughout this chapter.)

5-301.01 POLICY (10/16/02) (08/17/07)
Based on the Fourth Amendment’s “reasonableness” standard, sworn MPD employees shall only use the amount of force that is objectively reasonable in light of the facts and circumstances known to that employee at the time force is used. The force used shall be consistent with current MPD training.
5-301.02 STATE REQUIREMENTS (10/11/02)
The MPD shall comply with Minn. Stat. §626.8452 to establish and enforce a written policy governing the use of force, including deadly force and state-mandated pre-service and in-service training in the use of force for all sworn MPD employees.(08/17/07)

5-302 USE OF FORCE DEFINITIONS (10/16/02) (10/01/10)
Active Aggression: Behavior initiated by a subject that may or may not be in response to police efforts to bring the person into custody or control. A subject engages in active aggression when presenting behaviors that constitute an assault or the circumstances reasonably indicate that an assault or injury to any person is likely to occur at any moment. (10/01/10) (04/16/12)
Active Resistance: A response to police efforts to bring a person into custody or control for detainment or arrest. A subject engages in active resistance when engaging in physical actions (or verbal behavior reflecting an intention) to make it more difficult for officers to achieve actual physical control. (10/01/10) (04/16/12)
Deadly Force: Minn. Stat. §609.066 states that: “Force which the actor uses with the purpose of causing, or which the actor should reasonably know creates a substantial risk of causing death or great bodily harm. The intentional discharge of a firearm other than a firearm loaded with less-lethal munitions and used by a peace officer within the scope of official duties, in the direction of another person, or at a vehicle in which another person is believed to be, constitutes deadly force.” (10/01/10)
Flight: Is an effort by the subject to avoid arrest or capture by fleeing without the aid of a motor vehicle. (10/01/10)
Great Bodily Harm: Bodily injury which creates a high probability of death, or which causes serious permanent disfigurement, or which causes a permanent or protracted loss or impairment of the function of any bodily member or organ, or other serious bodily harm.
Non-Deadly Force: Force that does not have the reasonable likelihood of causing or creating a substantial risk of death or great bodily harm. This includes, but is not limited to, physically subduing, controlling, capturing, restraining or physically managing any person. It also includes the actual use of any less-lethal and non-lethal weapons. (08/17/07)
Objectively Reasonable Force: The amount and type of force that would be considered rational and logical to an “objective” officer on the scene, supported by facts and circumstances known to an officer at the time force was used. (08/17/07)
Passive Resistance: A response to police efforts to bring a person into custody or control for detainment or arrest. This is behavior initiated by a subject, when the subject does not comply with verbal or physical control efforts, yet the subject does not attempt to defeat an officer’s control efforts. (10/01/10) (04/16/12)
Use of Force: Any intentional police contact involving: (08/17/07) (10/01/10)
The use of any weapon, substance, vehicle, equipment, tool, device or animal that inflicts pain or produces injury to another; or
Any physical strike to any part of the body of another;
Any physical contact with a person that inflicts pain or produces injury to another; or
Any restraint of the physical movement of another that is applied in a manner or under circumstances likely to produce injury.

5-303 AUTHORIZED USE OF FORCE (10/16/02) (08/17/07)
Minn. Stat. §609.06 subd. 1 states, “When authorized…except as otherwise provided in subdivision 2, reasonable force may be used upon or toward the person of another without the other’s consent when the following circumstances exist or the actor reasonably believes them to exist:
When used by a public officer or one assisting a public officer under the public officer’s direction:
In effecting a lawful arrest; or
In the execution of legal process; or
In enforcing an order of the court; or
In executing any other duty imposed upon the public officer by law.”
In addition to Minn. Stat. §609.06 sub. 1, MPD policies shall utilize the United States Supreme Court decision in Graham vs Connor as a guideline for reasonable force.
The Graham vs Connor case references that:
“Because the test of reasonableness under the Fourth Amendment is not capable of precise definition or mechanical application, its proper application requires careful attention to the facts and circumstances of each particular case, including:
The severity of the crime at issue,
Whether the suspect poses an immediate threat to the safety of the officers or others, and;
Whether he is actively resisting arrest or attempting to evade arrest by flight.
The "reasonableness" of a particular use of force must be judged from the perspective of the reasonable officer on the scene, rather than with the 20/20 vision of hindsight.
The calculus of reasonableness must embody allowance for the fact that police officers are often forced to make split-second judgments - in circumstances that are tense, uncertain, and rapidly evolving - about the amount of force that is necessary in a particular situation.”
Authorized use of force requires careful attention to the facts and circumstances of each case. Sworn MPD employees shall write a detailed, comprehensive report for each instance in which force was used.

