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Banks ADMIT They'll Keep on Hoarding Cash

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http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2008/10/even-banks-admit-theyll-keep-on.html

Many people (including me) have been warning that the banks will keep hoarding cash no matter how much money the feds give them.

Now, even the banks themselves are admitting it.

As the New York Times writes in an article entitled "Banks Are Likely to Hold Tight to Bailout Money":

"Will lenders deploy their new-found capital quickly, as the Treasury hopes, and unlock the flow of credit through the economy? Or will they hoard the money to protect themselves?

John A. Thain, the chief executive of Merrill Lynch, said on Thursday that banks were unlikely to act swiftly. Executives at other banks privately expressed a similar view.

'We will have the opportunity to redeploy that,' Mr. Thain said of the new capital on a telephone call with analysts. 'But at least for the next quarter, it’s just going to be a cushion.'

***

Lenders have been pulling back on credit lines for businesses, mortgages, home equity loans and credit card offers, and analysts said that trend was unlikely to be reversed by the government’s money.

Roger Freeman, an analyst at Barclays Capital, which acquired parts of the now-bankrupt Lehman Brothers last month [said] 'My expectation is it’s quarters off, not months off, before you see that capital being put to work.' ”

And another Times article includes the following quote:

“It doesn’t matter how much Hank Paulson gives us,” said an influential senior official at a big bank that received money from the government, “no one is going to lend a nickel until the economy turns.” The official added: “Who are we going to lend money to?” before repeating an old saw about banking: “Only people who don’t need it.”

"The banks are going to sit on the cash, not loan it out. So can everyone please stop saying that the bailouts were necessary to increase liquidity?"
 
Ahh yes John Thain.
I will believe whatever he says....NOT!

Interesting article though.
Thanks for posting.
 
American Morons keep voting these same Corporate/Lobbyists Whores in Washington DC.

When will they wise-up... or are we the land of the IGNORANT forever?
 
American Morons keep voting these same Corporate/Lobbyists Whores in Washington DC.

When will they wise-up... or are we the land of the IGNORANT forever?

As long as ABCNNBCBSFOX keeps everyone in a stupid naive bubble with crap like Dancing with the Stars, American Idol, etc...the public will remain ignorant.

It's all part of the plan. I can't stand to watch any of that mindless drivel. Deal or no Deal...spare me.
 
never underestimate the American consumer. Once we let them borrow another 200k to spend on home entertainment systems at Best Buy, we won't be in recession anymore.
 
Rumors October 7th, 2008:

GM may unload RenCen for the cash - Autoblog
GM (sorta) denies seeking $5 billion direct loan from feds to stay afloat (2 ... Platts Cellulosic Ethanol Conference - DOE and USDA discuss bioenergy ...
autoblog.com/.../buy-high-sell-low-gm-may-unload-rencen-for-the-cash - 94k - Cached

TODAY 10/27/08:

Here it is... More Taxpayer BAILOUT for General Motors Garbage Automotive corporation.

Energy Dept. trying to free up $5 billion for GM: Wall Street Journal

By Wallace Witkowski
Last update: 5:22 p.m. EDT Oct. 27, 2008
Comments: 9
SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- The Department of Energy(DOE) is working to release $5 billion in funds to General Motors Corp. (GM:

5.45, -0.50, -8.4%)

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/energy-dept-trying-free-up/story.aspx?guid=%7BA8CD78A4-F2A9-40AE-9777-57F0D084C3E5%7D&dist=hplatest
The Wall Street Journal reported late Monday, citing to a source familiar with the matter. The funds are from $25 billion in loans cleared by Congress to U.S. automakers. The Energy Department's help in freeing up the money is seen to ease a potential merger between GM and Chrysler LLC, according to the Journal.

Corporate WELFARE~!

Does anyone else think that GM has given up on what it's supposed to do and is now just a welfare junkie? Time for cold turkey and not a penny of taxpayers' money should be wasted on them. Put GM in Chapter 11, kick out Wagoner and co; then get Warren Buffett to put his money where his mouth is and install a board that knows how to run a car company.

Our tax dollars have been bailing out the big three since I was a kid, and I'm old. It's ironic, the government wants to bail out GM, while GM offshores more and more American jobs. Oh well, what else is new here.

That's awesome... then GM can survive another 5 months before they're back into the exact spot they're in now. This money that was intended to subsidize programs to develop hybrids and electric cars will now go towards buying out Chrysler. After the merger they will be "too big to fail" and require a far larger gift from the taxpayers which our elected "representatives" will all too willingly give.
 
Actually, Buffet rarely, if ever, makes significant management changes to the corporations he invests in.
 
Can't the gov't just vote out the board of directors since they are now such large stakeholders?
 
