Clever way to promote "The Revolution" | A Christian writer GETS the American Empire!

[RonPaulVolunteer]

Clever way to promote "The Revolution" | A Christian writer GETS the American Empire!

I stumbled across a review on Amazon of this brand new book I was interested, AND IT PROMOTES RON PAUL!!

Let's go Click YES on the review so everyone read the part highlighted below.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0310275024/

Rob Bell challenges us to see our world through the eyes of Jesus, September 22, 2008

In his latest work, Jesus Wants To Save Christians, Rob Bell along with friend Don Golden reflects on the growing differences between the message of the Gospel as found in the Bible, and the message of the gospel as preached in many Western churches each Sunday.

No doubt the criticisms will come that this book is anti-American, or un-Patriotic as Bell portrays America's growing global empire by way of comparison with other global empires of their time. The comparison is chilling and leaves the reader thinking, "what the heck are we doing?? Is this what Jesus wants for our nation??".

Rob Bell is in essence calling for Reformation in the Church. It is a timely and indeed Prophetic book that calls out the mischief of the war-makers and calls the Bride back to its roots and a message of grace and redemption. Something that will no doubt grate painfully with many right-wing pseudo-Conservative "christians" that see foreign enemies as the real cause of our problems, rather that those domestic enemies Thomas Jerfferson warned us of.

Calling things as they really are and shining the light of Kingdom truth on where we are headed as a nation is something few men are brave enough to do. This book will challenge you to reflect on your own faith and ask yourself hard questions about your day to day opinions of war and terrorism and what our response as Followers of Christ should be.

A Manifesto For the Church In Exile. The sub title is extremely fitting. This book should go hand in hand with another Manifesto written by a Christian, that of Congressman Dr. Ron Paul; The Revolution: A Manifesto. Both books are in agreement with each other but present the argument from two very different but very solid positions. I recommend both of these books together.

Ending the book, Bell calls the reader to consider their place in the world. To stop waiting for something big to happen and to simply live the example of Christ for the rest of the world, and everything that entails. Buy this book, it will challenge and provoke you to see the world through the eyes of Jesus and not of the "Western Christian faith". And that, can only be a good thing.

I give this book 5 out 5. If this review was helpful to you, please click yes below.

 

[RonPaulVolunteer]

bump - a small but not insignificant way to get some attention. Rob Bell is very famous in the church and this review will be seen by tens of thousands.

 

[RonPaulVolunteer]

bump

 

[H Roark]

This book looks like an interesting read... Anybody have read Mark Dice's The Resistance know if its worth the paper its printed on?

 

[RonPaulVolunteer]

Ho Crap... I have been listening to the book, bought it on Audible, and he TEARS into the American Empire. Like to the degree that I think he may be putting his life in danger. I just checked and it's on BitTorrent too if you want it. I am stunned at his words and his compelling argument. He totally blows apart the American Empire in a way Ron Paul never even has. No matter what your religious persuasion or lack-thereof, I recommend you listen or read this book, and definitely give it to any Christians you know. And trust me, I'm not exaggerating. Listen to it!!

 

[Mark]

up ^^

 

[TruckinMike]

Something that will no doubt grate painfully with many right-wing pseudo-Conservative "christians" that see foreign enemies as the real cause of our problems, rather that those domestic enemies Thomas Jerfferson warned us of.

Exactly! Many of these folks have simply been brainwashed by false teachings, thus succumbed to false patriotism. They believe they are being righteous, with God, but they have been deceived.

The Bible warns against deceptive teachers (2 Thess. 2:3, 10). Paul, in his graphic warning to the Corinthians, says: "For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. (ie - John Hagee) And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works" (2 Cor. 11:13-15).

whose end will be according to their works

economic collapse, possible war, millions of deaths.

..Rapture? Maybe, maybe not. I'm here, therefore I will fight. Rapture or no rapture.The signs will be recognized, but we will NOT know when.

TMike

EDIT: I don't know about this bell guy. He seems like an air fairy new ager lib (crystals anyone?). Not a believer in the scripture itself. He quotes it to create false impressions or to use as philosophical examples. Just another false teacher.

 

[jaumen]

I love Rob Bell. I'll be buying this as soon as I have some money to spare.

 

[RonPaulVolunteer]

I love Rob Bell. I'll be buying this as soon as I have some money to spare.

This is a book everyone needs to read, Christian or not. There's nothing in this book about the American empire an Atheist would disagree with. I have never read anything like it.

Again, if you want to get the audio version for free, it is on BitTorrent. And no, I bought mine!

 

[RonPaulVolunteer]

Wow, this was way down. Nice to see traffic is back up here. Lots of people on today.

 

[V4Vendetta]

Ho Crap... I have been listening to the book, bought it on Audible, and he TEARS into the American Empire. Like to the degree that I think he may be putting his life in danger. I just checked and it's on BitTorrent too if you want it. I am stunned at his words and his compelling argument. He totally blows apart the American Empire in a way Ron Paul never even has. No matter what your religious persuasion or lack-thereof, I recommend you listen or read this book, and definitely give it to any Christians you know. And trust me, I'm not exaggerating. Listen to it!!