5-303.01 DUTY TO INTERVENE (07/28/16)
(A-D)
A. Sworn employees have an obligation to protect the public and other employees.

B. It shall be the duty of every sworn employee present at any scene where physical force is being applied to either stop or attempt to stop another sworn employee when force is being inappropriately applied or is no longer required.


5-304 THREATENING THE USE OF FORCE AND DE-ESCALATION (10/16/02) (06/01/12) (07/28/16)
(A-D)
A. Threatening the Use of Force

As an alternative and/or the precursor to the actual use of force, MPD officers shall consider verbally announcing their intent to use force, including displaying an authorized weapon as a threat of force, when reasonable under the circumstances. The threatened use of force shall only occur in situations that an officer reasonably believes may result in the authorized use of force. This policy shall not be construed to authorize unnecessarily harsh language. (08/17/07) (07/28/16)

B. De-escalation

Whenever reasonable according to MPD policies and training, officers shall use de-escalation tactics to gain voluntary compliance and seek to avoid or minimize use of physical force. (06/01/12) (07/28/16)

1. When safe and feasible, officers shall:

a. Attempt to slow down or stabilize the situation so that more time, options and resources are available.

i. Mitigating the immediacy of threat gives officers more time to call additional officers or specialty units and to use other resources.

ii. The number of officers on scene may make more force options available and may help reduce overall force used.

b. Consider whether a subject’s lack of compliance is a deliberate attempt to resist or an inability to comply based on factors including, but not limited to:

· Medical conditions
· Mental impairment
· Developmental disability
· Physical limitation
· Language barrier
· Influence of drug or alcohol use
· Behavioral crisis

Such consideration, when time and circumstances reasonably permit, shall then be balanced against incident facts when deciding which tactical options are the most appropriate to resolve the situation safely.

2. De-escalation tactics include, but are not limited to:

· Placing barriers between an uncooperative subject and an officer.
· Containing a threat.
· Moving from a position that exposes officers to potential threats to a safer position.
· Reducing exposure to a potential threat using distance, cover or concealment.
· Communication from a safe position intended to gain the subject’s compliance, using verbal persuasion, advisements or warnings.
· Avoidance of physical confrontation, unless immediately necessary (e.g. to protect someone or stop dangerous behavior).
· Using verbal techniques to calm an agitated subject and promote rational decision making.
· Calling additional resources to assist, including more officers, CIT officers and officers equipped with less-lethal tools.


5-305 AUTHORIZED USE OF DEADLY FORCE (08/17/07) (08/18/17)

A. Statutory Authorization

Minn. Stat. §609.066 sub. 2 – “The use of deadly force by a peace officer in the line of duty is justified only when necessary:

· To protect the peace officer or another from apparent death or great bodily harm;
· To effect the arrest or capture, or prevent the escape, of a person whom the peace officer knows or has reasonable grounds to believe has committed or attempted to commit a felony involving the use or threatened use of deadly force, or;
· To effect the arrest or capture, or prevent the escape, of a person who the officer knows or has reasonable grounds to believe has committed or attempted to commit a felony if the officer reasonably believes that the person will cause death or great bodily harm if the person’s apprehension is delayed.”

B. United States Supreme Court: Tennessee v. Garner

In addition to Minn. Stat. §609.066, MPD policies shall utilize the United States Supreme Court decision in Tennessee v. Garner as a guideline for the use of deadly force.

The Tennessee v. Garner case references that:

“Apprehension by the use of deadly force is a seizure subject to the Fourth Amendment’s reasonableness requirement.”

“The use of deadly force to prevent the escape of all felony suspects, whatever the circumstances, is constitutionally unreasonable.”

C. Sworn MPD employees shall recognize that:

· The use of a firearm, vehicle, less-lethal or non-lethal weapon, or other improvised weapon may constitute the use of deadly force.
· This policy does not prevent a sworn employee from drawing a firearm, or being prepared to use a firearm in threatening situations.

