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Bernanke: New Stimulus A Good Idea

SevenEyedJeff

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...And the dollar takes off again! USDX up over 83!!!

Doesn't anyone realize that this is only going to help the US economy short term?

The 2009 budget deficit is already over $ 2 trillion for next year, and a stimulus will only add to that! The dollar should be going straight down should it not?:confused:
 
...And the dollar takes off again! USDX up over 83!!!

Doesn't anyone realize that this is only going to help the US economy short term?

The 2009 budget deficit is already over $ 2 trillion for next year, and a stimulus will only add to that! The dollar should be going straight down should it not?:confused:

That's all anyone cares about, feeling good for now without regard to how it will affect the future.
 
ALLLLLLLLLL Aboard!

All Aboard the Inflation train.

More Credit . . . . . . . Public stimulus . . . . . . Banker Bailout . . . . . . . corporate bailout . . . . . . more credit . . . . . . . MORE CREDIt . . . . . State government bailout . . . . . public stimulus . . . . . more credit . . . . more bailouts . . . . bigger deficits . . . . . foreign dollar dumping. . . . chugga chugga . . . Whoooooo - Whoooooo!!!!!!!

It's pulling up the hill right now. But in a year or so it is going to top the pass and start down the other side with 100 cars loaded with lead and no brakes.
 
article littered with bullshit here

full article here http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081020/ap_on_bi_ge/financial_meltdown



"If the Congress proceeds with a fiscal package, it should consider including measures to help improve access to credit by consumers, home buyers, businesses and other borrowers," Bernanke said. "Such actions might be particularly effective at promoting economic growth and job creation," he added.

The Fed and the world's other major central banks recently joined forces to slice interest rates, the first coordinated action of that kind in the Fed's history. The central bank meets next on Oct. 28-29 and many economists believe Fed policymakers will again lower its key rate — now at 1.50 percent — to brace the wobbly economy.

HOW MUCH LOWER CAN THEY GO????


Over time, "stimulus provided by monetary policy" along with the eventual stabilization in housing markets and improvements in credit markets will help the economy get back on firm footing, Bernanke said.

Dropping rates might induce consumers and businesses to boost their spending, an important ingredient to energize overall economic activity.SPEND IT ALL BABY, AT SOME POINT WILL THE AMERICAN "CONSUMER" STOP?

So far, though, a string of drastic actions by the Fed and the Bush administration has yet to turn around a bunker mentality. Banks fear lending money to each other and to their customers. Businesses are reluctant to hire and boost capital investments. Consumers have hunkered down. All the economy's problems are feeding off each other, creating a vicious cycle that Washington policymakers are finding difficult to break.

One-third of Americans are worried about losing their jobs, half fret they will be unable to keep up with mortgage and credit card payments, and seven in 10 are anxious that their stocks and retirement investments are losing value, according to an Associated Press-Yahoo News poll of likely voters released Monday.

Unemployment could hit 7.5 percent or higher by next year NOTE: MASSAGED GOVERNMENT NUMBER. Many analysts predict the economy will shrink later this year and early next year, meeting the classic definition of a recession OH THATS RIGHT WE ARENT IN A RECESSION..?. Some believe the economy already jolted into reverse during the July-to-September quarter.

Last week, the Treasury Department announced it would inject up to $250 billion in U.S. banks in return for partial ownership, something that hasn't been done since the Great Depression. The government hopes banks will use the capital infusions to rebuild their reserves and bolster lending to customers.

Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said Monday that government purchases of stock in banks represent an investment that should eventually make money for the taxpayer. CAN I GET MY CHECK FOR THAT KING HENRY?
 
All Aboard the Inflation train.

More Credit . . . . . . . Public stimulus . . . . . . Banker Bailout . . . . . . . corporate bailout . . . . . . more credit . . . . . . . MORE CREDIt . . . . . State government bailout . . . . . public stimulus . . . . . more credit . . . . more bailouts . . . . bigger deficits . . . . . foreign dollar dumping. . . . chugga chugga . . . Whoooooo - Whoooooo!!!!!!!

It's pulling up the hill right now. But in a year or so it is going to top the pass and start down the other side with 100 cars loaded with lead and no brakes.

I was going to try and interject my dill-wadd knowledge.

But...