Yes it sounds very interesting, I just saved it on my amazon profile.
I always like to listen to the spoken word while reading the book at the same time.

Do you have a link for the torrent?

 

[V4Vendetta]

EDIT: I don't know about this bell guy. He seems like an air fairy new ager lib (crystals anyone?). Not a believer in the scripture itself. He quotes it to create false impressions or to use as philosophical examples. Just another false teacher.[/QUOTE]

Are you saying Rob Bell is not really a christian and that he's a NewAger?

 

[Rhys]

listening now... they have the first two chaps online free jesuswantstoSavechristians.com terrible website, good book

 

[RonPaulVolunteer]

Yeah the torrent is here:
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4406153/Rob_Bell_-_Jesus_Wants_To_Save_Christians_-_iTunes_AudioBook

And those who complain, I bought it!!

 

[RonPaulVolunteer]

EDIT: I don't know about this bell guy. He seems like an air fairy new ager lib (crystals anyone?). Not a believer in the scripture itself. He quotes it to create false impressions or to use as philosophical examples. Just another false teacher.

It's the same old thing. God's people persecuting the Prophets.

I have been in ministry a long time, and it's sad to see how people claim to be Followers of Jesus, and yet want to destroy others with different views. It's the height of arrogance to believe you have it right and others have it wrong. But this is what they are afraid of - when you listen to Rob Bell, you quickly see that he has a grasp of the ENTIRE Bible that most religious teachers simply can not even begin to fathom. They get jealous. Rob Bell comes in and annihilates their doctrines that are based on such limited knowledge of the Bible. For instance, Rob Bell will be talking about a New Testament Scripture, of which most Bible scholars may have one idea about, and Rob Bell will be like, no, wait a minute, he's quoting Isaiah's prophecy and what's he's talking about is THIS. And because it may utterly wreck the average Bible teachers view, Rob Bell gets attacked. As someone who has been in Christian ministry a long time, I see it ALL the time.

For me, Rob Bell has opened the Scriptures to me, and put a hunger to learn everything about the Scriptures that no other teacher has come even remotely close to. I believe he is a bona-fide modern-day Prophet. I believe books like this prove it, and I fully expect the majority of people will call him a heretic, just like they have done to every Prophet before him.

And you know what's amazing, non-Christians LOVE this book. And I think that says a lot. God is cutting through the religious BS of men and speaking in way that pisses of the religious and excites the irreligious. THAT'S what JESUS did 2000 years ago, and He's doing it again!

 

[BuddyRey]

How blessed I feel to have found this thread and read about this book when I did! I was just despairing over the state of the Christian Church and its links with AIPAC and other Imperialist advocacy groups yesterday morning, while I was held captive with a tray of toast in my lap as John Hagee blustered over "threats to Israel."

Thanks so much for sharing! I'm definitely going to check out this book!

If anybody could hook me up with a BitTorrent for the audiobook, I'd really appreciate it!

 

[RonPaulVolunteer]

How blessed I feel to have found this thread and read about this book when I did! I was just despairing over the state of the Christian Church and its links with AIPAC and other Imperialist advocacy groups yesterday morning, while I was held captive with a tray of toast in my lap as John Hagee blustered over "threats to Israel."

Thanks so much for sharing! I'm definitely going to check out this book!

If anybody could hook me up with a BitTorrent for the audiobook, I'd really appreciate it!

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4406153/Rob_Bell_-_Jesus_Wants_To_Save_Christians_-_iTunes_AudioBook

 

[RoyalShock]

It's the same old thing. God's people persecuting the Prophets.

I have been in ministry a long time, and it's sad to see how people claim to be Followers of Jesus, and yet want to destroy others with different views. It's the height of arrogance to believe you have it right and others have it wrong. But this is what they are afraid of - when you listen to Rob Bell, you quickly see that he has a grasp of the ENTIRE Bible that most religious teachers simply can not even begin to fathom. They get jealous. Rob Bell comes in and annihilates their doctrines that are based on such limited knowledge of the Bible. For instance, Rob Bell will be talking about a New Testament Scripture, of which most Bible scholars may have one idea about, and Rob Bell will be like, no, wait a minute, he's quoting Isaiah's prophecy and what's he's talking about is THIS. And because it may utterly wreck the average Bible teachers view, Rob Bell gets attacked. As someone who has been in Christian ministry a long time, I see it ALL the time.

For me, Rob Bell has opened the Scriptures to me, and put a hunger to learn everything about the Scriptures that no other teacher has come even remotely close to. I believe he is a bona-fide modern-day Prophet. I believe books like this prove it, and I fully expect the majority of people will call him a heretic, just like they have done to every Prophet before him.

And you know what's amazing, non-Christians LOVE this book. And I think that says a lot. God is cutting through the religious BS of men and speaking in way that pisses of the religious and excites the irreligious. THAT'S what JESUS did 2000 years ago, and He's doing it again!

