a way to get the women onboard.

[BarryDonegan]

we need someone to make a commercial showing Dr. Paul's history as an ob/gyn, highlighting his time spent creating human beings.

if you have something to the effect of "dr. paul cares so much about women's health that he spent his entire professional life devoted to their care" that would be a lot stronger appeal to women than any of the lifetime and oprah pandering other candidates would do. he was elbows deep in women's issue's only he and the ladies even have any knowledge of.
i notice a real shortage of the ladies in his demo, and he is an OB/GYN for gawsakes.

 

[Corydoras]

I agree with your idea.

One of the reasons I put up the baby-pic poll was because I noticed how in a couple of other threads, several women (as well as a man or two) were commenting about how good Ron Paul looks when he's dealing with babies and children. What struck me was how little participation this poll got.

http://ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=22975

 

[jjschless]

All we really need is lots of different pictures of Dr. Paul with babies and kids. Make up a warm and fuzzy youtube video and such.

 

[BarryDonegan]

this is a critically missing demographic. seriously, he's an ob/gyn, that is an automatic trump card to any debate. any female republican or female pro-life candidate should be easy to push in his way once they really get a feel for that. a lot of women go where the women's issues are; he definately has REAL experience dealing personally with women's health issues.

ironically we probably don't get a lot of focus on promoting in that way because a good lot of us are men and are more drawn to certain issues, but if we could target women well enough to get some moving autonomously, pushing those interests that would really help

 

[txgirl]

There ARE alot of women on board... but the more the merrier!

I am doing what I can to get more women involved and on board, but unfortunately, it seems that many women still do not like to form their own opinions or voice them.

Let this be an effort and a test... LADIES, reply to this and voice your opinion on this matter, and let's turn this mother out!

Let us make a combined effort and plan of action to get the word out to other, or potential PATRIOT women!

 

[BarryDonegan]

well i was noticing at the nashville rally, for example, that the gross majority of women we're there obviously next to a male partner, seemed mostly like girlfriends and wives, and i dont think ive seen ANYONE bring up ron paul's connection to the interests of women and promote that. he is not really promoted in a way which is directly attractive to women.

more women are single than not in america now, and its important to reach those women as well, and i think a direct appeal to them would work. women respond to a direct appeal, moreso than men. i think men tend to fall into "principle of the matter" faster whereas women like to feel as though they are being directly taken into consideration. we need to be more sympathetic of that.

 

[Bossobass]

I've mentioned this before, and I should be doing more to help this part of the campaign. The following are comments from a Zogby poll that was done very early in the campaign:

Gender Gap Favors Ron Paul in Zogby Poll

Although libertarianism is overwhelmingly a male enterprise, Ron Paul is a hit (relatively speaking) among women. Despite the near complete black-out of his campaign by the MSM, he is up to 3 percent nationally and has 6 percent among women (tied with Fred Thompson):
In the Republican race, Giuliani holds big leads among both men and women, but women are much more on the fence. Among men, he leads with 33%, followed by McCain with 17%, Thompson with 12%, Romney with 9%, and 19% unsure. Among women, Giuliani wins 22%, while McCain wins 9%, Romney wins 8%, and Thompson and Ron Paul win 6% each. Fully 38% of Republican women are undecided on who they would support for their party’s nomination.

Definitely something we should be working on.

Bosso

 

[Pete]

I agree with your idea.

One of the reasons I put up the baby-pic poll was because I noticed how in a couple of other threads, several women (as well as a man or two) were commenting about how good Ron Paul looks when he's dealing with babies and children. What struck me was how little participation this poll got.

http://ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=22975

That was a good thread, with nice pictures. I stood back to let the ladies respond.

 

[Thunderbolt]

There ARE alot of women on board... but the more the merrier!

I am doing what I can to get more women involved and on board, but unfortunately, it seems that many women still do not like to form their own opinions or voice them.

Let this be an effort and a test... LADIES, reply to this and voice your opinion on this matter, and let's turn this mother out!

Let us make a combined effort and plan of action to get the word out to other, or potential PATRIOT women!