Here's another related story from a GOP House member's site:
http://latourette.house.gov/NewsRoom.aspx?FormMode=Detail&ID=115


Did Comptroller Steer Bailout money to his former Client, PNC?


U.S. Rep. Steven C. LaTourette (R-OH) says he fears that John Dugan, Comptroller of the Currency, steered $7.7 billion of taxpayer bailout money to his former client, PNC, so it could buy National City Bank.

LaTourette today sent a letter to Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson outlining his concerns and asking for an investigation. He also asked House Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank (D-MA) to hold a hearing on the Fed’s decision to have one regional bank (PNC) gobble up regional bank (National City) using bailout money. LaTourette is a senior member of the Financial Services panel.

The Pittsburgh-based PNC, which bought National City on Friday at a fire-sale price with federal bailout money, was one of Dugan’s clients just before he was sworn in as Comptroller of the Currency in August 2005, LaTourette said. Prior to becoming Comptroller, Dugan was a partner at Covington and Burling, a DC law firm that specializes in banking regulation.

“I am very concerned that the Comptroller first deprived bailout money to National City Bank and then orchestrated its sale to his former client, PNC. The officials at PNC have made it very clear that they were only able to buy National City because they got a $7.7 billion handout from the government,” LaTourette said.

The federal infusion of cash for PNC marked the very first time that the Treasury has taken an equity stake in a regional bank. On October 14, Treasury announced it was using up to $250 billion of federal bailout money to take an equity stake in 9 banks, including $10 billion for Goldman Sachs, the former employer of Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson. LaTourette said no regional banks, including National City, were included in this first round of bailouts for banks, even though National City was the seventh largest bank in the nation and was interested in pursuing bailout funding.

On Friday, PNC became the first regional bank to be propped up with government help, and that $7.7 billion infusion allowed PNC to buy National City Bank. About a week before National City was forced to sell itself to PNC, OCC head Dugan told the head of National City Bank, Peter Raskind, that it shouldn’t expect to get a slice of the $250 billion being pumped into banks. LaTourette said the Wall Street Journal reported that Dugan was “heavily involved” in the sale of National City to PNC, and that Dugan was “pushing for a deal by (last) Friday.”

“By all accounts, this sale was being forced onto National City by federal regulators,” LaTourette said. “This was supposed be a $700 billion rescue package, and instead it’s being used to kill a Cleveland bank and kill local jobs. This is what happens when you have chickens guarding the hen house.”

The Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, or OCC, is the nations’ primary banking regulator. It operates under the Department of Treasury.

LaTourette, who opposed the $700 billion bailout, said he was concerned all along that “someone could play God” and decide which troubled assets to purchase.

“It’s very clear that the Treasury and the OCC are hand-picking winners and losers, and National City came out on the losing end. I think it’s entirely fair to pose the question about whether PNC got favorable treatment because of their relationship with the nation’s top banking regulator,” LaTourette said. “Some may argue that National City was already gravely ill, but make no mistake, Paulson and Dugan put the nail in the coffin.”

LaTourette said National City’s stock was at about $5 a share when word of possible bailout package began circulating. A rough draft of the $700 billion bailout was unveiled on September 28, a Sunday. The next day, National City’s stock plunged 63 percent and closed at $1.36 a share. The stock has since rebounded to just over $2 a share.

LaTourette said he is also concerned that Paulson and Dugan may have violated the rules of the troubled asset program contained in the $700 billion bailout. LaTourette said he believes PNC was only eligible to receive an amount of bailout money equal to 3 percent of its risk-weighted assets, but the $7.7 billion bailout for PNC is closer to 6 percent. LaTourette said the bailout law stipulates that Treasury can purchase a maximum of 3 percent of a bank’s risk-weighted assets under the program rules. LaTourette said some assets are deemed riskier than others and must be backed by more capital, so they are risk-weighted.
 
Rumors October 7th, 2008:

GM may unload RenCen for the cash - Autoblog
GM (sorta) denies seeking $5 billion direct loan from feds to stay afloat (2 ... Platts Cellulosic Ethanol Conference - DOE and USDA discuss bioenergy ...
autoblog.com/.../buy-high-sell-low-gm-may-unload-rencen-for-the-cash - 94k - Cached

TODAY 10/27/08:

Here it is... More Taxpayer BAILOUT for General Motors Garbage Automotive corporation.

Energy Dept. trying to free up $5 billion for GM: Wall Street Journal

By Wallace Witkowski
Last update: 5:22 p.m. EDT Oct. 27, 2008
Comments: 9
SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- The Department of Energy(DOE) is working to release $5 billion in funds to General Motors Corp. (GM:

5.45, -0.50, -8.4%)

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/energy-dept-trying-free-up/story.aspx?guid=%7BA8CD78A4-F2A9-40AE-9777-57F0D084C3E5%7D&dist=hplatest
The Wall Street Journal reported late Monday, citing to a source familiar with the matter. The funds are from $25 billion in loans cleared by Congress to U.S. automakers. The Energy Department's help in freeing up the money is seen to ease a potential merger between GM and Chrysler LLC, according to the Journal.

