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ACTION ITEM: Thought Crimes Bill Now in Senate [ H.R.1955 --> S.1959 ]

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ACTION ITEM: Thought Crimes Bill Now in Senate



H.R.1955 - The Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007 is now in the Senate as S.1959:


A bill to establish the National Commission on the Prevention of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism, and for other purposes.

According to supporters, the measure will play an important role in helping government and law enforcement officials understand and prevent domestic terrorism. In a speech on the House floor advocating passage of the bill, Rep. Jane Harman (D-Calif.) -- the coauthor and initial sponsor of the measure -- warned that the next time the U.S. faces a terrorist threat, "my assumption is that many who attack us will already be here, and some will be US citizens." To prevent that attack, she said, the new "legislation will help the nation develop a better understanding of the forces that lead to homegrown terrorism, and the steps we can take to stop it."

Critics of both pieces of legislation allege that the act is a thinly veiled and dangerous attempt to criminalize dissent. Such concern is based on the bills' vague and open-ended language that, critics say, could be used by the government to trample basic rights to free speech and assembly and turn legitimate dissent into thought crimes.

Bill Status:

H.R. 1955 passed the House by a landslide vote of 404-6 on October 23, 2007 (Roll Call Vote 993). The bill has been received by the Senate and was referred to the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs.

S. 1959 was introduced by Senator Susan Collins (R-ME) on August 2, 2007. The bill was read twice and referred to the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs.

JBS Position:

The John Birch Society opposes the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007 as a terribly drafted and badly misnamed bill that is a dangerous assault on both free speech and thought. The Senate should reject the measure.

Among the many problems with this legislation are the definitions, such as these below, which could be applied to criminalize the speech of not only, for example, violent jihadists of Hezbollah, Hamas, and Al-Qaeda who advocate suicide bombing, but also to jail and/or silence American patriots who write or speak out forcefully against a host of issues abortion, gun control, police-state surveillance, illegal immigration, or the Iraq War:

(2) VIOLENT RADICALIZATION- The term 'violent radicalization' means the process of adopting or promoting an extremist belief system for the purpose of facilitating ideologically based violence to advance political, religious, or social change.

(3) HOMEGROWN TERRORISM- The term 'homegrown terrorism' means the use, planned use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a group or individual born, raised, or based and operating primarily within the United States or any possession of the United States to intimidate or coerce the United States government, the civilian population of the United States, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.

(4) IDEOLOGICALLY BASED VIOLENCE- The term 'ideologically based violence' means the use, planned use, or threatened use of force or violence by a group or individual to promote the group or individual's political, religious, or social beliefs.

In its section on key findings related to homegrown terrorism, the measure gives lip-service to constitutional rights, but also singles out the Internet and its open market for the flow of ideas and information as part of the problem. According to the measure, "The Internet has aided in facilitating violent radicalization, ideologically based violence, and the homegrown terrorism process in the United States by providing access to broad and constant streams of terrorist-related propaganda to United States citizens."

The unspoken threat implied by that passage is that the government might have to clamp down on free speech online. "At base," wrote retired Col. Dan Smith in Counterpunch, "Harman's proposal seems to be a direct attack on First Amendment rights."

ACTION NEEDED:

Contact your Senators to express your concern over this bill.


Find your Senate Representatives.

http://www.capwiz.com/jbs/dbq/officials/


SAMPLE LETTER:

H.R. 1955 (passed by the House on October 23, 2007) and S. 1959 are of great concern to me. If passed, the ominous language in the bill could attack my rights protected by the First Amendment. Specifically, the unspoken threat in both pieces of legislation is a passage where it is implied that the government might have to clamp down on free speech online.

The Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007 would have a substantial chilling effect on both free speech and thought. The Senate should reject H.R. 1955 and S. 1959 when they come up for a vote on the Senate floor.
 
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This kind of thing doesn't really scare me. It's just a research group. However, the FBI already has a "homegrown terrorism" department. This is a huge waste of taxpayer funds.
 
Sent emails to both NC Senators a couple months ago when the House passed it.

It's not just a research group. Its written so vaguely that anything can be called "terrorism".
 
Today's federal government would have already thrown the founding fathers in guantanamo.

Sincerely,

Slutter McGee
 
Just the fact this bill even EXISTS makes my blood BOIL as an American. Is anyone else as PISSED OFF and OUTRAGED as I am at this bill? What just adds salt to the wound is how it was nearly unanimously passed in the house. Scary times we live in indeed. Is there anyone besides the Dr. and possibly a few other outspoken critics in the government that represent WE the people anymore? Seriously, are we all alone?
 
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(4) IDEOLOGICALLY BASED VIOLENCE- The term 'ideologically based violence' means the use, planned use, or threatened use of force or violence by a group or individual to promote the group or individual's political, religious, or social beliefs.


Ummmm, being they don't define "violence" and include the "planned use" of force or violence, it sounds like many people in this forum and many Ron Paul supporters (including Ron Paul himself) could be headed to FEMA camps. I wonder if they have Internet Access.
 
I'm really surprised (and concerned) that there hasn't been more forum discussion on this bill. For those in doubt that it is a very SERIOUS threat to Liberty, there is a great article in Republic Magazine Issue #3 (Taking Back the Media) entitled “Constitutional Red Alert: House Passes Thought Crime Prevention Bill” which outlines the dangers of this legislation. (And for those of you who may be wondering if I’m a “planted advertiser” for the magazine – I’m not! Just a loyal subscriber who happens to have learned a LOT from its pages!)