D. For the safety of the public, warning shots shall not be fired.

E. Moving/Fleeing Motor Vehicles

1. Officers are strongly discouraged from discharging firearms at or from a moving motor vehicle.

2. Officers should consider their positioning and avoid placing themselves in the path of a vehicle when possible. If officers find themselves positioned in the path of a vehicle they should, when possible, tactically consider moving out of the path of the vehicle instead of discharging a firearm at it or any of its occupants.

F. Officers’ Actions that Unnecessarily Place Themselves, Suspects, or the Public at Risk

1. Officers shall use reasonableness, sound tactics and available options during encounters to maximize the likelihood that they can safely resolve the situation.

2. A lack of reasonable or sound tactics can limit options available to officers, and unnecessarily place officers and the public at risk.

5-306 USE OF FORCE – REPORTING AND POST INCIDENT REQUIREMENTS (08/17/07)
Any sworn MPD employee who uses force shall comply with the following requirements:

Medical Assistance: As soon as reasonably practical, determine if anyone was injured and render medical aid consistent with training and request Emergency Medical Service (EMS) if necessary.

Supervisor Notification and CAPRS Reporting Requirements

No CAPRS Report Required

Unless an injury or alleged injury has occurred, the below listed force does not require a CAPRS report or supervisor notification.

· Escort Holds
· Joint Manipulations
· Nerve Pressure Points (Touch Pressure)
· Handcuffing
· Gun drawing or pointing

CAPRS Report Required – No Supervisor Notification required

The following listed force requires a CAPRS report, but does not require supervisor notification.

· Takedown Techniques
· Chemical Agent Exposures

CAPRS Report Required - Supervisor Notification Required

All other force, injuries or alleged injury incidents require both a CAPRS report and supervisor notification. The sworn employee shall remain on scene and immediately notify a supervisor by phone or radio of the force that was used.

Supervisors shall not conduct a force review on their own use of force. Any other supervisor of any rank shall conduct the force review. (04/16/12)

A CAPRS report entitled “FORCE” shall be completed as soon as practical, but no later than the end of that shift. A supplement describing the use of force incident in detail shall be completed and entered directly into the CAPRS reporting system (no handwritten force reports). Employees shall ensure that all applicable force portions of the CAPRS report are completed in full.

Sworn employees shall complete a CAPRS report entitled "PRIORI" for all incidents in which a person has a prior injury, or prior alleged injury, and there is actual physical contact or transportation by the police.

Transfer of Custody

Prior to transferring custody of a subject that force was used upon, sworn MPD employees shall verbally notify the receiving agency or employee of:

· The type of force used,
· Any injuries sustained (real or alleged) and
· Any medical aid / EMS rendered



5-307 SUPERVISOR FORCE REVIEW (08/17/07) (12/15/09)


On-duty Supervisor Responsibilities

The supervisor who is notified of a Use of Force incident by any sworn MPD employee shall:

1. Determine if the incident meets the criteria for a Critical Incident. If so, follow Critical Incident Policy (P/P 7-810). (09/23/15)

2. Instruct the involved employees to have the subject of the use of force remain on-scene until the supervisor arrives, if it is reasonable to do so.

· If the subject of the use of force does not remain on-scene, the supervisor shall go to the subject’s location, if necessary, to complete the investigation.

3. Respond to the incident scene and conduct a preliminary investigation of the Use of Force incident. (09/23/15)

a. Debrief the employee(s) who engaged in the use of force.

b. Note any reported injury (actual or alleged) to any individual involved.

c. Photograph: (09/23/15)

· the force subject, including any visible injuries
· the immediate area of the force event
· injuries to any other individual involved in the force event
· damage to equipment or uniforms caused by the force event

d. Note any medical aid/EMS rendered to any individual involved.

e. Locate and review any evidence related to the force incident (e.g. MVR, security video, private cameras, etc.). (12/15/09)

f. Ensure any on-scene evidence is preserved and collected.

g. Locate and identify witnesses to the use of force incident. (12/15/09)

h. Obtain statements from witnesses to the use of force incident.

i. Contact the Internal Affairs Unit Commander immediately by phone if the force used appears to be unreasonable or appears to constitute possible misconduct. (04/16/12)

4. Complete and submit the Supervisor Use of Force Review and Summary in CAPRS as soon as practical, but prior to the end of that shift.

a. Ensure that all actions taken in the preliminary investigation process and the information obtained from these actions are included in the Summary and that all other relevant information is entered in the appropriate sections of the report. (12/15/09)

b. If, based upon the totality of the information available at the time of the report, the supervisor feels that the use of force may have been unreasonable or not within policy, the supervisor will: (04/16/12)

· State in the supervisor force review that they believe the use of force requires further review; and
· Notify the commander of Internal Affairs of their findings that the force requires further review.

