A radical US shift in US policy on Israel post 9/11?

[Liberty Star]

Since 9/11, there has been much talk of excessive and unhealthy influence of so called Israeli lobby on US foreign policy, politicians, media etc and not all of it is unwarranted. But no one is talking about a radical shift that seems to be taking place in last few years in US policy towards Israel and its occupation of arab land. I'm no fan of brutal and open-ended Israeli of oppression of Palestinians but to be fair we should also take note how lately US has been quietly and steadily tightening the screws on Israel to appease arabs. Pressure brought upon Israeli hardline war veteran and then PM Sharon by W Bush while forcing Gaza withdrawal was the likely reason that sent Sharon to comma and marked a new chapter in US-Israel relations.

US has also been directly/indirectly enabling Iran/Iraq/Hezbullah alliance that is sworn enemy of Israel (which may not be a hard qualification to get for any country/group in mideast). Just today Obama declared that Iran has right to build nuke facilities for electricity. It was also reported today that Iranians will be invited to 4th of July celebrations this year. I just saw following article in Pravda that suggests US is working to destroy Israel by proxy! Israeli occupation regime as it stands today never had a chance of survival but is the Israeli state itself under threat now from US?

Do you agree that there has been radical shift in US Israel policy post 9/11?

How credible you find view in this Pravda opinion piece?


It's a lengthy article that touches on range of issues in an interesting style, some excerpts are quoted below:

How the US may destroy Israel? - By proxy!

Front page / Opinion / Columnists
08.05.2009 Source: Pravda.Ru

by Hans Vogel

The tension between national sovereignty and the forces of globalization is becoming ever more acute. The US, as the main champion of globalization, however, is at the same time the champion of the most extreme form of nationalism, namely imperialism. In fact, Israel’s worst enemy is the very nation posing as its best friend. This means that Israel’s days are numbered.

Since it replaced France as Israel’s major ally in 1968, the US has become its closest foreign friend. It was Charles de Gaulle, however, who once remarked that France did not have friends, just interests. Thousands of years of history prove him right: nations may change their “friends,” but their interests remain the same. It is Israel’s prime concern to ensure its own survival, whereas the US will want to carry on globalization at an accelerated pace. Inevitably therefore, US-Israeli friendship must one day come to an end.


Since the US is the main proponent of globalism and universalism, it will eventually have to clash with Israel. That final showdown may not be as far off as we think. Since the conquest of Iraq in 2003, the US is firmly established and entrenched in the Middle East. It has become the strongest military power in the Middle East through its new Iraqi colony. Inevitably, its interests will collide with those of the two other local military powers, Israel and Iran. In order for the US to secure its colony and the control of local petroleum sources, it will need to keep the Arabs quiet. The best way to do so is to get rid of what Arabs hate most: the state of Israel.

Unconditional US support for Israel, repeatedly reaffirmed by all who come power in the US, is puzzling indeed. Israel has been perfectly able to defend itself in the past, and with its determination and nuclear arsenal it will be able to continue to do so in the future. The US has an impressive record of saving countries by destroying them. US commitment to the defence of Vietnam has crippled that country while today’s average Iraqi will be less than grateful to the US for “liberating” his country. What is the US really aiming at? The destruction of Israel? US official guarantees to Israel rather sound like a kiss of death. The US does not want rivals in the Middle East, certainly none with an agenda of their own. It is in the US national interest to take out these rivals as soon as possible.

Come to think of it, what better way in this respect for the US than to foment Israeli-Iranian animosity? The US may strike Iranian nuclear installations, but what will happen next? Who do you think the Iranians will focus their revenge on when attacked by the US? And who do you think Israel will fire its nuclear warheads at?

The new Israeli administration, led by hardliners, has now taken the lead in advocating tough treatment of Iran in order to persuade it to halt its nuclear program. The air is abuzz with rumors about Israeli plans to go it alone and attack Iran just by itself. If Israel were to attack Iran, the results would be terrible and it would expose Israel to Iranian reprisals. Indeed, Israel may well take out a big chunk of Iran's military potential, but in doing so, it would invite Iran to try answer in kind.

The latest sounds from Washington seem to suggest that the Obama administration wants Israel to tone down and abandon its aggressive rhetoric vis-à-vis Iran. However, prime minister Netanyahu does not appear to be a man to heed such advice. On the contrary, he may be pushed to do exactly what he is threatening to do: make sure Iran does not get a nuclear bomb.

