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At the risk of being called a troll....

like ron paul has been saying... a third party candidate doesn't really stand a chance at winning. i think he's still better off remaining in the campaign and taking his chances at the republican nomination.

there's always the chance that McCain becomes sick or dies... he is pretty old and doesn't look all that healthy. all that has to happen is that he gets really sick at some point before the convention... enough to convince people he's not healthy enough to be president. from a gambler's perspective, this is still our best bet. if we go ahead and declare a third party nomination, ron paul couldn't really be considered for the republican nomination if McCain drops out. who knows, maybe McCain will think that the surge is working and try to take another stroll though a Baghdad market or something.

If for whatever reason McCain has to drop out of the race... it would be down to Ron Paul, Romney and Huck... at which time, we can organize the troops and have a massive grassroots effort to show that Ron Paul has the support to be the nomination.

and besides, it's not up to us anyways... it's up to ron paul... and he's been very clear about his stance on this issue... and i personally think he's doing everything right so far.
 
That was the plan all along, they got the most centrist guy that still wants to kill arabs, mccain, and they are hoping to pick up big goverment disaffected democrats because mccain likes all of the things they like. Taxes, illegal immigration, imperialism.
 
how is it... that out of 350 million people... our choices for top office of the land ends up a "three way race of douche bags"?
 
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It seems the Dems are in a tailspin. Apparently, if their candidate doesn't win, 1 in 5 claim they will vote for McCain.

Given the choice of Ron Paul as an independent candidate, do you think any of them would vote for Ron? There is a lot of support in the blogosphere for Ron Paul out there....

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=/Politics/archive/200803/POL20080321a.html

I think that if Clinton is the democratic nominee the democrats will have lost the black vote as it will stink to high heaven of white liberal racism that took Obama down. I think more clinton voters will vote for Obama than vice versa.
The clintons are pulling out every dirty trick in the book to win this thing and it is very apparent. Isn't it funny that as soon as Clinton complained about unfair media coverage the flood gates of bad press opened up on Obama. All of this stuff coming out now has been known a long time about Obama.
I don't know but if you have 20 percent of the conservative voters hating McCain and 20 percent of the democratic voters hating Clinton, that adds up to a lot of general election votes. Maybe:D
 
it is hard to say what voters would really do given a certain situation.

It is already hard enough to find a rational argument for voters picking McCain over Ron Paul (especially if 70% of American's want out of the war and they can see our economic meltdown that Ron Paul has been predicting for years happening in front of their face).

Our traditional reason we most often come back to is: "people just didn't know about Ron Paul and were either misinformed, too lazy to educate themselves, too stubborn to listen, or were brainwashed by the media."

There are just so many dynamics that go into it. Am I the only one who feels that McCain has all of these "votes" yet few actual supporters? Everywhere you look people hate McCain. Maybe it is Huck and Romney supporters that feel tricked since they often voted for their man because they DIDN'T want to vote for McCain, only to then find their candidate turn around and endorse the guy like good little Republican puppets.

Is it possible that 20 - 30% of Republicans would vote for someone other than McCain if given a reasonable candidate to rally behind? Yes, it's possible, but hard to really predict. It is also important to remember that there are MANY MANY people in the U.S. that do not participate in the primaries. It is hard to say what they will do in a General election.

Ron Paul doesn't want to run 3rd party or Independent for several good reasons.
  • He's tried this before and he knows how difficult it is
  • There is often a large challenge to just get on the ballot
  • He may not be invited to a single debate. This will be a slugfest against McCain and Clinton/Obama.
  • His long term goal is to take over and change the Republican party and he may severely damage his standing in the party if he runs 3rd party or Independent
  • Under the same scenario that might make a 3rd party or Independent run viable for Ron Paul... would Bloomberg enter the race?

But there are several good reasons why he SHOULD run too.
  • His Republican primary campaign has already given him some name recognition so he may already be in the minds of many people rather than trying to build that brand from scratch. There are many people that started researching Ron Paul and have joined the cause AFTER their primaries were over. Many others (including friends of mine in California) couldn't vote for Ron Paul because they were registered Independent but they would vote for him in a General election.
  • He has proven that he can raise money and he may be able to raise 2-3 times what he did in the primaries
  • There are a lot of conservative Republicans that DO NOT want to vote for McCain but don't really see another choice. Would they vote for Ron Paul? Possibly.
  • The Democratic party has been polarized. We don't know how this is going to play out though. Would Obama accept a VP slot? Would one of them endorse the other? Would the loser run independent themselves? Given the right scenario, it is possible that many Obama supporters (including a lot of independent voters) could vote for Ron Paul as a second option. But it is hard to say.
  • Though Ron Paul's long term goal is to change the Republican party from within, his "standing" is ALREADY damaged. His own party doesn't like him OR his supporters. WE can still take over the party and work towards that end goal but HE doesn't need to. Realistically, how much longer will his political career be anyway? 5 years? 10 years? Is he going to run for President or Congress at the age of 86? At some point (relatively soon) another person will have to emerge to lead this Movement and THAT person can continue to work within the Republican party, so what can it hurt for Ron Paul to take a chance now?
  • Ron Paul announcing an independent or third party bid would turn this entire political landscape upside down, at time when the media and other campaigns are starting to make some sense of things. RP would throw a wrench in all of their planning. It would re-energize the base and he might raise another 30 million in 3-4 weeks. Ron Paul has the ability to pull independents away from the Democrats and conservatives away from the Republicans.

