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armand61685

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Why is it that your generation in the 60s and early 70s were so effectively anti-war, even to the point of bringing the troops home from Vietnam? What is the difference? I see the iraq war today as the same exact thing, but the Y generation (my gen) isn't doing much and isn't going crazy over globalism and war. Is it because the Vietnam war was that much worse?

It doesn't matter if you were a part of the flower hippie movement back then, but I'm sure you had some friends that were.

I'm just disappointed with the numbness of society today.
 
1. The Vietnam war followed the brutal murder of Kennedy. Love him or hate him, none of us believed he deserved to be murdered while sitting next to his wife, and none of us bought the Oswald did it with a Manlicher Carcano bolt action POS.

2. We grew up with very little compared to the young people of today. We had no video games. We had only 3 channels and PBS on TV. We had no computers or the internet. We had no cell phones. No VHS.

3. We were raised by parents who grew up during the Great Depression and fought in WWII and/or Korea. War propaganda was EVERYWHERE in Hollywood, radio and TV. Stories of surviving the depression were part of everyday life.

4. We were forced to dress the same, tuck in our shirt tails, raise our hand to speak, never question authority, have our hair cut at the same barber shop, mind our manners, do as we were told and no back talk.

5. We were pissed off that our parents did nothing about the President's murder. We were pissed off that Johnson escalated the war under false pretenses. We were especially pissed off that we had to face the war, whether we were for it or against it, because there was a draft. We were pissed off that the excuse, The Domino Theory, was a childish bucket of crapola that no one with half a brain ever bought.

6. With many less options and distractions, we were very well read. We hung out together and exchanged ideas, face to face. We had a common enemy, and we were hip to their bullshit. We knew that the CIA was nothing more than a corporate goon squad that fomented wars and overthrew 'unfriendly' governments for Exxon.

7. Our dissent grew and our motto became 'hell no, we won't go'.

8. At the same time, blacks had had enough of living in squalor, being lynched, being denied opportunities and being denied the right to vote.

It all came to a head as the establishment continued to murder or attempt to murder, or imprison our leaders. Bobby Kennedy, Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, Medgar Evers, George Wallace, etc. The FBI spent most of it's resources wiretapping, infiltrating and harassing American citizens.

You had the part of us who were brainwashed by the Leave It To Beaver and John Wayne images who joined up to fight in Vietnam, who willingly joined the establishment. Then you had those of us who revolted against that brainwash and you had pissed off blacks.

We weren't about to let the hypocrites who were shoveling Freedom and Democracy while they illegally invaded Vietnam and killed millions of innocents abroad and at the same time practiced slavery through the draft and denied blacks the right to vote, all the while killing our leaders and unleashing hell on our demonstrations, herd us into their bidding without a fight.

It came to a head when the Ohio National Guard fired live rounds into a crowd of demonstrators at Kent State, killing four teenage citizens.

Still, the bottom line is that despite our huge and many times violent protests, despite the fact that 76% of Americans wanted out of Vietnam, we pressured Johnson daily, making him a prisoner in the White House, to the point that he refused to run for a second term, we burned cities to the ground, stopped colleges from functioning at all and many other things...we stayed in Vietnam for 10 years. 10 years!

Afterward, they took the dollar off the Bretton-Woods gold standard, caused unprecedented inflation/recession cycles, faked oil shortages that drove the price from $1.40 to $40, successfully tied the dollar to oil and proceeded to run up $9 trillion in debt, loot the SS Trust Fund into insolvency, etc., etc., etc.

The powers that be proceed with their plans while we bang heads in the trenches with the grunts. They are never mentioned, let alone caught and convicted. The Fed is at the bottom of the list of polled Americans as to who or what are the root causes of our economic woes, while they ARE the root cause.

It certainly would have been nice to see the young people rally behind RP instead of Obama. It breaks my heart.

Bosso
 
Why is it that your generation in the 60s and early 70s were so effectively anti-war, even to the point of bringing the troops home from Vietnam? What is the difference? I see the iraq war today as the same exact thing, but the Y generation (my gen) isn't doing much and isn't going crazy over globalism and war. Is it because the Vietnam war was that much worse?

It doesn't matter if you were a part of the flower hippie movement back then, but I'm sure you had some friends that were.

I'm just disappointed with the numbness of society today.

The Y generation has never seen a draft. As soon as the swooning asshats put Obama Hussein into office, you will see a draft and it will include the swooning idot girls that put him there. They will drag their silly butts over to Iraq and blow their heads off.

The boys that died in Nam had no choice but to go. The anti-war hippies, like the Rainbow people got their asses out of the house and into the streets and took it back. Something we just can't bring ourselves to do today.
 
