Best way to protect people that depend on disability?

[ClayTrainor]

Alright, i'm talking to someone who is claiming to be heavily dependant on the disability system. I already told explained the following to him

Do i support helping people with disabilities? Yes. Do i support helping sick children? yes, & i donate a large chunk of my salary to Sick Children

I am for all of these nice things that you advocate but the only thing is, i do not want to use the gun of the government to achieve them

If by disability you mean, do i support using Govt Force to steal money from people in order to support people with disabilities, than no i dont

And he responded with

Ok so your saying my sister who is mildly retarded from being a blue baby. Which is 4 defects of the heart which deprived her brain of oxygen should die?

It is impossible for her to work and she is no child.

She can't drive nor can she do any other complex task.

Considering my mother died after she was 18 and I haven't seen my father since I was born. Not to mention I was to young to help her.

She would be dead if it wasn't for disability.

So basically you would want people to die?

I'm just looking for some input on how to respond to this

I know a lot of people abuse the disability system, as i've witnessed it myself in Canada but, I'm not sure how to approach the above scenario, as he's gone ahead and made it personal.

 

[ClayTrainor]

bump

 

[Lafayette]

Its like the good doctor always says.

We dont want to put anyone out on the street, but we cant keep spending until we are bankrupt, then everyone is out on the street.


Cut over seas spending, kill the income tax, pay off the debt, slowly ween them off the gubment cheese and transition over to charities, churches and local communities.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

deregulate business and eliminate all the taxes businesses have to pay so businesses can hire/accommodate disabled folks!

 

[LibertyEagle]

Eventually, this type of thing has to be left up to charity.

 

[Bman]

Besides the fact that the person is giving you a straw man argument, I have a friend who was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer (He just went through chemo hopfully it goes into remission). One of things that was done was an organized party at a local firehall to raise money to help with the costs. Plus you'd be surprised how many places(small business's) offer donations for events such as this. It's much better to be part of a community than it is to steal from people. That's what the otherside doesn't want to admit. They don't want to believe there's enough good in the world to make it work. They are so fearful of the world burning and falling apart that they lie to themselves daily not realizing that the way of life they support is more likly to end in a bang than any idea that promotes self-responsibility. I don't know of a kind way to tell someone to stop being lazy, whether it be physical or mental, but that's what needs to happen for this person.

Here's my thought as best as I can say it.

If you want to figure out how to do something, figure out how to do it without stealing. Then you've truly figured it out. Until that time your are fooling yourself and wasting my money.

 

[VIDEODROME]

Well maybe he has a point. I mean being honest here in the real world a person like his sister could fall through the cracks and be neglected without some kind of support system or safety net.

You also have a point that you don't want to be taxed unfairly. I mean it can be a burden for the national government to just add the burden of these costs to everyone especially if it adds taxes to the lower class.

So I'd look for some kind of middle ground here. In the U.S. lots of things are funded on the local level like Police and Emergency services and I like it better that way. So my first suggestion is have any disability program run by the state or province for easier transparency and accountability.

I would also consider how it is paid for. An alternative would be to have fund raising drives. Television stations could run Public Service Announcements asking for help. There could be annual fund raising events like concerts or sports events. Hopefully if enough comes in you can avoid the taxes all together.

I'd see that as government operating with a guiding hand instead of a fist.

 

[muzzled dogg]

a well regulated militia

 

[ClayTrainor]

Lot's of good perspectives in here so far, thanks

 

[kathy88]

I have a brother-in-law who hurt his back, and at this point I'm not even sure how. He's been riding the SSI train for years. They are always complaining about not having enough money. I don't see them often, but when I do I always throw out there to his wife, why don't you work? And get the song and dance about how even a minimum wage job will affect his benefits and government medicaid or whatever pays his outrageous bills for surgeries, electric wheelchair, and the pain medication he's addicted to. (She is also fat and lazy). They also have a son with CP, who receives disability also. He's about 20? I've known my husband for 7 years, and it's been like this since I met them. A younger daughter has severe ADHD and they've been trying to get her benefits as well. Although my husband will speak to them occasionally, it's been over a year since I have. I get too pissed. They are teaching their kids to sponge off the government.

 

[Epic]

just say that private sources can handle it, especially in a good economy which would result if government size were to be reduced (non-essentials such as military and departments first, then entitlements later)

 

[Sean]

Look at it the other way also. Should someone be forced into servitude because someone has a mildly retarded sister? In the past the way these things were handled were through the family. Does this person have aunts, uncles, grandparents,cousins etc? That is your first line of defense. Second would be charity orphanages and such. People like the guy with the sister are always making arguments that people would die. Ask that now that he is grown up does he take care of his sister and removed her from government aid? Or did he put his sister in a home for others to take care of.

 

[TGGRV]

Charities, family... I mean, no offense, my family is poor and yet we manage to help eachother to get surgeries if we need them. By the way, this would help people care more about family life too. ;p

 

[paulitics]

I don't see nothing wrong with a little safety net. Some people are blind, have cancer, and do not have the capacity to work a 40 hour job like those who are blessed with good health. How are they going to make enough money to live, if they can barely get out of bed and do menial tasks? A charity can be selective, and not everyone will get help, or have family to help them out. So yes, I can see how those on disablity would persih without some support.

I'm not talking about the federal government, but it should be left to the states to decide the type of disability program. I think part time disability with assistance in training, so that the disabled can make the transition is very pragmatic.

Disability benefits is not a huge drain on the economy, and can help some people get back on their feet instead of dyine or getting worse. Many people only use disability for a couple of years, and then go back to work full time.

 

[jkr]

how long would you like her to live that way? because eventually it is probable see will die.

 

[noxagol]

The problem with a government safety net is that I am forced to take care of someone else, thus MY life is made worse against my will because someone else happens to get a raw deal in life. How is this fair to me?

Disability was not started to help the disabled. It was started to buy their votes, keep their votes, and turn them into government slaves.

 

[A. Havnes]

Interesting thread. If something tragic happened and I was turned into a disabled person, I wonder what my life would be like? Let's say I wind up as a blind and complete quadriplegic. Major car crash, both eyes fall out, and my neck breaks, damaging my spinal cord. Would charities take care of me? Would the states? My family sure as heck can't do it.

Stuff like this takes some deeper thought.

 

[Steeleye]

It's called Soylent Green.

 

[TGGRV]

Interesting thread. If something tragic happened and I was turned into a disabled person, I wonder what my life would be like? Let's say I wind up as a blind and complete quadriplegic. Major car crash, both eyes fall out, and my neck breaks, damaging my spinal cord. Would charities take care of me? Would the states? My family sure as heck can't do it.

Stuff like this takes some deeper thought.

I hope I'd die in that situation. lol

 

[LibForestPaul]

He is responding emotionally to logical reasoning. Most likely, he does not, as you believe, people would voluntarily donate money to help the elderly, the sickly, and the challenged.

You reply should go as follows:

Do you believe in helping people?

Do you believe most people help others in need?

If you yourself were very wealthy, would you help the disabled?

Does the government give all the money it steals from people to the disabled?

What percentage does it cost to administer this program?

How many bureaucrats are profiting from you sisters disability?

Would should be better served by a different program? If she is not being served well by the government, who competes with the government?

You must guide him to the answers...