I've often thought that it would be an awesome political move to FORCE the Republican party and John McCain to keep Ron Paul from running. PUBLICLY ask them to embrace the Conservative Right of the party and bring the party back to its roots or he will be left with no CHOICE but to run against McCain and give Conservatives a choice. :D

Put the ball in their court and FORCE them to make a decision. They will either support the Ron Paul (conservative) platform or publicly alienate half of their party and virtually guarantee a loss in the General election.

Knowing the GOP, they'll probably say something to the affect of "F*CK YOU, we wont be blackmailed". But that move might be all Ron Paul would have needed to galvanize the base around him because it shows all Conservative Republicans that their party really HAS broken away and no longer supports their views.


But though this is fun to talk about, these are all hypothetical situations. We have to listen to Ron Paul. It isn't like he hasn't thought about it. He's even had third party offers and has turned them down. We can't FORCE him to run (as much as many people would like to).
 
Isn't it funny that as soon as Clinton complained about unfair media coverage the flood gates of bad press opened up on Obama. All of this stuff coming out now has been known a long time about Obama.:D

That, and the Clinton closet has more skeletons in it than Obama's ever could! Why doesn't he tell people that she's been convicted of accepting dirty money, for example?

He looks squeaky clean compared to her, but the press is letting her slide, and he isn't opening the conversation.
 
Because our society rewards the wrong behaviors.

No kidding. The "race" between Bush and Gore is what prompted me to go Independent. It's been this way for a long time, far too long.

I'm simply amazed that someone as incredible as Ron Paul actually got some air time, be it minimal. I was 17 when he ran the first time, and I have absolutely no recollection of it, this time I'll never forget.
 
how is it... that out of 350 million people... our choices for top office of the land ends up a "three way race of douche bags"?

Bildebergs

It's not a 3-way, it's a 1-way. There is no two-party system it's all CFR.
 
2/3 of his most diehard supporters want him to run as an INDEPENDENT...important to keep that terminology accurate, as a 3rd party run is a very distant 3rd choice, IMPO.

Again, he has NEVER said he wouldn't do an INDEPENDENT run. Keep being accurate, please.
 
It would be totally ridiculous for an independent candidate not to run this year. I don't recall seeing the two parties so fragmented and weak for a long time. Conservatives and Libertarians from the GOP side are still not swallowing the bitter McCain pill (yet). Meanwhile, the Democratic side could boil over very badly. Obama is damaged goods due to the racial controversy incited recently over his pastor's comments, while a Hillary win would split them down the middle. We also have a very angry country, like 1968 and 1992, which is when independent and third party candidates thrive.

Ron Paul is my number one choice as an independent candidate, though I admit it's looking less and less likely that he'll do it as the days slip by. Without Ron Paul, we need someone who can carry even two-thirds of his issues forward and attack the weakened major parties with a chance of winning. I'm thinking Bob Barr or (less enthusiastically) Jesse Ventura. Who knows, there's always the chance Ron Paul could be drafted into a Vice Presidential slot with one of these men. A VP position would still give him one or two more good national debates to strike, if he runs with Barr or Ventura. Those two have the best shot at polling the 10-15% needed to break into the debates for themselves and their Vice Presidential candidate.

Someone qualified and sensible enough has an obligation to put themselves forward, this year more than any other in recent memory. Even from a purely pragmatic view, an independent run would all but seal McCain's defeat, which is critical if there is any hope of changing the rotting the GOP. If McCain wins, we're screwed, since it validates the neo-con position and guarantees a re-nomination in 2012 for him or his VP. A Ron Paul Republican won't stand a chance, because the Democrats and Republicans will never dump a sitting President, no matter how badly they do.
 
Ron Paul could still be written in. Why not start a campaign to do that?

Not in my state--not allowed. Few people do it, mainly. Works much better to get him on the ballot.

You get enough resistance from the mere lack of a D or R next to the name, without having the name missing altogether.
 
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