1. The Vietnam war followed the brutal murder of Kennedy. Love him or hate him, none of us believed he deserved to be murdered while sitting next to his wife, and none of us bought the Oswald did it with a Manlicher Carcano bolt action POS.

2. We grew up with very little compared to the young people of today. We had no video games. We had only 3 channels and PBS on TV. We had no computers or the internet. We had no cell phones. No VHS.

3. We were raised by parents who grew up during the Great Depression and fought in WWII and/or Korea. War propaganda was EVERYWHERE in Hollywood, radio and TV. Stories of surviving the depression were part of everyday life.

4. We were forced to dress the same, tuck in our shirt tails, raise our hand to speak, never question authority, have our hair cut at the same barber shop, mind our manners, do as we were told and no back talk.

5. We were pissed off that our parents did nothing about the President's murder. We were pissed off that Johnson escalated the war under false pretenses. We were especially pissed off that we had to face the war, whether we were for it or against it, because there was a draft. We were pissed off that the excuse, The Domino Theory, was a childish bucket of crapola that no one with half a brain ever bought.

6. With many less options and distractions, we were very well read. We hung out together and exchanged ideas, face to face. We had a common enemy, and we were hip to their bullshit. We knew that the CIA was nothing more than a corporate goon squad that fomented wars and overthrew 'unfriendly' governments for Exxon.

7. Our dissent grew and our motto became 'hell no, we won't go'.

8. At the same time, blacks had had enough of living in squalor, being lynched, being denied opportunities and being denied the right to vote.

It all came to a head as the establishment continued to murder or attempt to murder, or imprison our leaders. Bobby Kennedy, Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, Medgar Evers, George Wallace, etc. The FBI spent most of it's resources wiretapping, infiltrating and harassing American citizens.

You had the part of us who were brainwashed by the Leave It To Beaver and John Wayne images who joined up to fight in Vietnam, who willingly joined the establishment. Then you had those of us who revolted against that brainwash and you had pissed off blacks.

We weren't about to let the hypocrites who were shoveling Freedom and Democracy while they illegally invaded Vietnam and killed millions of innocents abroad and at the same time practiced slavery through the draft and denied blacks the right to vote, all the while killing our leaders and unleashing hell on our demonstrations, herd us into their bidding without a fight.

It came to a head when the Ohio National Guard fired live rounds into a crowd of demonstrators at Kent State, killing four teenage citizens.

Still, the bottom line is that despite our huge and many times violent protests, despite the fact that 76% of Americans wanted out of Vietnam, we pressured Johnson daily, making him a prisoner in the White House, to the point that he refused to run for a second term, we burned cities to the ground, stopped colleges from functioning at all and many other things...we stayed in Vietnam for 10 years. 10 years!

Afterward, they took the dollar off the Bretton-Woods gold standard, caused unprecedented inflation/recession cycles, faked oil shortages that drove the price from $1.40 to $40, successfully tied the dollar to oil and proceeded to run up $9 trillion in debt, loot the SS Trust Fund into insolvency, etc., etc., etc.

The powers that be proceed with their plans while we bang heads in the trenches with the grunts. They are never mentioned, let alone caught and convicted. The Fed is at the bottom of the list of polled Americans as to who or what are the root causes of our economic woes, while they ARE the root cause.

It certainly would have been nice to see the young people rally behind RP instead of Obama. It breaks my heart.

Bosso

WOW! That was a great summary.

But note that the bottom line is that everything that happened still didn't end the war. That came much later.
 
Slightly off topic-

On that 70's show, Hyde said that the three branches of government were the military, cooperate and Hollywood.

I love Hyde.
 
Why is it that your generation in the 60s and early 70s were so effectively anti-war, even to the point of bringing the troops home from Vietnam? What is the difference? I see the iraq war today as the same exact thing, but the Y generation (my gen) isn't doing much and isn't going crazy over globalism and war. Is it because the Vietnam war was that much worse?

It doesn't matter if you were a part of the flower hippie movement back then, but I'm sure you had some friends that were.

I'm just disappointed with the numbness of society today.

There was a draft so you HAD to go.
 
The people in charge know it was the draft that drove the huge anti war effort in the 60's and 70's and that is exactly why they are forcing the whole burden of this war on the shoulders of the same servicemen. If you make the same 300,000 keep going over and over it doesn't spread the anger into more families. Our servicemen and women have seen more combat that any other servicemen of all time.
 
Thanks, BossoBass, you did a great job. :)

On a related note, THIS is why I get so pissed off at the young ones on here that blame everything on the "old people."

