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We need more Ron Paul supporters to become delegates...
We need more Ron Paul supporters to become delegates...
Become a Delegate for Ron Paul to Win
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Bradley in DC
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That site had ERRONEOUS information.
Jeff Greenspan has told me personally he did NOT recommend it.
You can see my debate with him here:
http://www.ronpaulforum.com/showthread.php?t=183
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That site had ERRONEOUS information.
Jeff Greenspan has told me personally he did NOT recommend it.
You can see my debate with him here:
http://www.ronpaulforum.com/showthread.php?t=183
Where is the bad information?
Again, it's Approved by the Ron Paul Campaign Committee itself! Jeff Greenspan the Regional Coordinator even said so; I emailed him!
I emailed Jeff Greenspan and he says that he does approve it. hahaha. How else would that site have the approval of Jeff Greenspan? If he didn't approve it, that site would have been shut down a long time ago.
Go to the site yourself. I find nothing wrong with it. and if you do, tell us all!
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Bradley in DC
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It not only has bad links but sends people to "county caucuses" to get the information for their county run elections where there are only state-wide primaries with no caucuses.
He claimed the legal counsel Joe Becker endorsed his urging people to hide their support. I brought that to Joe's attention and the next day that part of the bad information came off the site...
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The Paul campaign's latest delegate fuck up:
PETITION EMERGENCY
This was just posted from Chris. Seems the campaign has dropped the ball again.
Hello all,
I hate to bother you all with this petition stuff again. Monday is the day that the petitions will be verified. I will be heading down to Richmond on Monday as an observer (in lawyer mode) to watch the verification process and make sure we don't get cheated. I don't think there'll be any problems because I don't think they're checking signatures according to the voter roll. They're just counting unless challenged by another campaign.
The process is rather straight forward. A campaign's boxes are unsealed. It is the campaign's responsibility to divide them according to district. The verifiers (about 40 folks) will then begin to count valid signatures, finish their count, and then reseal the boxes. They will then move to the next campaign. Simple, right?
YOU COULDN'T BE MORE WRONG. Let me repeat, it is the duty of each campaign to divide the petitions into the eleven districts. Some numbnut failed to organize them according to the 11 districts--even after I TOLD THE PERSON THAT THIS SHOULD BE DONE.
I am looking for 11 good men and women to volunteer to help me divide that 2.5 foot stack. This means 11 of us at the RPV HQ by no later than 9:00 a.m on Monday. I will need each of you to know the counties within a particular district. I will divide the petitions as fast as I can by calling out the county or the district.
DATE: Monday, Dec. 17, 2007 (Tomorrow)
TIME: 9:00 a.m.
PLACE: Republican Party of Virginia HQ
115 E. Grace St
Richmond, VA
Please respond to this post. I will not need you all very long and you can stay to watch the count. But I do need you all. I don't know how long it will be but I would plan a whole day. I'm taking off of work to do this.
For Liberty,
Chris Kachouroff
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PETITION EMERGENCY
This was just posted from Chris. Seems the campaign has dropped the ball again.
Hello all,
I hate to bother you all with this petition stuff again. Monday is the day that the petitions will be verified. I will be heading down to Richmond on Monday as an observer (in lawyer mode) to watch the verification process and make sure we don't get cheated. I don't think there'll be any problems because I don't think they're checking signatures according to the voter roll. They're just counting unless challenged by another campaign.
The process is rather straight forward. A campaign's boxes are unsealed. It is the campaign's responsibility to divide them according to district. The verifiers (about 40 folks) will then begin to count valid signatures, finish their count, and then reseal the boxes. They will then move to the next campaign. Simple, right?
YOU COULDN'T BE MORE WRONG. Let me repeat, it is the duty of each campaign to divide the petitions into the eleven districts. Some numbnut failed to organize them according to the 11 districts--even after I TOLD THE PERSON THAT THIS SHOULD BE DONE.
I am looking for 11 good men and women to volunteer to help me divide that 2.5 foot stack. This means 11 of us at the RPV HQ by no later than 9:00 a.m on Monday. I will need each of you to know the counties within a particular district. I will divide the petitions as fast as I can by calling out the county or the district.
DATE: Monday, Dec. 17, 2007 (Tomorrow)
TIME: 9:00 a.m.
PLACE: Republican Party of Virginia HQ
115 E. Grace St
Richmond, VA
Please respond to this post. I will not need you all very long and you can stay to watch the count. But I do need you all. I don't know how long it will be but I would plan a whole day. I'm taking off of work to do this.
For Liberty,
Chris Kachouroff
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tiffanyras
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I talked to the owner of the site and he told me he's never even talked to Joe Becker. He also said he took down that article (it was only an article) because it contained Tancredo information and he was tired of people emailing him about why they should support Tancredo and Paul.
What's erroneous about the site? All it says is to register to vote, vote in the primaries and contact your RP state coordinator.
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That site had ERRONEOUS information.
Jeff Greenspan has told me personally he did NOT recommend it.
You can see my debate with him here:
http://www.ronpaulforum.com/showthread.php?t=183
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I'm just trying to help forum members with information on becoming a delegate. That's all.
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The green papers tells everyone what they need to know about becoming a delegate and the delegation process. Im sorry if you feel slighted, but Bradley has done a tremendous job helping with this campaign.
If the site you are pushing has misinformation I am glad he stood up and said something.
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I'm just asking you to going to the site and ACTUALLY LOOKING AT IT YOURSELF.
The Green Papers is a great source as well but delegate.notlong.com gives you step-by-step instructions on how to get started as a delegate. The site is really about how to get started. For meticulous details, go to green papers.
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In the MAJORITY OF STATES with straight primaries with the majority of elected delegates, there are no precinct elections listed as the first step.
