Comedian Josh Johnson on Juneteenth
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For some strange reason, I got a craving for red velvet cake...
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Juneteenth is nothing but a local (or at best state) level holiday for blacks in the hinterlands of Texas whose ancestors were freed later than other slaves because the news hadn't traveled out that far.
The War Between the States was complicated and I'm not going to go into the complexities here.
But if you do want to celebrate ending slavery (and it did need to end) then you have a few choices that make more sense.
If you are ignorant you can celebrate Lincoln's Birthday.
If you know enough to know that Lincoln was not a sincere Abolitionist then the obvious holiday would be the date of the Emancipation Proclamation or the 13thA.
If you really know your history you should celebrate Cassius Marcellus Clay's Birthday, Clay was the man truly responsible for ending slavery:
The War Between the States was complicated and I'm not going to go into the complexities here.
But if you do want to celebrate ending slavery (and it did need to end) then you have a few choices that make more sense.
If you are ignorant you can celebrate Lincoln's Birthday.
If you know enough to know that Lincoln was not a sincere Abolitionist then the obvious holiday would be the date of the Emancipation Proclamation or the 13thA.
If you really know your history you should celebrate Cassius Marcellus Clay's Birthday, Clay was the man truly responsible for ending slavery:
I don't think this should be a national holiday. I also don't think MLK day or Columbus day should be.
Irish people were opressed and we don't have St Patrick's day. Chinese people were oppressed and they don't have Chinese new year. Gay people were oppressed and they don't get a day. Women were oppressed and they don't have a day.
Where does it stop?
Irish people were opressed and we don't have St Patrick's day. Chinese people were oppressed and they don't have Chinese new year. Gay people were oppressed and they don't get a day. Women were oppressed and they don't have a day.
Where does it stop?
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No, they get thirty. They get a whole month. The slave drivers just don't give us the month off, I think you mean.
Yes that is what I mean, not a federal holiday.
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Women were not oppressed.
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No woman anywhere was ever oppressed.
Got it.
You're just like a liberal. You're so busy trying to make infinite shades of gray all black and white that you've lost all touch with the real world.
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Nice try but no cigar.
Women were not oppressed as a rule the way Africans were enslaved as a rule.
There were free blacks, including the first man in America to keep slaves for life instead of for a set number of years as indentured servants.
But you just have to defend the feminist lie that women were oppressed as a class.
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Turned it off when he got to talking about how it was America's fight for freedom and how people stood in the way.
I'm sure all the poor whites in the South that got voluntarily turned into hamburger were doing it to keep their rich asshole neighbor able to own people.
I'm sure all the poor whites in the South that got voluntarily turned into hamburger were doing it to keep their rich asshole neighbor able to own people.
You have become the Baghdad Bob and Hanoi Hannah of RPF.
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Actually....the South instituted the draft before the North and the South exempted slave owners based on how many slaves they owned. Do you think that was right? Some areas of the South were slavery wasn't as prevalent seceded from their secessionist states. The Free State Of Jones is one example. Winston County Alabama is another example that is dramatized in a musical that's decades old called Incident At Looney's Tavern. And West Virginia seceding from Virginia is another. Of course the real kicker is, most Americans don't own oil wells but that doesn't mean America hasn't fought wars for oil. (Or bananas. Or opium.) Maybe you need to re-familiarize yourself with "War Is A Racket" by Smedley Butler?
Anyhow, I love Josh Johnson's comedy even when I don't agree. Those who cut off comedians just because they are offended by their politics do themselves a disservice IMO. It's like all of the people who get offended by David Chappelle. (Which is just about everybody...but some have a sense of humor about it.)
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So....I'm going to kick myself for saying this, but [MENTION=65299]Swordsmyth[/MENTION] is actually correct. Bill Burr pointed this out in an excellent SNL opener a few years ago. The part about women grabbing the victimhood card is made at around 3:25.
"You guys (white women) stuck beside us (white men) through centuries of our crimes against humanity. You rolled around in the blood money. And occasionally if you stuck off to get with a black dude and you got caught you said it wasn't consensual. So why don't you shut up, sit down next to me and take your talking to?"
But he makes a brilliant point. In terms of economics, white women were in no way left behind. As their fathers, brothers, husbands moved ahead, they were pulled right along economically just the same. And long before there was a man of any race as President Of The United States there were women monarchs on every continent. As for gays getting the whole month of June, Bill Burr jokes about that too. "Oh. It's pride month. That's a little long for people who were never enslaved. How do black people get February, only 28 days, the sun goes down a 4 pm, everybody is shivering, nobody wants to go to the parade."
And...at the end of the day....it's just jokes people. Lighten up.
Oh, and SS is correct that the first person ever to convert his indentured servant to a permanent slave was an African American who was once and indentured servant. I've read the decision. It seems the indentured servant wanted to go to a different master and rather than just send him back to AA master as per contract the court made the slavery permanent.
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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Swordsmyth again.
Very good video. They should make a movie about him. As for Juneteenth as a holiday, it was originally just a "black thing" that we did (I remember when my aunt who is now 72 told me about it and I'd never heard of it before. I was a teen at the time I think). It's kind of like Jews having a holiday for....well everything. (Purim for example for the victory over the family of Haman). Fun fact. Memorial Day was created by freed slaves who wanted to honor Union POWs who died at a Confederate camp.
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