Sure, most of our generation was co-opted, but look at the youth vote Obama's getting. Until you've stood across the line from a National Guardsman, probably a neighbor, who's "cocked & locked" and looking for an excuse to put you six feet under for protesting an unjust war, you will have NO IDEA what we went through, or the struggle we're facing in the near future.

Some of us have "been there, done that, and bought the teeshirt," yet you think all we have to contribute is our stupid votes for McCain.
 
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Bosso, what a load of unadulterated crap. The anarchy loving hippies and their terrorist black panther friends are what destroyed America. They decided that the rule of law wasn't to their self centered drugged up likeing. They prefered to get stoned, screw and blow up and kill innocent american citizens to actually working and respecting the rights of others. They just loved to linger around air ports so they could spit on our returning servicemen. It must have made them feel so cool. These same hippies and lawless young punks became the liberals of today. Seen any pictures of the Clintons in their youth? Check them out. So cool with their fros and bell bottoms. Of course Bill was the consumate draft dodger like so many of his kind. Although he went a little further than most by actually going to and living in a communist country for awhile. The rest of the hippie types just co-opted the communist trappings. Such as communal living, sharing everything and everyone and of course they all expected the rest of the world to support them. They became the useless generation that thinks government should provide for everyones needs for free. They started the welfare give away that is ongoing today. Don't believe me ? Look up and learn. I lived through it so I'm well versed in what happened.
 
Why is it that your generation in the 60s and early 70s were so effectively anti-war, even to the point of bringing the troops home from Vietnam? What is the difference? I see the iraq war today as the same exact thing, but the Y generation (my gen) isn't doing much and isn't going crazy over globalism and war. Is it because the Vietnam war was that much worse?

It doesn't matter if you were a part of the flower hippie movement back then, but I'm sure you had some friends that were.

I'm just disappointed with the numbness of society today.

Differences:

1. The Draft (most people don't take action until it threatens them personally and immediately).
2. Not as many American lives lost in Iraq.

Similarity:

Anti-war movement didn't really end Vietnam. It ended under it's own pointless and crushing weight. About the same as how Iraq will end.
 
Bosso, what a load of unadulterated crap. The anarchy loving hippies and their terrorist black panther friends are what destroyed America. They decided that the rule of law wasn't to their self centered drugged up likeing. They prefered to get stoned, screw and blow up and kill innocent american citizens to actually working and respecting the rights of others. They just loved to linger around air ports so they could spit on our returning servicemen. It must have made them feel so cool. These same hippies and lawless young punks became the liberals of today. Seen any pictures of the Clintons in their youth? Check them out. So cool with their fros and bell bottoms. Of course Bill was the consumate draft dodger like so many of his kind. Although he went a little further than most by actually going to and living in a communist country for awhile. The rest of the hippie types just co-opted the communist trappings. Such as communal living, sharing everything and everyone and of course they all expected the rest of the world to support them. They became the useless generation that thinks government should provide for everyones needs for free. They started the welfare give away that is ongoing today. Don't believe me ? Look up and learn. I lived through it so I'm well versed in what happened.

Who brainwashed you? We did not have a say in what happened back in the 60’s just like you do not have a say in what is happening now! Get a clue and stop reading all the propaganda. Some of the younger people here blame the boomers for what is happening now; as Ron Paul has said this has been building up for 100 years. They railroaded us just like what they are continuing to do to you ‘Y’ gen’ers. We have been trying to tell you this is the fight of your lives going up against the establishment, but some of you thought it would be a walk in the park. We dropped out because we were not powerful enough to stop them. We are still here joining with you now to continue the effort! If you say you lived through it -- you must have been wecked!
 
Bosso, what a load of unadulterated crap. The anarchy loving hippies and their terrorist black panther friends are what destroyed America. They decided that the rule of law wasn't to their self centered drugged up likeing. They prefered to get stoned, screw and blow up and kill innocent american citizens to actually working and respecting the rights of others. They just loved to linger around air ports so they could spit on our returning servicemen. It must have made them feel so cool. These same hippies and lawless young punks became the liberals of today. Seen any pictures of the Clintons in their youth? Check them out. So cool with their fros and bell bottoms. Of course Bill was the consumate draft dodger like so many of his kind. Although he went a little further than most by actually going to and living in a communist country for awhile. The rest of the hippie types just co-opted the communist trappings. Such as communal living, sharing everything and everyone and of course they all expected the rest of the world to support them. They became the useless generation that thinks government should provide for everyones needs for free. They started the welfare give away that is ongoing today. Don't believe me ? Look up and learn. I lived through it so I'm well versed in what happened.

I think that the communal living was a byproduct of their student activism and togetherness. It was a different world for them, IMO.