All women have strong opinions! Don't be ridiculous. Not all women care about politics. They see it as something that they can't affect, it takes up energy and why bother. One way to get women on board is with the tax free tips act issue. More female servers than male in my estimation. Women care about issues that affect them, personally.

 

[txgirl]

Ron Paul and his campaign have "eye catching", and informative information out there... tell your wives, girlfriends, sisters, mothers, whomever... to take this to work and place it in areas that others will see, pick up and read...like the lobby, waiting room, atrium, breakroom, or even the bathroom!

I took one of Dr. Paul's letters to work and placed it where all the ladies sit and read on their breaks. I KNEW that since it appeared hand written, a lady would pick it up and read it, even if she had zero knowledge on Dr. Paul.

This tactic will work with other forms of material too, ... you just have to give people the resources to inform themselves... both men and women have become very lazy over the years due to cable television and such, if we must "spoon feed" them to get the point accross, then let's do it!

I feel the cause is worth it.

 

[txgirl]

All women have strong opinions! Don't be ridiculous. Not all women care about politics. They see it as something that they can't affect, it takes up energy and why bother. One way to get women on board is with the tax free tips act issue. More female servers than male in my estimation. Women care about issues that affect them, personally.

+1 Thunderbolt

 

[Hope]

I don't think playing up his time as an obstetrician is the absolute best way to go.

One, because really, there just isn't any substance there. He delivered babies. So what? Do you really have that low of an opinion of women that just mentioning BAYBAYZ! will win them over? Uh, no.

Secondly, when you mention that he's an obstetrician/gynecologist, what's the first question that will pop into people's minds? That's right. Abortion. It's the moderates and undecideds that we need to win over, and from all the statistics I've seen, the majority of those women are pro-choice. "Well, he doesn't want to BAN abortion federally," you're probably saying right now. But people don't get that. Most pro-choice people will be wary of electing anyone who is "personally pro-life" and most pro-choice people will not like the idea of a whole block of states (the South, etc.) getting to ban abortion. When talking to the conservative Republican base, his position is a plus. But for the demographic I think we're after -- the women who haven't registered or voted recently, the women who aren't 100% sure who's even running right now, much less who they will vote for -- we need something that isn't so controversial.

"Yeah...so? What other issue is there that women might be interested in more than men?" Ironically, the war. Women are statistically against the war more than men. We need to push that. "He wants to bring the troops home, take care of our veterans, keep our defense strong and not leave our men and women in service stranded in bases all around the world. In fact, Ron Paul has received more contributions from the military for his foreign policy than any other candidate."

Another big issue, but slightly less effective, which women have a vested interest in is the state of our health care. "Ron Paul's been a doctor for almost fifty years, and he really wants to work to getting our health care system back to the more personal, affordable system it used to be. He wants alternative medicine to be available to all Americans, and he wants the safe and effective technologies Europeans have been using for years that we haven't because of corporations and beauocratic red tape to be fully accessible here in America."

Finally, it can't be ignored that most people who work in the tip industry by which Ron Paul's legislation will make tax exempt are women. It's at about 80% for waiters alone, and that's not counting hairdressers and the like. Spreading the word about that legislation can make a huge difference to women who specifically work in that field or women whose mothers, aunts, sisters, etc. work in the tipped industry.

The other issues I try to bring up depending on who the demographic of the woman I'm talking to are Social Security, homeschooling, and the legalization of drugs.

I do think there are considerably less female Ron Paul supporters than men. Part of that is just because less women are interested in politics and don't vote, and for those who do, until now Ron Paul was less visible than the other candidates. I don't think commercials or sound bytes are enough to get more female supporters, however -- we need to be out there talking to people and connecting with them.

 

[BarryDonegan]

women vote where the respect for them goes. don't let people fool you, they have ruled the western world for many centuries, behind the scenes.

i think it's just the respect and attention that wins their vote. less than the issues itself. thus is the complex nature of women.

 

[BarryDonegan]

I don't think playing up his time as an obstetrician is the absolute best way to go.

