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America: Republic or a Democracy?

FrankRep

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America: Republic or a Democracy?

A large percentage of people think that America is a Democracy, but it's actually a Republic. They are two separate forms of government and with major differences between the two. Learning the differences between these two forms of government is very important. This video explains why:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MW6AKVyi6As
 
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Thanks for that useful, and easy to understand video. I always found the "left-right" political spectrum to be stupid.
 
those words aren't exclusive no matter what the birchers say.
 
trip report
1:10 principalities & kingdoms are totalitarian governments? hahahaha what.
1:25 now that we've redefined the context we're going to say those other folks are wrong with a hand wave
1:30 MAYBE THE ANSWER IS IN THE MIDDLE.
1:40 again lol that they equate monarchy with total complete government power considering the political arrangements of all monarchies ever.
1:50 okay now that they have a spectrum of power from centralized to diffuse it's pretty lol that they consider republics ("rule by law") to be more diffuse than democracies ("rule by many")
2:10 their explanation of monarchy has improved. i am sated for now.
3:00 you see anarchy is mistaken because the greeks said something.
3:10 founding fathers weren't anarchists, mind blown.
3:30 i'm kinda curious just how much crazy violent stock footage was actually taken in an anarchic situation.
3:40 civilized people hiring government. if that isn't a frame setter i don't know what is.
4:20 who the hell is he talking about? the only anarchist terrorist i can think of is nechayev and he was fucking crazy and irrelevant.
4:30 it seems that they are taking footage from cuba to discuss anarchy sliding into oligarchy? p. sure that the revolutionaries weren't ever shy about being marxists so uh.
4:35 lenin piggybacked on anarchic tendencies? what.
4:40 hitler piggybacked on anarchic tendencies? WHAT.
5:00 argument by etymology. i should have guessed when i first read the topic title that this would be an argument by etymology. jesus christ, this is the singularly dumbest way to argue anything. what greek stems the word is made out of doesn't mean shit you crazy hyperprescriptionists.
5:15 democracy is mob rule is valueless lawless anarchy. thanks for your valuable insights john birch society.
5:40 the public thing....THE LAW. ahahahah golden.
5:55 bullshit. http://www.chss.montclair.edu/english/furr/gbi/docs/kingmyth.html
6:20 democracy is mob rule is valueless lawless anarchy. thanks for your valuable insights john birch society.
7:40 after almost eight minutes they're finally dropping references. madison and hamilton basically have the same argument against democracy, that factions of people of a common interest will launch the democracy into a valueless lawless anarchy.

so anyways i guess this is mostly a problem of definition. the birchers understand democracy as something without rules or conventions or values, in which everything is constantly under a popular vote. this definition is impossible (how would that function, practically?). and if we are going by that definition then every historic "democracy" was secretly a republic. from the athenian democracy to the city-states of medieval italy to various non-white people societies, all republics of a sort.
 
while i agree with the idea behind this thread, it should be pointed out that in modern academic political science parlance, republic = representative democracy

they are one in the same...
 
while i agree with the idea behind this thread, it should be pointed out that in modern academic political science parlance, republic = representative democracy

they are one in the same...

"Modern academic science" also pushes the UN, the IMF, the Federal Reserve and global government. And they do that for a reason.

Calling our form of government a Democracy is nothing "modern", foo. I'm a lot older than you and they were pushing the same BS in public schools when I was a child in grade school. The difference is, back then, some of the parents knew what was up and pitched a holy fit at the school board and PTA.

Just like TPTB changed the definition of what "liberalism" meant and it looks like they have also now totally destroyed the name of "conservatism", they've also wanted to totally cloud the type of government we were given in this country and how it differed from others.

Sorry, but this deal with our public servants and media, calling us a Democracy, is one of my pet peeves. We were designed to be a Republic.
 
so anyways i guess this is mostly a problem of definition. the birchers understand democracy as something without rules or conventions or values, in which everything is constantly under a popular vote. this definition is impossible (how would that function, practically?). and if we are going by that definition then every historic "democracy" was secretly a republic. from the athenian democracy to the city-states of medieval italy to various non-white people societies, all republics of a sort.

It's called, majority rule. And yes it stinks. That is why our Founders warned us against it. Are you not aware of that?
 
"Modern academic science" also pushes the UN, the IMF, the Federal Reserve and global government. And they do that for a reason.

Calling our form of government a Democracy is nothing "modern", foo. I'm a lot older than you and they were pushing the same BS in public schools when I was a child in grade school. The difference is, back then, some of the parents knew what was up and pitched a holy fit at the school board and PTA.

Just like TPTB changed the definition of what "liberalism" meant and it looks like they have also now totally destroyed the name of "conservatism", they've also wanted to totally cloud the type of government we were given in this country and how it differed from others.

Sorry, but this deal with our public servants and media, calling us a Democracy, is one of my pet peeves. We were designed to be a Republic.

You miss my point, and that is only that some people calling the u.s. a democracy is just them regurgitating technical language from polisci academics.

Sort of like how the technical definition of "modern" spans the period from roughly the 1750s (the start of the UK industrial revolution) through the end of WWII.
 
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"Society is produced by our wants, and government by wickedness; the former promotes our happiness positively by uniting our affections, the latter by negatively restraining our vices. The one encourages intercourse, the other creates distinctions. The first is a patron, the last a punisher. Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil."


Thomas Paine ---
 
We aren't a Republic nor a Democracy. We are an Oligarchy.

We were once a Republic, but that idea has long been trashed by those in power.
 
We aren't a Republic nor a Democracy. We are an Oligarchy.

We were once a Republic, but that idea has long been trashed by those in power.

So you are comfortable with the "elite" making decisions for you?
 
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