Regardless, how could you argue with their draft-dodging? Everything the anti-war folks in the 60s supported (peace and civil liberties) is what we would support now, save for socialism.
 
Bosso, what a load of unadulterated crap. The anarchy loving hippies and their terrorist black panther friends are what destroyed America. They decided that the rule of law wasn't to their self centered drugged up likeing. They prefered to get stoned, screw and blow up and kill innocent american citizens to actually working and respecting the rights of others. They just loved to linger around air ports so they could spit on our returning servicemen. It must have made them feel so cool. These same hippies and lawless young punks became the liberals of today. Seen any pictures of the Clintons in their youth? Check them out. So cool with their fros and bell bottoms. Of course Bill was the consumate draft dodger like so many of his kind. Although he went a little further than most by actually going to and living in a communist country for awhile. The rest of the hippie types just co-opted the communist trappings. Such as communal living, sharing everything and everyone and of course they all expected the rest of the world to support them. They became the useless generation that thinks government should provide for everyones needs for free. They started the welfare give away that is ongoing today. Don't believe me ? Look up and learn. I lived through it so I'm well versed in what happened.

Could not have said it better myself. Screw the baby boomers, the greatest generation unfortunately gave birth to the worst one. I hope mine is not as dreadful.
 
Bosso, what a load of unadulterated crap. The anarchy loving hippies and their terrorist black panther friends are what destroyed America. They decided that the rule of law wasn't to their self centered drugged up likeing. They prefered to get stoned, screw and blow up and kill innocent american citizens to actually working and respecting the rights of others. They just loved to linger around air ports so they could spit on our returning servicemen. It must have made them feel so cool. These same hippies and lawless young punks became the liberals of today. Seen any pictures of the Clintons in their youth? Check them out. So cool with their fros and bell bottoms. Of course Bill was the consumate draft dodger like so many of his kind. Although he went a little further than most by actually going to and living in a communist country for awhile. The rest of the hippie types just co-opted the communist trappings. Such as communal living, sharing everything and everyone and of course they all expected the rest of the world to support them. They became the useless generation that thinks government should provide for everyones needs for free. They started the welfare give away that is ongoing today. Don't believe me ? Look up and learn. I lived through it so I'm well versed in what happened.
< LOL > There are around 78 million boomers. The hippies, druggies and panthers were a submicroscopic percentage of that generation.
 
Bosso, what a load of unadulterated crap. The anarchy loving hippies and their terrorist black panther friends are what destroyed America. They decided that the rule of law wasn't to their self centered drugged up likeing. They prefered to get stoned, screw and blow up and kill innocent american citizens to actually working and respecting the rights of others. They just loved to linger around air ports so they could spit on our returning servicemen. It must have made them feel so cool. These same hippies and lawless young punks became the liberals of today. Seen any pictures of the Clintons in their youth? Check them out. So cool with their fros and bell bottoms. Of course Bill was the consumate draft dodger like so many of his kind. Although he went a little further than most by actually going to and living in a communist country for awhile. The rest of the hippie types just co-opted the communist trappings. Such as communal living, sharing everything and everyone and of course they all expected the rest of the world to support them. They became the useless generation that thinks government should provide for everyones needs for free. They started the welfare give away that is ongoing today. Don't believe me ? Look up and learn. I lived through it so I'm well versed in what happened.

i too lived during those years and must say that i find your analogy much more askew than the one bosso offers.
although each must be taken as only one viewpoint.....in todays world the big difference is communication and that includes t.v., the net, cell phones and newspapers.
the propaganda foisted on the young in school is much slicker than that that was foisted on us "boomers" but in the end it`s still propaganda and those who choose to research and draw their own conclusions will be better for their efforts.
looking to place "blame"?...........look in the mirrior......that goes not only for us "boomers" but for the kids today also.
don`t like todays world?......or your place in it?....... then get off your butt and work to change it;)
 
I was born in 1954 and was most definitely a child of the sixties. The war in Vietnam did finally end, but only after 14 or so years and only after virtually everybody in the entire country couldn't take it anymore. It definitely was a different time - riots in the streets of all major cities, all sorts of crazy stuff. What really amazes me is this - what babyboomers turned into. We are far bigger hand wringers and fretters than our parents ever were. There is virtually nothing we are not hysterical about. It is we baby boomers who brought you such treats as "Zero Tolerance" and political correctness. We treat our kids like fragile pieces of china - I'm just as guilty in some respects. I would be filled with horror if my son ever did a fraction of insane stuff I did. I think the current generation is far more sane than we ever were and look at the mess we will be leaving you to clean up. Honestly, my personal view of my generation is that we are largely a generation of dicks.
 
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