You nailed it! :)
 
more Keynesian propaganda

Haven't we already lowered interest rates enough already?!?!? (then again, interest rates could be BELOW ZERO and Wall Street would STILL be bitching and whining for more cheap credit and liquidity! I am so sick of crap like "interest rates are too high" or "excessively high interest rates caused the mess" or "it's the only way to avoid Armageddon"! Also I am DAMN SICK of crap like "we gotta get credit flowing again" when the fact is cheap credit is what caused the mess in the first place! Just how will more lending and even lower interest rates solve a problem caused by these two factors?)

And why is consumer spending so damn important? Why is it always "doom and gloom" when consumer spending falls? What the hell is wrong with thrift and saving money?

Do they NOT know that gas and food prices shot sky-high because of the last wave of these phony "stimulus" checks? Prices will only continue to go up even more rapidly with this latest wave of "stimulus" checks!

We've been in a recession for quite a while if you don't believe the government's Enron/Arthur Andersen-style book cooking.

As for the bank investments "making money for the taxpayer" it's more like making INFLATION for the taxpayer!

If John Maynard Keynes were alive today, he'd be advising the global financial elite right now!

I think our "policy makers" need to take a serious look at this:
http://miikun.110mb.com/misc/stimulus

I suggest they also have a look at the two articles linked (although dated, still quite relevant).
Americans Live In a Fantasy World - Gary North, March 6, 2004
Our Duty To Spend? - Don Mathews, December 8, 2001
 
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They must be running out of ideas already. A rate cut will not really make a difference and another stimulus won't help that much either- maybe a bit for one quarter. But what about the next quarter? This will last much longer than that. I think they need to take a time out and let the market start to sort things out. Housing prices have to fall further. The financial markets have to work out and pay for their excesses. Giving everybody more of our tax money is not going to solve these core issues. It will just delay them being dealt with. Sometimes you just have to bite the bullet.
 
They must be running out of ideas already. A rate cut will not really make a difference and another stimulus won't help that much either- maybe a bit for one quarter. But what about the next quarter? This will last much longer than that. I think they need to take a time out and let the market start to sort things out. Housing prices have to fall further. The financial markets have to work out and pay for their excesses. Giving everybody more of our tax money is not going to solve these core issues. It will just delay them being dealt with. Sometimes you just have to bite the bullet.

How about kicking bullshit banks and businesses to the curb, and allowing well managed and profitable businesses to continue?

WTF?
 
I wonder if we'll see a cut (eventually) to 0.01% like Japan did for a while (or even worse, interest free at literally 0%)....either way, it's not like it really matters as much anymore; everyone is way overborrowed, so the banks can have all the money in the world, but if people refuse to get loans...then the money supply just isn't going to increase as rapidly.

There's been a lot of parallels drawn between Japan's deep recession (which, IMHO they still aren't out of) and our current situation....I just have a bad feeling it's going to be way worse for us.
 
Yep, just gotta keep on increasing the dividends, cash flow and ROI of all of those FED "owners", after all. :p :rolleyes:
 
I wonder if we'll see a cut (eventually) to 0.01% like Japan did for a while (or even worse, interest free at literally 0%)....either way, it's not like it really matters as much anymore; everyone is way overborrowed, so the banks can have all the money in the world, but if people refuse to get loans...then the money supply just isn't going to increase as rapidly.

There's been a lot of parallels drawn between Japan's deep recession (which, IMHO they still aren't out of) and our current situation....I just have a bad feeling it's going to be way worse for us.


That's fucking life!

The gravy train has reached its final destination.

Time to pay the fare and find your way back home.

Not ask the engineer to drive you over a never-ending cliff!
 
Gone fishing.

Time to take the ally off-shore and catch some tucker.

Adios!
 
Not tax money

Giving everybody more of our tax money is not going to solve these core issues.

This isn't tax money! The tax money was spent LONG ago. This is pure inflationary magic. Money from thin air and put into circulation.

They should just get it over with and give every American a million dollars so they can pay off all their debts. Then they should print 20 $1 trillion bills and use them to pay off the National debt. Put Alan Greenspan's face on the $1 trillion bill. Then when the dollar collapses, they can confiscate all the gold in the Fed, mint it into coins and issue that as the new currency. On the face side of the coin will be Ron Paul and the obverse will be a banker hanging from a gallows.
 
Doesn't anyone realize that this is only going to help the US economy short term?

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