5. Review all sworn employees’ CAPRS reports and supplements related to the use of force incident for completeness and accuracy.

5-308 NOTIFICATION OF FIREARM DISCHARGES (10/16/02) (04/30/15)
A. Employee Responsibility

Any employee who discharges a firearm, whether on or off duty, shall make direct contact with their immediate supervisor or the on-duty Watch Commander and the local jurisdiction as soon as possible except: (08/17/07) (04/30/15) (04/05/16)

· While at an established target range;
· While conducting authorized ballistics tests;
· When engaged in legally recognized activities while off-duty.

B. Supervisor Responsibility

1. The supervisor shall respond to any scene in which an employee has discharged a firearm while on-duty or in the course of duty. (04/30/15) (04/05/16)

2. The supervisor is responsible for notifying the Watch Commander and when appropriate, the employee’s Deputy Chief and the on-duty Homicide investigator. This does not include the discharge of a firearm with the intention of dispatching an animal, unless it results in injury to a person. (04/30/15) (04/05/16)

3. Notifications to the Internal Affairs Unit shall be made in accordance with the Internal Affairs Call-Out Notification Policy (P/P 2-101). (04/05/16)

4. The advised supervisor shall ensure that drug and alcohol testing is conducted in accordance with the conditions and procedures in the MPD Drug & Alcohol Testing Policy (P/P Section 3-1000). (04/30/15)

5. At any officer-involved shooting incident in which a person is shot, the Critical Incident Policy (P/P Section 7-800) shall be followed. (04/30/15)

C. Reporting Firearms Discharges to the State (10/16/02) (04/30/15)

Minn. Stat. §626.553 requires the Chief of Police to report to the State Commissioner of Public Safety whenever a peace officer discharges a firearm in the course of duty, other than for training purposes or when killing an animal that is sick, injured or dangerous. Written notification of the incident must be filed within 30 days of the incident. The notification shall include information concerning the reason for and circumstances surrounding discharge of the firearm. The Internal Affairs Unit supervisor shall be responsible for filing the required form(s) with the State Bureau of Criminal Apprehension. (04/05/16)

5-309 WRITTEN REPORT ON DISCHARGE OF FIREARMS (10/16/02)
All employee firearm discharges that require notification, other than Critical Incidents, shall be reported in CAPRS, including a supplement, by the employee involved and the supervisor who was notified. The report shall be titled, “DISWEAP.” The supervisor shall then complete a Supervisor Force Review. (08/17/07)
If the involved employee is unable to make a CAPRS report, the supervisor shall initiate the CAPRS report.
The Watch Commander shall include all case numbers on the Watch Commander log.
5-310 USE OF UNAUTHORIZED WEAPONS (10/16/02) (08/17/07)
Sworn MPD employees shall only carry and use MPD approved weapons for which they are currently trained and authorized to use through the MPD Training Unit. If an exigent circumstance exists that poses an imminent threat to the safety of the employee or the public requiring the immediate use an improvised weapon of opportunity, the employee may use the weapon. (08/17/07)