One, because really, there just isn't any substance there. He delivered babies. So what? Do you really have that low of an opinion of women that just mentioning BAYBAYZ! will win them over? Uh, no.

i disagree with you here, i think his personal direct first-hand knowledge of women's health issues, by being a WOMEN's health advocate and doctor would definately be substantiative to women.

its not a low opinion of women to think that mentioning babies will win them over. women have babies, its a very disruptive extreme process that is arguably one of the most respected, complex, and important processes any human can do.

in fact, academic feminism's charge that marriage, the family, and reproduction is slavery to women is the reason why most women NO LONGER call themselves feminist. I don't see how attention to reproductive issues is disrespectful to women... most of them do it, and its not something you just swing by the doctor and do.

it seems more like someone building a car inside your body and driving it out.

Part of that is just because less women are interested in politics and don't vote, and for those who do, until now Ron Paul was less visible than the other candidates

^--------that would be the low opinion of women you were talking about

(just messin with ya)

 

[Hope]

women vote where the respect for them goes. don't let people fool you, they have ruled the western world for many centuries, behind the scenes.

i think it's just the respect and attention that wins their vote. less than the issues itself. thus is the complex nature of women.

Oh, you mean pandering. I hope I never see the day where Ron Paul panders to *any* collective group, women included.

 

[SlapItHigh]

we need someone to make a commercial showing Dr. Paul's history as an ob/gyn, highlighting his time spent creating human beings.

Newsflash - OBs don't "create" human beings unless they are conceiving with their partner and even then, the woman does most of the creation. Your words play into the fundamental problem with your suggestion. The OB profession is one that takes power away from women and replaces it with negative outcomes. Women don't need OBs to "deliver" their babies. Women deliver their own babies unless they allow an OB to take that power from them.

This discussion has come up before here so I'll try not to rehash it too much but let me tell you that www.mothering.com has 90,000 women as members of their forums and the fact that Ron Paul is an OBGYN was the *first* thing used against him. Check up on the history of obstetrics - it isn't good.

 

[Corydoras]

This discussion has come up before here

Do you have any links? There are too many threads that come up when the word "obstetrician" is searched by itself.

 

[BarryDonegan]

do you really think the great majority of women feel that an ob/gyn doctor is intentionally trying to steal reproduction from women? i really have not heard that.

and pandering has a facetious element to it, simply showing someone you care isn't pandering. pandering is what Romney does to Pro-lifers... all Paul has to do is say, hey, i am involved in women's health issues.

you have to realize, ob/gyn doctors do not only give birth to healthy babies in healthy pregnancies, they also deal with emergency ones that can have fatal outcomes, or women who are dealing with serious health problems.

and, obviously i know that an ob dr. doesn't "create" babies, that's my sense of humor

 

[ladyjade3]

deleted. sorry.

 

[Hope]

i disagree with you here, i think his personal direct first-hand knowledge of women's health issues, by being a WOMEN's health advocate and doctor would definately be substantiative to women.

its not a low opinion of women to think that mentioning babies will win them over. women have babies, its a very disruptive extreme process that is arguably one of the most respected, complex, and important processes any human can do.

in fact, academic feminism's charge that marriage, the family, and reproduction is slavery to women is the reason why most women NO LONGER call themselves feminist. I don't see how attention to reproductive issues is disrespectful to women... most of them do it, and its not something you just swing by the doctor and do.

They won't care if he's an ob/gyn if he's against abortion -- that will in fact heighten what strong feelings they have because they feel he is standing in the way of a woman's choice to have an abortion.

Women give birth to babies. That doesn't mean them seeing a picture of the man holding a baby will make them vote for him.

You aren't going to win friends here of the female persuasion with that kind of misinformation. Andrea Dworkin is NOT the only face of feminism and the only one who's repeating your claim about feminism is Ann Coulter. Gimme a break. (There are a lot of valid criticisms that can be made of various arms of the feminist movement, but that they hate the family unit is not among them.)

It isn't bringing "attention to reproductive issues" -- it's playing on shallow stereotypes. Look, gals! It's a baaaaaaby. How can you not vote for the man with a baaaaaaby? He's delivered four thoooooousand baaaaaaybies. Isn't that precious?

^--------that would be the low opinion of women you were talking about

I know you're just being silly but I want to point out that it's a statistical fact that women, especially women under the age of thirty, do not vote. We have to work to change that!