Christian Conservative for Ron Paul

[gravesdav]

I think there is a lot of negative energy about Christian conservatives and evangelicals on this board. The fact is that they are a major part of the Republican Party and i think RP can get a lot of support from Christian Conservatives.

Paul is against abortion and for traditional values(sort of). Most of all he against things that risk American Sovereignty and Liberty like the North American Union, managed trade, and a National ID card. Many Christians believe that this is paving the way for the antichrist, and it is preached from Protestant pulpits and tv evangelists.

As a former neo-con who supported neo-cons because of my religion alot I can see where they have failed for the Christian Right. We have a Republican President, "conservative" supreme court justices, and we had a Republican Congress. Not a single thing was done to stop abortion. Neo-cons are really all about war and globalism. When they support Joe Lieberman as a vice president (Hannity) you know they only care about war. Traditional values is just rhetoric for neo-cons to win Christian Conservatives.

I believe that as a Christian Conservative I would rather support Ron Paul who truly believes that abortion should be left to the states and that the government shouldn't be in the business of marriage(gay or straight) rather than fake neo-con traditional value talk.

I know that alot of the people on the board are liberals and left leaning Libertarians but please be tolerant and accepting to the Paleo-conservative Libertarian Christians like myself. We try to gain support for RP not exclude

 

[NewEnd]

I think there is a lot of postitve energy towards them as well.

You will find whatever you are looking for.

P.S. I sent a thank you letter to David Brody for his paul interview, and got a personal reply!

P.P.S. I am agnostic, and fairly liberal, but still support Ron Paul.

 

[TheConstitutionLives]

I'm a paleo-Christian myself. I'm hoping that the mainstream Chrisitians support RP and learn that it isn't the government's job to regulate morality. That's the parents' responsibility.

 

[lucky]

Yes

Gravedav. I am very Conservative and there are many more here also and we have ll been civil toward each other. I for one has found this amazing. Why would the people that believes in Socialist policies be behind Ron Paul? It has puzzled me and I have tried to find an answer but so far the best I can come up with is that it makes no difference.

None of us can get what we desire from the Government until there are major changes and then we can all sit down and discuss things. I would like to see some of the things the Libs want but I know we can't afford it and the same goes for the other side I am sure. Never seen two sides get together like this before witout the rancor.

 

[JoshLowry]

Ron Paul brings in people from all across the spectrum so we will have our differences. However we all agree with his platform for different reasons that it is enough to bond us together as a team.

It really is quite amazing.

 

[hambone1982]

Gravesdav. I too am a member of the "Christian Right" although I have not really associated myself with that title since before the Iraq War.

I think that Ron Paul could use the support from the Christian Right and I think he will get it if he can do well in some of the early primaries back East.

The Christian Right will not support Romney or Giuliani. So our main competition is McCain, although he's said a few derogatory remarks about the Christian Right, (unless Fred Thompson gets into the race). I really think the key to this primary is uniting the Christian right behind a solid Pro-Life candidate with strong family values. If Ron Paul can become that candidate, he'll win in a walk.

I think we need to get some of the National and Local Pastors with Radio shows (ie - James Dobson) to back Ron Paul. If we can get them to back Ron Paul, he'll really move up in the national polls.

Also, if we can get World Net Daily to back Ron Paul, that will bring a lot of Christian and Jewish Conservatives to our side.

The way we're going to reach these people is through common ground - namely, border security, small limited government.

 

[lucky]

Yes

If the Christian Right looks at Ron Pauls consistent voting record and his ideas then they should come on board. Need to get them to come to his site and the you tube site.

 

[Bob Cochran]

I am a Christian and a conservative, and I find that people who describe themselves as such are stereotyped in a very negative way.

The fact that Dubya has turned out to be the kind of guy he has does not help with the negative perceptions; in fact, now we are more hated than ever. Stubbornness and arrogance and inability to admit fault are NOT godly attributes. Many strong Christians disagree strenuously with Dubya.

Ron Paul appears to be much closer to the type of Christian conservative I consider myself to be.