Rob Bell is a leader of what is referred to as the "Emergent Church". I have seen a couple of his Nooma videos and thought they offered an interesting perspective on how Christians should live today.

But I'd be careful about harshly criticizing those who are "testing the prophets". It's the only way to identify the false ones. I'm not saying Rob Bell is or isn't, but "wrecking the average Bible teacher's view" doesn't sound like a very good test. Neither does your assertion that those he disagrees with have "such limited knowledge of the Bible."

He has denied that the virgin conception has any notable theological importance, that if DNA evidence proved Jesus had an earthly biological father, we'll just assume the biblical account is a myth thrown in to appeal to followers of Mithra and other popular beliefs at the time. So I disagree that he grasps the entire Bible or understands how his seemingly minor dismissal of a biblical account has a domino effect. (So, we're supposed to accept that Mary was a promiscuous cheater who lied about God's miraculous conception and that the prophecy in Isaiah 7:14 was wrong?)

Sorry to take this off-topic, but just wanted to say to those unfamiliar with Bell that there are questions among Bible scholars about his views toward fundamental doctrines.

 

[RonPaulVolunteer]

Rob Bell is a leader of what is referred to as the "Emergent Church". I have seen a couple of his Nooma videos and thought they offered an interesting perspective on how Christians should live today.

But I'd be careful about harshly criticizing those who are "testing the prophets". It's the only way to identify the false ones. I'm not saying Rob Bell is or isn't, but "wrecking the average Bible teacher's view" doesn't sound like a very good test. Neither does your assertion that those he disagrees with have "such limited knowledge of the Bible."

He has denied that the virgin conception has any notable theological importance, that if DNA evidence proved Jesus had an earthly biological father, we'll just assume the biblical account is a myth thrown in to appeal to followers of Mithra and other popular beliefs at the time. So I disagree that he grasps the entire Bible or understands how his seemingly minor dismissal of a biblical account has a domino effect. (So, we're supposed to accept that Mary was a promiscuous cheater who lied about God's miraculous conception and that the prophecy in Isaiah 7:14 was wrong?)

Sorry to take this off-topic, but just wanted to say to those unfamiliar with Bell that there are questions among Bible scholars about his views toward fundamental doctrines.

I have to leave right now, but your assertions are dead wrong, and perhaps lies??!! Particularly you saying he denies the virgin birth. That sort of thing get's you in serious trouble with God. Are you a fool? Because Rob Bell does no such thing.

I will give you some info when I get back, but in the mean time, I suggest you google some of your thoughts here and find they are wrong yourself before I get back.

 

[RoyalShock]

I have to leave right now, but your assertions are dead wrong, and perhaps lies??!! Particularly you saying he denies the virgin birth. That sort of thing get's you in serious trouble with God. Are you a fool? Because Rob Bell does no such thing.

I will give you some info when I get back, but in the mean time, I suggest you google some of your thoughts here and find they are wrong yourself before I get back.

Read what I said again. I didn't say he denied the virgin conception. Only that if it was somehow proven false through DNA testing it must have just been a myth thrown in by the gospel authors for the sake of those following other cults. That tells me he doesn't think it is significant. Then I explained why that possibility poses serious theological problems for him. And if you must know, several other respected Bible experts, one of whom I have a great deal of respect for (Hank Hanegraaf) have a similar view of Bell's statement.

In fact, I only just discovered this today on a Google search about Bell. I found several hits and they were direct quotes from one of his books. Here it is:

What if tomorrow someone digs up definitive proof that Jesus had a real, earthly, biological father named Larry, and archeologists find Larry’s tomb and do DNA samples and prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the virgin birth was really just a bit of mythologizing the Gospel writers threw in to appeal to the followers of the Mithra and Dionysian religious cults that were hugely popular at the time of Jesus, whose gods had virgin births?

But what if, as you study the origin of the word “virgin” you discover that the word “virgin” in the gospel of Matthew actually comes from the book of Isaiah, and then you find out that in the Hebrew language at that time, the word “virgin” could mean several things. And what if you discover that in the first century being “born of a virgin” also referred to a child whose mother became pregnant the first time she had intercourse?

What if that spring were seriously questioned? Could a person keep on jumping? Could a person still love God? Could you still be a Christian? Is the way of Jesus still the best possible way to live? Or does the whole thing fall apart?

To accept his implication of what virgin might have meant, means that several aspects of the conception and birth as told in the Gospels are errant. I believe scripture to be the inerrant word of God and so I take exception with what Bell is asking us to entertain.

Could my intepretation of what he said be wrong? Sure. But based off the quote above I think it's a reasonable interpretation. As a Christian it is my right and responsibility to hold man's biblical teachings up to scripture. And in this case, I find that Rob Bell's "what ifs" don't hold up to the standard of scripture. Clearly, you feel differently and that is your right.

Like I said, I found his Nooma videos interesting and there are certainly things Christians can learn about how we should be living in the world.