5-311 USE OF NECK RESTRAINTS AND CHOKE HOLDS (10/16/02) (08/17/07) (10/01/10) (04/16/12)
DEFINITIONS I.
Choke Hold: Deadly force option. Defined as applying direct pressure on a person’s trachea or airway (front of the neck), blocking or obstructing the airway (04/16/12)
Neck Restraint: Non-deadly force option. Defined as compressing one or both sides of a person’s neck with an arm or leg, without applying direct pressure to the trachea or airway (front of the neck). Only sworn employees who have received training from the MPD Training Unit are authorized to use neck restraints. The MPD authorizes two types of neck restraints: Conscious Neck Restraint and Unconscious Neck Restraint. (04/16/12)
Conscious Neck Restraint: The subject is placed in a neck restraint with intent to control, and not to render the subject unconscious, by only applying light to moderate pressure. (04/16/12)
Unconscious Neck Restraint: The subject is placed in a neck restraint with the intention of rendering the person unconscious by applying adequate pressure. (04/16/12)
PROCEDURES/REGULATIONS II.
The Conscious Neck Restraint may be used against a subject who is actively resisting. (04/16/12)
The Unconscious Neck Restraint shall only be applied in the following circumstances: (04/16/12)
On a subject who is exhibiting active aggression, or;
For life saving purposes, or;
On a subject who is exhibiting active resistance in order to gain control of the subject; and if lesser attempts at control have been or would likely be ineffective.
Neck restraints shall not be used against subjects who are passively resisting as defined by policy. (04/16/12)
After Care Guidelines (04/16/12)
After a neck restraint or choke hold has been used on a subject, sworn MPD employees shall keep them under close observation until they are released to medical or other law enforcement personnel.
An officer who has used a neck restraint or choke hold shall inform individuals accepting custody of the subject, that the technique was used on the subject.


And now they are deliberately clearing all trace of Section 5-311 on neck restraints to enable mob justice and save their asses.
 
Can this guy really get a fair trial with everybody knowing that BLM is threatening to burn the country down if they don't get the out come they want? You and I did not cause the death of GF why should we have to worry about what BLM is going to do?

Probably not. The best this guy can hope for is a hung jury, in which case the prosecution will try again. If he is acquitted, he walks and game over. But that seems highly unlikely.
 
Can this guy really get a fair trial with everybody knowing that BLM is threatening to burn the country down if they don't get the out come they want? You and I did not cause the death of GF why should we have to worry about what BLM is going to do?

Couple of days ago noticed some documentary on LA Rodney King riots on youtoob news page, was wondering if it was trending up due to such speculations in social media related to this trial. Or could be because it's April, per wiki LA riots started in April 1992 and 29th anniversary was coming up.
 
Legally justified? Following policy and procedures? Yeah, I’ll use other criteria to decide what is right, justified or moral.

That is more referring to the outcome of the case, it's difficult to prosecute somebody for following the training procedures.

But for a moral justification, how about the fact that Chauvin is 5'9" 140 lbs and George Floyd was 6'6" 240 lbs? He was being detained over passing a counterfeit bill. Unfortunately, because of the war on drugs, he had to eat his drugs and OD'd on fentanyl. I'm not saying it was all George Floyd's fault, if it wasn't for the drug issue he probably wouldn't have been as concerned about being detained and having his car searched, etc..

But I'm not sure what you want Chauvin to have done differently, apart from choosing a different career path.
 
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No matter where the knee was, 8 minutes is too long. I'm ok with the use of force, but not that long.

Sometimes cops have to be brutal to do their job and I'm ok with that. But Floyd was held down too long.

The guy in the OP when cross examined admitted that if he had passed out, if he woke back up he could have continued to be aggressive. Did you even see all of the videos of him resisting arrest? They went on for a long time. Also, by then you had bystanders who were threatening the officers. The defense made a pretty good case that part of the reason Chauvin had to keep him in that position was to ensure things didn't get out of hand again, because they had an angry crowd who may have come in to aid him.
 
The guy in the OP when cross examined admitted that if he had passed out, if he woke back up he could have continued to be aggressive. Did you even see all of the videos of him resisting arrest? They went on for a long time. Also, by then you had bystanders who were threatening the officers. The defense made a pretty good case that part of the reason Chauvin had to keep him in that position was to ensure things didn't get out of hand again, because they had an angry crowd who may have come in to aid him.

Man, take a step back. You're seriously taking the State line on this??!

The reason Chauvin "HAD" to keep him in that position is because a poor guy was laid off because of state covid policies, then he tried to swindle a pack of smokes. Then the Keystone Kop agents of the State escalated the situation into putting the guy face down in the street in front of a gathering crowd.

And yes, this cop was just doing his job, as evidenced by all the other cops supporting the arrest and methods. I don't think racism had anything to do with this - this is a problem with the enforcement edicts of the State. Agents of the State murdered a citizen. Period.

It's kinda sick to break it down to the last few minutes as a justification for why the cops "had" to do anything.
 
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