I'm horrified that we're spending so many lives and so much money on Iraq, and not getting anything back for it. I served in the US Army myself and I was lucky in that I was never deployed in such a foolish way (Ronald Reagan was an awesome Commander In Chief, though I didn't realize it at the time). I hope our dear military personnel are all brought home soon. Being non-interventionist is part of being a true conservative to my way of thinking. This is not the same as being an isolationist.

All righty, that's enough Christian conservative rambling for now. Peace, out.

 

[KingTheoden]

Some things to consider while addressing this topic include the facts that 1) Ron Paul is genuinely a 'large tent' candidate and 2) Christian conservatives ought to support Ron Paul because his record is by far the best of any candidate using such a paradigm.

I do not think we have seen in recent history a candidate that has attracted so many liberal or left wing supporters along with conservatives and libertarians. It is a testament to the appeal of the man himself due to his honesty and principled personality combined with the great degree of people that are willing to support a true change for America. The important thing is that when we all work together, we respect one another for our perspectives and beliefs. Frankly I doubt this will be much of a problem whatsoever given the high caliber of Dr. Paul's supporters.

For Christian conservatives, you must realized that Ron Paul is correct on the issue of abortion. Personally I view abortion as murder and just as any murder law, it must be borne of the individual state, not federal government. Ron Paul is a very moral person, going so far in his philosophy that he has rejected the lucrative Congressional retirement package. Giuliani is a man who cheated on his wife and used his position as mayor to publically humiliate her when he declared he wanted a divorce to a press pool, stunning his then wife. He makes references to mob culture like it is some pillar of our society. Note as well that Giuliani sued gun makers in an effort to cripple any means of arms production. McCain is a proven liar who uses gullable members of the Right to support him. Fred Thompson is a conservative myth exibiting no Constitutional principle. His claim to fame is that he is an actor and wants to strike Iran. He is also striken with cancer (one has to consider whether it is acceptable to give Presidential authority and responsibility to a person with lymphoma).

Ron Paul can win as long as we all work hard together for a common goal, casting aside our differences in hopes to revive our nation.

 

[Bob Cochran]

Very astute observations, KingTheoden.

 

[DjLoTi]

I do not think we have seen in recent history a candidate that has attracted so many liberal or left wing supporters along with conservatives and libertarians. It is a testament to the appeal of the man himself due to his honesty and principled personality combined with the great degree of people that are willing to support a true change for America. The important thing is that when we all work together, we respect one another for our perspectives and beliefs. Frankly I doubt this will be much of a problem whatsoever given the high caliber of Dr. Paul's supporters.

I posted this quote on other forums to get other people to understand.

Amazing statment and deliverance. I 100% agree with what you're saying.

 

[ButchHowdy]

James Dobson's endorsement would be extremely helpful but the Christian Zionists are a very racist group that have been hijacked by a 150 year old doctrine that is wrapped up in a fictional novel called 'Left Behind'.

Trouble is, THEY believe it is NON fiction.

 

[X_805]

James Dobson's endorsement would be extremely helpful but the Christian Zionists are a very racist group that have been hijacked by a 150 year old doctrine that is wrapped up in a fictional novel called 'Left Behind'.

Trouble is, THEY believe it is NON fiction.

Fortunately, I don't believe the majority of Christians are like that.

 

[lucky]

Yes

There are a few Christians that are the stereotype that has been shown but most are not. Now out of all of us here is there a stereotype that we are placed in sometimes? It is usually false and is ingrained by the media by showing what they want us to see. We know here that the media is perpetuating these wrong impressions to place us all in a box and separate us. Divide and conquer is the name of the game.

 

[romelll]

James Dobson's endorsement would be extremely helpful but the Christian Zionists are a very racist group that have been hijacked by a 150 year old doctrine that is wrapped up in a fictional novel called 'Left Behind'.

Trouble is, THEY believe it is NON fiction.

Dobson wants us into Iran. Said so on his radio show. I don't see him supporting us. I look at many of those folks very sceptically and looking for what they can get out of it. Falwell before his death was courting Mccain. Dr. James Kennedy and Dr. David Jeramiah are pretty level headed and have a large following. The guy that wrote the Purpose Driven Life leans towards the Democrats, but may be open to Ron Paul.