I am afraid there seems to be little chance a violent clash between Israel and Iran can be avoided. Such a clash will probably eliminate both Israel and Iran from the Middle Eastern chess board. Indeed, it would be a strategic masterstroke for the US to eliminate its major military rivals in the Middle East by setting them up to destroy each other.

http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/107520-0/

 

[Liberty Star]

Links to cited news:

U.S. to invite Iranians to July 4th parties

By Barbara Slavin | Tuesday, June 2, 2009

U.S. embassies and consulates around the world may invite Iranian diplomats to Fourth of July parties as part of the Obama administration's outreach to a long-time foe, a State Department official said Tuesday.

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jun/02/us-to-invite-iranians-to-july-4th-parties/

Obama says Iran's energy concerns legitimate

By NANCY ZUCKERBROD
The Associated Press
Tuesday, June 2, 2009 3:40 PM



LONDON -- President Barack Obama reiterated that Iran may have some right to nuclear energy _ provided it takes steps to prove its aspirations are peaceful.

In a BBC interview broadcast Tuesday, Obama also restated plans to pursue direct diplomacy with Tehran to encourage it to set aside any ambitions for nuclear weapons it might harbor.

Iran has insisted its nuclear program is aimed at generating electricity. But the U.S. and other Western governments accuse Tehran of seeking atomic weapons.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/02/AR2009060200947_pf.html

 

[dannno]

whooaa...

So ya, whenever somebody brings up the whole Bible says to protect Israel thing, I always say the best way to protect Israel is to let them do their own thing, because whatever we are doing is just making it worse for them.

 

[Liberty Star]

whooaa...

So ya, whenever somebody brings up the whole Bible says to protect Israel thing, I always say the best way to protect Israel is to let them do their own thing, because whatever we are doing is just making it worse for them.

Bible? Which version, there are various versions of Bible.
Some scripture verses can be interpreted to say that we are bound by God to support Iraq, Iran at this time because they don't allow "gay marriage" or on some other ground.. or based on what is under the ground - oil.

23/04/2007

U.S. had emergency plan for attacking Israel in 1967

By Amir Oren, Haaretz Correspondent

For some time, the United States had had an emergency plan to attack Israel, a plan updated just prior to the 1967 war, aimed at preventing Israel from expanding westward, into Sinai, or eastward, into the West Bank.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/851708.html

 

[dannno]

Bible? Which version, there are various versions of Bible.
Some scripture verses can be interpreted to say that we are bound by God to support Iraq, Iran at this time because they don't allow "gay marriage" or on some other ground.. or based on what is under the ground - oil.

I'm not sure which version they get that they are supposed to protect Israel, but this is something I found pretty interesting:

John Taylor, third president of the LDS Church: “When the people shall have torn to shreds the Constitution of the United States, the elders of Israel will be found holding it up to the nations of the earth, and proclaiming liberty and equal rights to all men, and extending the hand of fellowship to the oppressed of all nations.” (The Gospel Kingdom, Deseret Book Co., 1943, p. 219.)


I asked my Mom who is very active in the church what the Elders of Israel meant, and she said it means the Priesthood.. so that means the Bible could potentially be talking about something completely different from a nation, and could be saying that we need to protect the Priesthood, which is essentially man's formal ties to God.

 

[Liberty Star]

I'm not sure which version they get that they are supposed to protect Israel, but this is something I found pretty interesting:

John Taylor, third president of the LDS Church: “When the people shall have torn to shreds the Constitution of the United States, the elders of Israel will be found holding it up to the nations of the earth, and proclaiming liberty and equal rights to all men, and extending the hand of fellowship to the oppressed of all nations.” (The Gospel Kingdom, Deseret Book Co., 1943, p. 219.)


I asked my Mom who is very active in the church what the Elders of Israel meant, and she said it means the Priesthood.. so that means the Bible could potentially be talking about something completely different from a nation, and could be saying that we need to protect the Priesthood, which is essentially man's formal ties to God.

That sounds more plausible than what pro elective violence groups like CUFI suggest - God has ordered has to give bombs and tax dollars to Israel because they are the chosen people... oh and and the way, the "chosen people" will go to hell because they don't belive in the Messia. There are many absurdities in human life, religion has a good chunk of them.


But point I was trying to make above was that "Obama" was not the only "change" in town, our interpretaions of Bible "change" with times also and quite regularly.