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The site uses the term "delegate" indiscriminately for "state convention/caucus delegate" and national nominating convention "delegate" and consistently fails to use the correct legal term "delegate candidate." I have been to a few Republican conventions, I was first a "delegate candidate" for Forbes in 1996, I was the volunteer DC Ballot Access Coordinator for Ron Paul, put together his slate of "delegate candidates" and "alternate delegate candidates" this year (we filed Friday).
To be a national nominating convention "delegate candidate" here (and other "states") one has to file a notarized "Declaration of Candidacy" with the DC Board of Elections and Ethics. The members of the slate of "delegate candidates" were chosen by me for the Paul campaign. The voters, contrary to Anson's site, chose the "delegates" from among the competing slates of "delegate candidates" (and alternates) representing the various competing candidates.
In short, I do know what I'm talking about. The campaign legal counsel Joe Becker, a friend with whom I used to work in the Paul Congressional office, and I have talked about the site. Joe agrees with me. Joe has, when I've brought specifics up with him, got Anson (who has no experience with these processes) to take off the most offending parts of his site that he had previously publicly claimed Becker endorsed (Anson claimed this in emails to the RP Meetup organizers email list, repeatedly).
On that list, organizers for Paul from several states who are responsible for this process for the Paul campaign and who know what they're doing have publicly critiqued Anson's site as faulty and counter-productive to their responsibilities to get delegates for Dr. Paul.
Because Anson thinks he understands the Texas process (though there is better information provided on this site), he confuses that hybrid primary/caucus/convention process as similar to the straight primary states (where there is no caucus or convention).
His site for the longest time (until Joe told him to take it off per my request), urged everyone to hide their support for Dr. Paul. This is what I criticized as his "stealth" campaign. He misunderstood Devvy Kidd's article where she was talking about possibly being presidential electors to the Electoral College and mistakenly thought she meant "delegate candidates" to the national nominating convention.
You can see an exchange Anson and I had debating the factual errors of his site here:
http://www.ronpaulforum.com/showthread.php?t=183
(Anson is "InterPaul" on this site). Specifically this post:
http://www.ronpaulforum.com/showpost...66&postcount=4
His cite specifically urged electoral fraud before I got Joe Becker to get him to take it off. He does not understand how "delegates" are legally bound (state rules vary considerably).
His site continues to urge become to "become a delegate" in his state specific subfora even after the deadlines have passed. It does NOT, as his site claims, all start at the precinct level in primary states (Texas' misunderstood hybrid notwithstanding). Urging everyone in primary states to get involved in the precinct elections (often where none exist) as part of the process to choose the national nominating convention delegates is FALSE in nearly all states.
Contrast his site with the RNC information and good information on the state specific sites in this forum here:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=132
In short, my understanding is from having been a paid political campaign professional responsible for this exact function for the two Forbes for President campaigns in Ohio and as the DC ballot organizer for Ron Paul this year, having been a "delegate candidate" to the national nominating convention as far back as 1996 and currently. Because I understand the processes, I've gone to several Republican nominating conventions, they're a lot of fun.
Follow the good advice on RonPaulForums.com and get involved.
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To be a national nominating convention "delegate candidate" here (and other "states") one has to file a notarized "Declaration of Candidacy" with the DC Board of Elections and Ethics. The members of the slate of "delegate candidates" were chosen by me for the Paul campaign. The voters, contrary to Anson's site, chose the "delegates" from among the competing slates of "delegate candidates" (and alternates) representing the various competing candidates.
In short, I do know what I'm talking about. The campaign legal counsel Joe Becker, a friend with whom I used to work in the Paul Congressional office, and I have talked about the site. Joe agrees with me. Joe has, when I've brought specifics up with him, got Anson (who has no experience with these processes) to take off the most offending parts of his site that he had previously publicly claimed Becker endorsed (Anson claimed this in emails to the RP Meetup organizers email list, repeatedly).
On that list, organizers for Paul from several states who are responsible for this process for the Paul campaign and who know what they're doing have publicly critiqued Anson's site as faulty and counter-productive to their responsibilities to get delegates for Dr. Paul.
Because Anson thinks he understands the Texas process (though there is better information provided on this site), he confuses that hybrid primary/caucus/convention process as similar to the straight primary states (where there is no caucus or convention).
His site for the longest time (until Joe told him to take it off per my request), urged everyone to hide their support for Dr. Paul. This is what I criticized as his "stealth" campaign. He misunderstood Devvy Kidd's article where she was talking about possibly being presidential electors to the Electoral College and mistakenly thought she meant "delegate candidates" to the national nominating convention.
You can see an exchange Anson and I had debating the factual errors of his site here:
http://www.ronpaulforum.com/showthread.php?t=183
(Anson is "InterPaul" on this site). Specifically this post:
http://www.ronpaulforum.com/showpost...66&postcount=4
His cite specifically urged electoral fraud before I got Joe Becker to get him to take it off. He does not understand how "delegates" are legally bound (state rules vary considerably).
His site continues to urge become to "become a delegate" in his state specific subfora even after the deadlines have passed. It does NOT, as his site claims, all start at the precinct level in primary states (Texas' misunderstood hybrid notwithstanding). Urging everyone in primary states to get involved in the precinct elections (often where none exist) as part of the process to choose the national nominating convention delegates is FALSE in nearly all states.
Contrast his site with the RNC information and good information on the state specific sites in this forum here:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=132
In short, my understanding is from having been a paid political campaign professional responsible for this exact function for the two Forbes for President campaigns in Ohio and as the DC ballot organizer for Ron Paul this year, having been a "delegate candidate" to the national nominating convention as far back as 1996 and currently. Because I understand the processes, I've gone to several Republican nominating conventions, they're a lot of fun.
Follow the good advice on RonPaulForums.com and get involved.
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