Many CHristians (like most Americans) are to lazy to read the New Testament thus they don't know whats in the good book and what is not. Thus, series like Left Behind are popular.

 

[KingTheoden]

James Dobson's endorsement would be extremely helpful but the Christian Zionists are a very racist group that have been hijacked by a 150 year old doctrine that is wrapped up in a fictional novel called 'Left Behind'.

Trouble is, THEY believe it is NON fiction.

I did not know that Dobson is still advocating a war with Iran; it is has ironic as it is troubling. On the positive end regarding Dobson, he publically stated that he would never endorse Giuliani. Romney is almost guarenteed not to get such an endorsement because most conservative Christians do not support Mormonism (that is putting it kindly). We are then left with McCain, who teams up with Ted Kennedy frequently and just endorsed an amnesty plan. So who is there left to pick up such an endorsement?

I think the Republican elite will push Fred Thompson into running, but I do not think it will work to derail Ron Paul's campaign because Thompson is not much of a conservative (despite what many think, a great number of conservatives are AGAINST striking Iran). Thompson is very ill, an actor, and a supporter of McCain-Feingold finance restrictions and other big government policies.

If Dobson has any intellectual honesty, he will have to endorse Ron Paul because he is the most honest candidate, most attune to the values of Dobson's followers, and genuinely can win.

 

[Bradley in DC]

James Dobson's endorsement would be extremely helpful but the Christian Zionists are a very racist group that have been hijacked by a 150 year old doctrine that is wrapped up in a fictional novel called 'Left Behind'.

Trouble is, THEY believe it is NON fiction.

Um, wow. We all have our thoughts on different groups, but using such harsh and unsubstantiated terms to paint so many people with so broad a brush might not be that helpful. Remember Dr. Paul's Freedom Principles of respecting individual rights not group rights.

 

[Bob Cochran]

Fortunately, I don't believe the majority of Christians are like that.

Many Christians think the Left Behind series is garbage.

Also, James Dobson's support is not necessary, in my opinion, to win Christian voters over to Ron Paul.

When we say "Christians", we are talking about a huge, diverse group. People inside and outside of Christianity have a hard time grasping the vast diversity within it, just as most Americans don't know that in India, at least 800 distinct languages and around 2,000 dialects have been identified. Official languages in India include Hindi (not to be confused with Hindu, and religion) and English, and 21 other OFFICIAL languages in that country. But most of us think of India as a non-diverse place, just a lot of people with brown skin.

Christianity also contains this kind of diversity. There are many large and small denominations, non-denominational groups, all of them with somewhat different takes on certain non-core doctrines. Within Christianity, you find every race, every ethnicity, every education level, every income level, every political party.

 

[Bradley in DC]

Dr. Paul owes his seat to the Christian Right

Immediately after Dr. Paul told the DC Republicans he intended to run for Congress against the incumbent Democrat Laughlin, Laughlin switched parties and got a seat on Ways and Means. Many of us don't think it was a co-incidence.

Dr. Paul ran anyway againt the now-incumbent in the Republican primary along with Laughlin's former Republican challenger Jim? Deats (sp?) who was a Christian Right kind of candidate. While not initially sympathetic to Dr. Paul as a candidate, as the debates and campaign wore on, he grew to appreciate him and his approah more and more. On election night, Laughlin (who had the support of both George Bushes, Newt, the RNCC, and the rest of the establishment) came in first, Dr. Paul second, Deats third.

Dr. Paul won in the run-off election in large part because Deats not only endorsed Dr. Paul but campaigned for him (against Laughlin).

The story here is that many (probably most) politically-active Christian conservatives have a healthy--and warranted--skepticism towards the establishment candidates. Harriet Miers or Alberto Gonzolas for the Supreme Court? Not only is Dr. Paul personally a moral man, but he stands alone for moral leadership in government (don't steal, etc.). It is with the Christian conservatives that Dr. Paul will win the nomination and then beat Hillary to be president!

 

[Captain Shays]

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