Anyway, the article can be read online here: http://www.republicmagazine.com/view-magazines/2.html (pages 25-27)

As stated, the House has already PASSED its version of the bill. It has not yet been scheduled for debate in the Senate, so there is STILL TIME to stop it. I’m not entirely convinced that simply e-mailing our Senators is going to be enough, either. At the very least, we need to snail mail thoughtful letters to both our State Senators AND the members of the Committee to which it has been assigned, the Federal Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs.

Following is a list of the Senators on the Committee, which can be accessed here: http://hsgac.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?Fuseaction=About.Membership

From here you can click each individual member’s name, where you will be taken to their personal Senate page. Most of the individual Senate pages have a ‘Contact Me’ or ‘Contact Info’ link where you can access their office addresses. (It’s always handy to have a database of these for future reference – mine is ever-expanding and does not yet contain all of the following Senators’ addresses; otherwise I’d be happy to list them all for you.)

Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee Members
1. Chairman Senator Joseph Lieberman (CT)
2. Ranking Member Senator Susan Collins (ME)
3. Senator Daniel Akaka (HI)
4. Senator Thomas Carper (DE)
5. Senator Thomas Coburn (OK)
6. Senator Norm Coleman (MN)
7. Senator Pete Domenici (NM)
8. Senator Mary Landrieu (LA)
9. Senator Carl Levin (MI)
10. Senator Claire McCaskill (MO)
11. Senator Barack Obama (IL)
12. Senator Mark Pryor (AR)
13. Senator Ted Stevens (AK)
14. Senator John Sununu (NH)
15. Senator Jon Tester (MT)
16. Senator George Voinovich (OH)
17. Senator John Warner (VA)

Hope that's helpful. I invite and encourage further discussion on this legislation as well as other strategies in which to combat it. It really is an outrageous bill which seriously threatens EVERY one of us (here especially!)
 
HSGA Committee addresses

Well, I finished looking up all the Committee members' addresses (& phone & fax numbers), so I thought I'd save someone else the trouble.

Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs

Chairman:
1. Senator Joseph Lieberman
706 Hart Office Building
Washington, DC 20510
(202) 224-4041 Voice
(202) 224-9750 Fax

Ranking member:
2. Senator Susan Collins
413 Dirksen Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510
Main: (202) 224-2523
Fax: (202) 224-2693

3. Senator Daniel Akaka
141 Hart Senate Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20510
Tel: (202) 224-6361
Fax: (202) 224-2126

4. Senator Thomas Carper
United States Senate
513 Hart Building
Washington, DC 20510
Phone: (202) 224-2441
Fax: (202) 228-2190

5. Senator Thomas Coburn
172 Russell Senate Office Bldg.
Washington, DC 20510
Main: 202-224-5754
Fax: 202-224-6008

6. Senator Norm Coleman
320 Senate Hart Office Building
Washington, DC 20510
Main: 202-224-5641
Fax: 202-224-1152

7. Senator Pete Domenici
328 Hart Office Building
Washington, DC 20510
(202) 224-6621
(202) 228-3261 Fax

8. Senator Mary Landrieu
724 Hart Senate Building
United States Senate
Washington, DC 20510
Phone: 202-224-5824
Fax: 202-224-9735

9. Senator Carl Levin
269 Russell Office Building
U.S. Senate
Washington, DC 20510-2202
Phone (202) 224-6221
Fax (202) 224-1388

10. Senator Claire McCaskill
United States Senate
Hart Senate Office Building, SH-717
Washington, D.C. 20510
(202) 224-6154
FAX (202) 228-6326

11. Senator Barack Obama
SDB 40B Dirksen Senate Office Building
(temporary location until April 19th)
Washington, D.C. 20510
(202) 224-2854
(202) 228-4260 fax

12. Senator Mark Pryor
255 Dirksen Senate Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20510
Phone: (202) 224-2353
Fax: (202) 228-0908

13. Senator Ted Stevens
522 Hart Senate Office
Building
Washington, DC 20510
Phone: (202) 224-3004
Fax: (202) 224-2354

14. Senator John Sununu
111 Russell Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510
(202) 224-2841
FAX (202) 228-4131

15. Senator Jon Tester
204 Russell Senate Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20510-2604
(202) 224-2644
(202) 224-8594 (fax)

16. Senator George Voinovich
524 Hart Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510
Main: (202) 224-3353

17. Senator John Warner
225 Senate Russell Building
Washington, DC 20510
Main: (202) 224-2023
Fax: (202) 224-6295
 
any more news on this? Any idea when this will be scheduled for debate? We we thinking 2 weeks or 2 months?
 
Today's federal government would have already thrown the founding fathers in guantanamo.

I need to order a coffee mug with that line...

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Ummmm, being they don't define "violence" and include the "planned use" of force or violence, it sounds like many people in this forum and many Ron Paul supporters (including Ron Paul himself) could be headed to FEMA camps. I wonder if they have Internet Access.

Just to make you aware, the planned use of force or violence can already get you thrown in jail.
 
honestly i dont want to sound like a downer but i feel its impossible to do anything about this....look at the patriot act....or habeas corpus (i think i spelled it ok)....i would have never in my life thought things like that would come to pass in our gov...it doesnt surprise me that now they want to jail us for "thought crimes" its bullshit....excuse my language...im so pissed off......the only way to win back our country is to take back the gov....i hope it would happen before we are destroyed......i wish we could sue all the mother**** in gov who have been phucking us for far too long....throw them in jail....use their fema camps on them see how they like it
 
i have reviewed this bill over and over and no where in the bill does it give anyone the right to perform action upon any citizen...

it is a study on how homegrown terrorism forms and acts... nothing more...

let them learn.
 
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