 

[Liberty Star]

International news give interesting perspective that is never provided by are crappy media. Dems are living up to their name as "party of Israel" :

02/06/2009
U.S. demands Israel halt construction in East Jerusalem market

By Akiva Eldar

Washington is furious over the Interior Ministry's anticipated approval of a plan to build a new hotel in East Jerusalem, just 100 meters from the Old City's walls. The plan, which would see the demolition of a wholesale market and kindergarten, is slated to be approved today.

Democrats to Obama: Ease pressure on Israel

Democrats express concern over Obama administration's pressure on Jewish State

Yitzhak Benhorin Published: 06.03.09

WASHINGTON – As Barack Obama prepares for his trip to Saudi Arabia and Egypt, Democratic Congress members are expressing concern over the pressure exerted by the president on Israel, the Politics website reported.

According to the report, the Congress members asked Obama to moderate his pressure on the settlement freeze issue.

Yesha Council: US using political terror against Israel

Settler leaders denounce Washington pressure over construction in West Bank. 'Obama doesn't understand that this is a democracy, it seems that he regret's Truman's recognition of Israel's independence'

Efrat Weiss Published: 06.02.09

Settler leaders launched a harsh tirade against the Obama administration on Monday following the increased US pressure on Israel over the dismantling of illegal outposts and freezing of construction in the settlements.

"The Americans are employing political terrorism against the State of Israel," Yesha Council Chairman

Danny Dayan said. "Not only is the Obama administration renouncing the commitments made by President George W. Bush in April 2004 – it's looking as if they regret President Truman's decision on May 14th 1948 to recognize Israel's independence."

The council's director-general, Pinchas Wallerstein, said that Obama views the Israeli leadership as a banana republic. "He doesn't understand that this is a democracy too," he said.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3724888,00.html

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3725366,00.html

 

[Liberty Star]

This French news clip shows the settlement buildings that US is "furious" about. Obama could be setting up ground for hard spanking of Israel:

YouTube - Israel rejects US calls for settlement freeze

 

[revolutionisnow]

Its just a PR move. What do you think the world would say if Obama openly cheered during the latest Gaza conflict, and told them sure, go ahead and bulldoze those houses, evict those people, and move your people in. Nobody does anything about their endless list of UN violations, the fact that they are an apartheid state, etc. All these adventures in the middle east are for them. After we get done invading and leaving the various countries in chaos and with puppet regimes, Israel will be the only power left in the region.

 

[Sandman33]

Its just a PR move. What do you think the world would say if Obama openly cheered during the latest Gaza conflict, and told them sure, go ahead and bulldoze those houses, evict those people, and move your people in. Nobody does anything about their endless list of UN violations, the fact that they are an apartheid state, etc. All these adventures in the middle east are for them. After we get done invading and leaving the various countries in chaos and with puppet regimes, Israel will be the only power left in the region.

WORD

Israel OWNS this country and completely controlls it. So I don't want to hear bullshit about the U.S. ending Israel.

Who controlls our puppet government right now? - The FED
Who OWNS the fed? - Jewish Bankers that literally created Israel after WW2
Who RUNS the fed? Jews, Bernake, Greenspan, etc.

If the Fed is controlling our government, and the fed is ran by Zionist Jews with allegences to Israel. Then ultimately Israel is the talking head behind our shadow government.

It's no coincidence that we have given Isreal SO many weapons and aid that they in turn use to beat the shit out of their neighbors......and now WE'RE over there beating the shit out of their neighbors FOR them....looking for the Boogey man Bin Laden.

 

[Cowlesy]

Brilliant move by the Obama Administration.

Look, you don't launch a surprise attack on a nation like Iran by beating drums saying "WE'RE READY TO DO IT. GET READY".

No, you lull them into a false sense of security. Make it look like you have Israel all furious and in knots. Make it look like there is a break in policy and confusion in the senior levels of Administration.

Iran exhales a sigh of relief, and THAT'S when our joint strike force is going to attack.

It seems almost too easy to read between the lines on this one. If you want to launch a sneak attack, you make the enemy feel safe right before you do it.

Clock is ticking on an Iranian strike.

 

[revolutionisnow]

U.S. military shipped containers of munitions to Israel before latest Gaza conflict
http://takeaction.amnestyusa.org/siteapps/advocacy/ActionItem.aspx?c=jhKPIXPCIoE&b=2590179&aid=11787