Corporate WELFARE~!

Does anyone else think that GM has given up on what it's supposed to do and is now just a welfare junkie? Time for cold turkey and not a penny of taxpayers' money should be wasted on them. Put GM in Chapter 11, kick out Wagoner and co; then get Warren Buffett to put his money where his mouth is and install a board that knows how to run a car company.

Our tax dollars have been bailing out the big three since I was a kid, and I'm old. It's ironic, the government wants to bail out GM, while GM offshores more and more American jobs. Oh well, what else is new here.

That's awesome... then GM can survive another 5 months before they're back into the exact spot they're in now. This money that was intended to subsidize programs to develop hybrids and electric cars will now go towards buying out Chrysler. After the merger they will be "too big to fail" and require a far larger gift from the taxpayers which our elected "representatives" will all too willingly give.

All GM would have to do to get out of their rut is merge with Tesla Motors. They have developed a REAL electric car that can go 200 miles without a charge and go from 0-60 in 4 seconds. Remove the Lotus Chassis and put in a cheaper GM chassis of some kind.

But just like "who killed the electric car" tells us...the suppression is planned.
 
All GM would have to do to get out of their rut is merge with Tesla Motors. They have developed a REAL electric car that can go 200 miles without a charge and go from 0-60 in 4 seconds. Remove the Lotus Chassis and put in a cheaper GM chassis of some kind.

But just like "who killed the electric car" tells us...the suppression is planned.

Aren't the TESLA's $100K each? Since the only electric flimsy Chevy VOLT is more than 2 years away, makes ABSOLUTE SENSE, the factories are ready for robotic retooling(hell 75% are VACANT and READY to be filled, and mass production will drop the price per unit, dramatically!

BUT....

Here's where the CORPORATE WELFARE system WILL STAY on WELFARE until the FREE TAXPAYER Money dries up. GM, Chrysler will bilk it for 10's of BILLIONS more. Damn, the U.S. GOVERNMENT has truly SCREWED-UP EVERYTHING NOW.

This is absolute BULLSHYT! Only way to stop the collusion, is to stop paying taxes, because Colluding Corporate Government are OUT of CONTROL.
 
Aren't the TESLA's $100K each? Since the only electric flimsy Chevy VOLT is more than 2 years away, makes ABSOLUTE SENSE, the factories are ready for robotic retooling(hell 75% are VACANT and READY to be filled, and mass production will drop the price per unit, dramatically!

BUT....

Here's where the CORPORATE WELFARE system WILL STAY on WELFARE until the FREE TAXPAYER Money dries up. GM, Chrysler will bilk it for 10's of BILLIONS more. Damn, the U.S. GOVERNMENT has truly SCREWED-UP EVERYTHING NOW.

This is absolute BULLSHYT! Only way to stop the collusion, is to stop paying taxes, because Colluding Corporate Government are OUT of CONTROL.

The Lotus Chassis I think contributes a great deal to the $100K. Tesla has plans for the $50K WhiteStar by 2010 & the BlueStar, $20K, sometime after 2011. Pairing up with GM would probably quadruple that timeframe.

The Volt is a joke and it won't get out of concept. It's just so GM looks like they are doing...something. Look how much they are cramming into it...Regular gas, E85, Electric, Hydrogen. So much stuff to ensure it'll never see the light of day. GM had a real Electric car in 1996 already...the EV1. And they killed that on purpose. It was only made because they had to appease a CA law back then...once they got that law overturned they didn't give two shits about the EV1. Buried perfectly good cars in the desert.
 
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At least until they want another 700 BILLION or so. :p :rolleyes:

Yeap... need enough cash to buy-up Regional and local banks and be BIGGER than EVER. We must get to the point of too big to fail.

OR

Just bribe the FEDERAL RESERVE, US TREASURY, FDIC and the rest of the Market Manipulators and colluding team.


Did you hear... hey GM/Chrysler want $10 BILLION to MERGE

That's $25 BILLION + $5 BILION + $10 BILLION = $40 BILLION to make a TOO BIG to FAIL auto manufacturer with the people's money.

ALERT, ALERT, ALERT!
PNC Financial Services Group Inc. said it had received $7.7 billion in cash through selling stock to the U.S. Government under the BAILOUT program. PNC then said it planned to buy National City Corp. for $5.58 billion.

Glad to see the TAXPAYERS money being put to GREAT USE of BANKS USING the TAXPAYERS to GROW their own businesses bigger. :rolleyes:
 
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